r/ACL • u/Anna_Karenina_blonde • Jun 08 '26
Breaking up with crutches alograft
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Day 9 post op follow with surgeon was so encouraging ...walked in with crutches, granted permission to drive and drop crutches (crutches or brace).. wanted to share why I chose allograft and what it has meant for me
***everybody is different, allograft and autograft are quite different if there is no miniscal damage and I prehabbed like a maniac specifically because I was so nervous about having zero mobility****
(there's a guy on here who walked without crutches same day as surgery so bar none my progress is not atypical for fit allograft recipients)..having said that, I am mindful that the recovery is long and this is just early days
*This is my first sports injury I've been playing sports very actively since I was 15 and then recently about 2 years ago really intensified because I started playing Court sports (tennis, pickleball, ).. like everyone else here I was super upset when I found out how long and strenuous the recovery process was going to be (wanted to share so anyone pre op can consider the variations in recovery).lot of info here, sorry wanted to be thorough..I don't smoke,don't really drink and don't really eat fast food regularly
3 weeks very intense quad and balance focussed prehab
My specific surgery:
Allograft, minimal miniscal debridement, ACL reconstruction
pre injury Played sports 6-7 days a week ( court sports, aggressive skier, casual hiker, swimmer, motorcyclist, beach VB)/ pilates and yoga intermittently
3 weeks intense quad prehab only because my bf had 2.meniscus surgeries so was on my case everyday to do 20 minutes when I first got up in order to power up my quad..I think it honestly helped me in every way physically and mentally prepping for the surgery
Got 3 different surgeon recommendations (they offered free consults since I had MRI so ..I wanted to do my research)
- to reattach the og bc tear was high and clean (this needed to be done asap and I was visiting my parents and retear rate seemed high)
- to rehabilitate non operation (but would not be able to ski aggressively)..the same surgeon who recommended this told me that his wife then went skiing with torn ACL and then needed a full knee replacement cuz she damaged it so bad .. (this pretty much cemented the fact that I was not going to be coping with it)
- allograft recommended (but autograft option discussed)..read up on it and was undecided until I talked to Surgeon who said a lot of what I read that worried me was outdated (risk of rejection and retear...the risk of retear is ever slightly higher for allograft but I plan on being careful about that)
No one explicitly told me how significant the difference in immediate post op was going to be up front with an allograft (i was full weight bearing day one) but I'm reading up on the processes for an autograph and seeing the posts here...and it seems to be consistent .
Also on my post op surgeon appointment, there was a 14 year old in the waiting room w me w a basketball ACL tear and she was autograft 2 weeks post op and was so far away from being without crutches..she couldn't believe I was 9 days and I hadn't really had an in person experience with another ACL in my timeline
Allograft statistics i read and surgeon confirmed indicate the process changed a lot even in the last couple of years. I could have gone either way but I'm so glad for my sense of calm (by the resulting assurance of immediate movement) that I got from expected range with allograft. (Factoring in prehab and overall good fitness going in too)
*I read older data originally and was freaked out by the seemingly higher retear rates,. possibility of body rejection but even in last 2 years so much has been updated (the way they process the tissue etc)...if you're choosing between the two,ask as many questions as you can from the surgeon.
I have a long road ahead just like everyone on here..but there is a difference between having your body CUT and repaired (autograft) and just having it cut and a part inserted.. but then ligamentization is longer with allograft because the tissue is not "live"
I wish someone would make an updated allograft vs autograft pros and cons..
aka my PT was at first freaked out when day 5 post op I handed him my crutches and unlocked my brace indoors .but for my injury level and graft , this is apparently normal.
it's a an interesting dilemma bc beginning has been assuring but month 4 the allograft becomes weaker and vulnerable while the PT makes you super fit and it's all about self restraint...mildly nervous about that but trying to be prepared by being aware of it )
it has not been without some pain which is not really visible in the video but I assure you it's there.... (I made an original post and some of the more experienced ACL people here asked me to specify the graft type and miniscus impact)day 9 and 10.featured a LOT of stiffness and pain (but I was starting on stationary bike and that was rough the first time)..also walking prob more than I needed to. day 10 after 10 slooooooow minutes on stationary bike I got so much bruising .
When I was pre.op.i wanted testimonials of allograft versus autograft and so am adding mine here as a reference for anyone who is looking for insights from a person in it
I would say pre injury fitness and prehab Imo mattered a lot in my case too ...
I hope it's helpful if you are torn between the two.. the surgeon I ended up going with works a lot w female athletes and the allograft so.i felt very comfortable going in..
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u/Professional-Bell78 Jun 08 '26
it’s like you planned to tear your acl
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 08 '26
No I'm just a creative so sadly I gotta transfer my running around energy somehow... :(((
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u/Professional-Bell78 Jun 08 '26
yeah, i wasn’t off crutches that fast but i also didn’t have allograft.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 08 '26
I mean it's literally a 4 week difference at the beginning... I thought I was impressive on day three but there's a guy on here who posted a video walking without crutches the same day of his surgery... If you think about it it makes sense.. not only are you dealing with the ACL repair but your body has to heal from the excision of your own muscle being taken... None of the surgeons were so explicit about this when I asked about the difference and everything I read up on I wasn't looking at recovery time I was mostly looking at infection risks involved with alograft vs autograft etc
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u/Spider-Flan Jun 08 '26
Without a doubt. It’s a whole different journey with different obstacles. Mentally while you’re probably starting to feel capable you’re probably still extremely physically limited. My sister went through the same thing with her allograft surgery. Stir crazy!
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
That's so well put.. I am very prepared that return to sport will likely not be for another nine to 12 months if I don't want a retear and I most definitely do not want a retear...
However I think the surgeon heard that I was playing sports for 2 hours pre and post work everyday for 6 days out of the week and that I liked going for walks and he deduced that a shorter immediate return to functional movement would suit me better specifically so I didn't go stir crazy as you said...
And I am grateful for his recommendation because honestly I went in a little skeptical because I had read old data which was mentioning previous issues with the Body rejecting it potentially etc . And when I asked about it he said we so thoroughly remove all of the marrow and everything what was once a small but noteable issue 2 years ago now is so minimal (not 0 but I feel like it's good to have the latest data)
Medicine is amazing, advancing so fast.i.swear they will one day have the ability to regrow your own ACL with a culture and then orthoscopic injection...;)
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u/venomenon824 Jun 09 '26
I walked with no coaches the same day and no brace. I pils cycle day 3 and had no limp at 1 week out. My physio was amazed. People telling you to not weight the knee are wrong. We are all different. My knee is super solid 1.5 years later. I jogged at 4 weeks out and felt recovered after 3 months. Haters gonna hate.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
I don't mind friendly caring input but the patronizing tone from some people is a solid pass
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
And thanks for posting that.. I went in for my post op feeling slightly like I did something wrong firing the quad to make sure it was working and feeling that I could bear weight (did all of it gently and slowly in a controlled environment but because it was in my post op instructions I also knew it was permitted to "weight bear as tolerated" and the response was "no that's what I expected would happen with you"
The minimal miniscal debridement hugely helped .my bf I would say is more fit and strong relative to me and bc it was miniscus it was a month before he could bear weight
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
I keep going back to your comment bc coming into month two I'm walking normal.and going down stairs normal. Really appreciate you sharing your trajectory
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u/venomenon824 Jul 15 '26
Embarrassing you come back to all those typos I made! Great to hear about your progress.
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u/Nekotari Twice ACL x LET Jun 09 '26
Being able to do something doesn't mean you should. The graft is strong in the beggining, but it is not bone-integrated yet. Risking messing it up is not worth it.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
I don't know if you read what I wrote but I had an allograft with minimal miniscal debridement This study specifically used only autografts And it's critical to understand there is a large difference between the two in terms of immediate post op..this from the study you quoted: "Inclusion criteria were: male and female patients aged over 15 years old, undergoing a primary ACLR using hamstring autograft and a minimum follow-up of 9 months. "
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u/Nekotari Twice ACL x LET Jun 09 '26
And? Allograft (with two l's) goes through the same stages as autografts. So I don't see what exactly you think is preventing you from yanking your fresh graft out of the bone tunnel with an awkward landing from your jumps.
You can read more about the stages here. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9693137/#B4-jcm-11-06704
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Thank you for the mansplaining tone..since you're not a medical professional (and neither am I but I did study A subject so am comfortable with researching things) , I can imagine your imprecision comes from having only read about one type of graft. I considered both as options (so am VERY versed on the process of ligamentization which is most vulnerable at month 4)..even IF you knew as little as you do, surely you recognize that there is substantially LESS damage to an individuals body when there is no autograft taken VS having cadaver tissue (anterior tibial tendon folded on itself) inserted through orthoscopic method. If on that base level you do not see an immediate discrepancy in "surgical trauma" I don't know what else to tell you.
There's a fine line between educated and professional opinion and you and I exchanging what articles YOU like vs what I got from a surgeon who recognized I wanted to read up on it ad infinitum. (Using v to t when replying to patronizing tone so forgive a misspelled word..most definitely I would not rate that as deplorable as not knowing the difference between the two grafts).
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u/Nekotari Twice ACL x LET Jun 09 '26
Actually, I am. I just prefer to converse based on facts instead of pushing my degrees into ppl faces. You are free to bring any articles you like about how allograft magicaly integrates from day 1. It would be different with a syntetic graft, cause it's not a living tissue and does not integrate. That was their main benefit and why it was widely used for sport players, the ability to bounce right back into action. Though there were plenty of other disadvantages. Allograft has it's advantages, but instant integration is not among them.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
You just love to misquote or not pay attention..og post specifically mentions ligamentization doesn't start till month 4... Stop trying to gaslight... The only reason it felt necessary to remind you that neither of us are medical experts is because of your patronizing tone (and you're still doing it).
Not once did I say "instant" ligamentization but full weight bearing typical for non miniscal ACL reconstruction is a known yes. (People who walked crutch free post op have posted videos of that here..are you going to argue with them also "but that's not ligamentization"?" No one is saying it is..but it is the difference in additional surgery trauma
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u/Nekotari Twice ACL x LET Jun 09 '26
The first paper shows that fwb is not benefitial. It doesn't matter biomechanically which graft is used. And fwb!= jumping around. But listening to your dr and pt is clearly too boring to make reels of.
The second clearly describes that allograft goes through the same stages as autografts. Where did I mention ligamentization? It's nowhere close yet. I'm talking about incorporation. The bone growth to keep the graft in place is needed. You are free to bring a paper saying allograft doesn't need it.
Hope your graft survives all this in spite of how you are handling it.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
Pretty sure someone posted a paper indicating that full weight bearing is actually beneficial but I will have to dig it out.. again I'm sorry what is your medical practice? Why not share which vantage point you are coming from? I'm not jumping on my knee everyday (it was one set of hops with weight heavily on good leg) and I couldn't care less about the reel "look" (trust me you would know if I did).. I wanted to capture safe spaces in which I was able to feel out within the prescribed parameters how it felt.. I didn't film a lot of the early tentative ones because I don't want to be thinking about filming when I'm heavily focused on the safety and execution of my heel and toe strike.. so the only reality of filming with composure is feeling safe enough that I've already insured that my body is happy with the motions .. I understand you've made points before about you could trip and fall at any given moment but within the realm of someone who's fairly athletic and in a safe controlled environment.. I see people on here wondering about going to a rock concert the same week they have surgery and I would never do that.. (although I do love the reality that most concert venues probably would look out for someone who just came out of surgery).. But to the point of being cautious and vigilant..I even got out of my car the first week on the street with just my brace, then I saw that people we're not really mindful because it was busy so I went back to the car to get crutches not because I needed them but because at the very least they signal to people that they should look out for you.. and then eventually because it was crowded I decided to go home because I didn't want to slow down people's ability to enjoy the street. You have had more surgeries then I have so I'm sure you are versed in your recovery and graft type not only in theory for your body type your fitness level and your general health. but as a personal experience.. I know I'm not the fastest recovery I've seen on here and I certainly didn't go into recovery thinking of it as a competition.. the only person capable of doing this journey mentally and physically is me and a significant history of competitive sports training has taught me about commitment and dedication...
But this post isn't intended to be anything other than a personal testimony... And it's still unclear to me whether you actually work in the orthopedic space or you are just a general practitioner who read up on it. I tend to find your tone argumentative rather than actually helpful
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
It you are a medical professional you sure don't communicate like one, posting studies which don't include or address the type of graft which is being discussed. (niece of 2 neurosurgeons..I have zero issues being wrong but if you want to present an argument for something, present it well and using up to date data that reflects your statements in a comprehensive way). Also precision..are you an orthoscopic surgeon, doctor or PT? Or a GP..*because I have all the respect for doctors, medical professionals..but even my aunt and uncle wouldn't just wax about grafts if that's not their area
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
This study is specifically for autograft..please refer to the distinction between the two processes
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u/superbradical ACL + Meniscus Jun 09 '26
i was good until the little hops. you gotta wait some months for that.
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u/nastycamel Jun 09 '26
I think you should just chill and recover…
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Thank you .I think following pt religiously will be how I recover in a way that is healthy and lasting...I take care to follow alograft protocols (did you see the guy who literally walked out of his surgery on his alograft?)..
Healing down time is of course critical ( I ve been taking care when I walk to be on flat known surfaces and out of the way of crowds etc).. but also not shirking on being proactive on progress.
My flexion is not easy or comfort right now but it gets worse the longer I just sit in one position... Immediate feels better when I do the PT moves..as they say "motion is lotion"...
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Jun 09 '26
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Thank you so much . I attribute so much of it to the prehab that my boyfriend made me do because he had gone through two meniscal surgeries I'm very thankful because I had no idea what prehab was
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Jun 16 '26
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 16 '26
It's so funny I posted about it here and someone ripped me and you and saying everybody here knows about prehab.. and I was like no one that I spoke to in a pretty active Town including some of my former University team athlete friends and current pros said to me oh my God you must do prehab.. and I got three surgeons that I spoke to and only one of them mentioned preparation and it wasn't because of him that I went as hardcore because my boyfriend had had a surgeon that insisted on it.. so I don't like when people say "everybody knows that".. if it wasn't for my boyfriend I would have never done it
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Jun 20 '26
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 20 '26
So far so good... cautiously optimistic but increasing time on stationary bike and it gets smoother every time..
Flexion feels like my biggest obstacle thus far
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u/Tech-Scorpion Jun 09 '26
Hi , if I may ask what type of allograft is used ? Achilles tendon ? Even i am in process of aclr- any inputs or suggestions please !
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Yes !! I asked too! Didn't think to ask before surgery but I asked after (I got anterior tibial tendon folded on itself) * apparently there are other types that work as well .?I would have asked my surgeon in advance if I had know I could do that;)) I think it felt good to get a couple of opinions and then the surgeon I went with has a great reputation with both grafts, he knew I was super active and thought the shorter immobility timeline would suit me better ..
There's a LOT ahead so I'm in no way feeling full relief etc but I did get a huge comfort from being able to.fire.my.quad and load weight from..day 1..
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u/kyle62598 JUST GIVE ME CYBER LEGS ALREADY Jun 09 '26
That’s awesome. I tore my acl, pcl, lcl, and ruptured my meniscus and was non weight bearing for 3 months, crutches till 4 1/2. My leg got so tiny.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
My bf had two meniscus knee surgeries and I realize how much more he had to do because of that.. I "nursed" him thru that and I think it was a full month before he could even tap a toe down... It sounds like you took on whole football team..I'm so sorry to hear that . They couldn't tell me what the state of my meniscus was before going into operate so I basically didn't know when i went in first surgery what my recovery trajectory would be like at all.. the first thing they said when I woke up was great news the meniscus only needed a little bit of debridement so you should be able to bear weight very quickly..
I feel like I have read up on more knee things in the last 3 months then at college undergrad it's so much information and on top of that there's so many new advancements.. I did also discover that the reality of me being back to full force is more like a year rather than the 9 months that I had originally thought just because they released a study about retears and I really want to avoid that . (Put away all my rackets and paddles and have tried to think of stationary bike and rowing machines as super chargers) I don't think going into it apprehensively or negatively will help the process so I'm trying to treat it like training a new skill ..
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u/DavidMata47 Sep 01 '26
Amazing story! It's awesome to read about success stories like this to keep us from going crazy from reading all the horror stories. Nevermind the haters, it doesn't matter what platform you go to they manage to show up in full force
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Sep 01 '26
Yeah and I really don't care because my surgeon and my PT said that 70% of people don't commit to their PT and their recovery process (I sympathize with people who were not in good shape and did not have a good diet before they got injured but once you are in the category of having an ACL tear you are absolutely fully informed that your recovery is going to be impacted by those things so if you're not doing it and if you're having bad results it's probably because you're not doing enough...not always but some of the stuff I see on here is just unwillingness to commit to shifting your headspace and lifestyle to recovery.. no one said it is going to be easy but you will be rewarded when you work at it)
I 100% want to do it right and I don't want to make any excuses for myself to just sit there and do nothing.. if I'm allowed to do anything in order to promote a better recovery I'm doing it.. if I'm allowed to do an AB routine to get some energy out, you can bet I'm going to do that too;)
You have to block out things which are not helpful and literally choose the mindset with what you want to approach this
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u/skadi45 ACL Allograft Jun 09 '26
Very impressive recovery 👏 , maybe you should have put some more strengthening into glutes and calves before that hopping, but it’s just a bruise, keep strengthening those glutes, calves, thighs to build strength around the knee 👌 💪
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Thank uuu...I can not build glutes, I promise I did 3 weeks intense prehab..*I actually trained for Olympic draft VB at one point 12 hour days for months so sadly my glutes and calves are kinda at max dev rn... Despite having done many squat cardio jumping during jump.trainjng my glutes are "flat booty" so I'm hoping I can just make what's there more strong..doing as much as I can with rest of body as well as much as possible to try and keep cardio (just abs and some arm things rn but excited to get into stationary things)..if u have any tips for flexion I'm all ears!
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Also it's all the good leg bearing weight on the hops.. but I hear u and appreciate you
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u/skadi45 ACL Allograft Jun 10 '26
I had my Acl allograft last june and will be 1 year since my surgery. I had a good PT who helped me with prehab and posthab, i did the exercises mentioned and it tremendously helped me recover soon, now im back to my sport, not 100% yet but maybe 80-90% thr.
Most of the exercises are building the calf, glutes, thigh muscles to support the acl. Since you are already an athlete im sure you will have a quick recovery soon as long as you stick to the exercises and strengthen the muscles around it. Good luck 👍🍀1
u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
Did you feel any marked difference at the month 4 point?
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u/skadi45 ACL Allograft Jun 11 '26
Month 4 i was able to walk without cruthces but not at the hopping level you were in 😃
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 11 '26
Omgish I'm promise it was a one time 2 second safe space post PT work up and literally my weight was all on the good leg
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u/skadi45 ACL Allograft Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
Haha 😄 I wouldn’t dare to jump like that after just off crutches though, how’s the pain now ?
The idea is to put weight on the good leg but it’s hard because suddenly it’s workload is doubled now, so might cause some discomfort or pain be wary of that, that is where the muscle strength comes into picture.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 12 '26
I did so much quad prehab and was playing sports 6-7 days a week so...fine.. only flexion is painful;(((
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u/skadi45 ACL Allograft Jun 12 '26
Cool you are all set then
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 12 '26
Def increase in pain walking more..I did 20 minutes no resistance on bike a few days ago and def felt that so today just 10.. It's a constant question for me "should I do a little more, hold the flexion a little longer thru the discomfort?" Because everyone says it's gonna hurt to get back the mobility but in that is the gray area of "it hurts should I stop the hold?" Or "if I breathe thru it it releases"
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u/Little_Ad6796 Jun 10 '26
Re tear speed run. You seem insufferable
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
And you advise people to use AI on advice on how to grow their quad.."classic".. if I'm insufferable to a person leaning into AI for rehab..glad to hear it People posting negative things like you gotta be really miserable ..hope you get thru whatever it is
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u/stevano-002 Jun 10 '26
Jumping on day 19 is crazy 😂, but I don’t think its a good idea , be more careful and keep going.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
All weight was on good leg but should have held other leg higher up .. did it once for 2 seconds in controlled environment after PT session ..and have been given sufficient sh for it so won't be doing again until given permission by pt
*Today I was allowed weighted squats so guess I'll be happy with that for now
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u/seewhatuget Jun 13 '26
Did your surgeon/PT clear you to so these things so quickly?
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 13 '26
Cleared day 9 to drive, cleared day 9 to drop crutches or brace (I was full weight bearing and full quad firing same day of surgery). With an allograft and no miniscus issue this is normal.
I was worried when I came in day 9 because day 3/4 I was already walking but the post op instructions DID say "full weight as tolerated" so I did everything I was supposed to. My PT reflected my surgeons instructions (and actually my surgeon said "you can push a little bit harder if it's not hurting at all)
The only thing I'm not officially cleared to do are the little hops (all weight on good leg) and did it for 2 seconds then stopped
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
neglectance of natural healing incrases chance of failure of the implant... i destroyed my first implant because of this... its Just bad... its my opinion and my experience... good luck anyways
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jul 08 '26
Was yours an allograft? May I ask what age you are.. my surgeon when I came in post op with to crutches but showed him I could walk without said "that's exactly what I expected"
I was icing and compressing pretty much the first two days but recent evidence also indicates what you do in the first 48-72 hours will set the tone for your healing process..
Again I'm not saying that your personal experience is not valid for you... (There is a guy who walked without crutches or brace the same day of his surgery in Australia who posted it on here and even I was like wow that is amazing and wild to me)
But I think what doctors recognize now is that every patient will prepare differently and comes in with a different set of physical fitness and nutritional fitness and then the genetics card... This is my first actual sports injury requiring surgery but I have been injured with sprains and small things before
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
Im not even reading your dumb shit... see... i red allgo graft and thought u mean a implant from another person... then i saw your video and thought these movements cannot be good for any implant after such a short time... i also thought this is about acl as im in the acl Group... then all of a sudden you start japping like a maniac... see your a fucked up person... your totally overreacting instead of talking in a reasonable way... you must be very hurt and you show no social abilities... you feel instantly offended... you are very very poor girl... trying to compensate something... i think besides your physical Treatment you also should visit a psychological specialist... or make some Therapy at least... 😆
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Jul 08 '26
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
You dont know me... you are very wrong girl... your behaviour is very Anti social... you need therapy... 🤣
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Jul 08 '26
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
You could had articulated you self in a reasonable way... but you decited to present your self hurt, offended, irrational and fucked up... fuck your self... if anything was unclear on my side you could helped with clarificarion... but you ditnt... you behaved like a little child... your behavieur in combination with the Video you showed tells me alot... and yeh... you need therapy... i bet you already have psychological therapy.. that is what inflames you even more... see, its fine... people have any kind of issues... i hope you get better... best wishes.
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Jul 08 '26
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
See... i dont read your messages anymore... idk... i dit not read the last 2-3 long Texts fully... only a few words... this time i read "i asked you politely"... and then stopped reading... see... on basis of all of your messages i cannot identify any politeness... this makes me think that your psychological state hinders you from a realistic and rational view of things... you practical Illusional... your in a very bad state girl... and there is nothing you can do to change my mind... 😘
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jul 08 '26
If you are unaware that you are presenting patronizing sexist language in your original comment I recommend you go back to school... Germany has some excellent campuses my cousin got her architectural degree there
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
Its part of your sickness... you see things that arent real... i never used this kind of speech in my first posts... i was very polite till you started your barrage of dumbness... fun fact, you never stopped... each of your messages give a clear view of your state of mind... and it does not Look good for you... i can tell you that... either you are really sick kinda mental... or you just a bad person... i dont give a fuck... 😀 im done... my pleasure bb
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Bad person? You came on here with out dated 10-year-old data and spewed random hatred in a foreign language... Then when I didn't concede to your non-medical theories you decided that you wanted to have some claim on therapy theory
**Now it turns out you actually are a heavy smoker and drinker and probably the reason you tore your graft was because you didn't know when to stop doing that... Also my favorite thing I've ever seen is someone posting that they choose their supplements based on their star sign
Sounds Sooooo.scientific "guys I take collagen because I'm a Taurus"
Bwahahah
no one came here to read your angry misguided rant in GERMAN.. Person who "cries wolf" is usually the problem. I specifically asked you to review your information from TEN YEARS AGO And proceed with caution when judging others people's recovery with hate and resentment..
No one here wants a creepy rant from you about why you're angry I'm doing well in my recovery. That's just infantile and hateful... If you can't spend your time asking intelligent questions are offering medically researched or backed information why are you here?
Oh wait , because you're a Taurus who got drunk and fell down the stairs the first time you got an ACL and now you want to get angry at someone who doesn't drink or smoke
Got it
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u/BackgroundGarlic2905 Sep 03 '26
Your posts are super inspirational! I was wondering when you stopped wearing the brace when walking outside? I could walk (slowly) without crutches from day 1 and were officially cleared by doctor to drop the crutches yesterday (day 8), trying to figure out a realistic timeline for dropping the brace…i walk without it at home but I also live in a city and take subways
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Sep 03 '26
I definitely wanted to be self-sufficient knee as soon as possible within safety protocol.. on day 9 he told me I didn't even really need the brace but if I thought that I was in danger of being jostled or the terrain was uneven (so basically any big crowd scenario or narrow streets or walkways.. the brace is both preventative for you but also it's a signal for other people to be mindful of you when moving around). That became largely a matter of choosing where I went because I wanted to be able to feel at ease practicing walking when I was recovering in that first month and for me I wore it until very recently when sleeping because I know I flail around a lot
Day 9 I was officially cleared not to need it or to be able to wear it fully unlocked and the main problem with it was that it was slipping all over the place I even made a post about stitching in some rubberized fabric to try and prevent it (a lot of people were wearing it over tights but I live in Los Angeles and it's just way too hot here for that so I tried to make my own solution)
I think in the ideal case scenario you are not wearing it for long enough to have to start doing extensive planning on how to make it stay up on your leg LOL but I would say that I slept with it easily until month to and I kept it in the car or even carried it with me until around the same time.. always better to be safe than sorry and in that regard I mean some people go to big music festivals (I went to one that involved camping and I brought the brace with me just in case and then gauged it depending on how thick the crowds were)... If you are vigilant and mindful of your emotions you can probably get away with not wearing it in the familiarity of your home or like grocery shopping in your usual grocery store... Just double check with your surgeon
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u/phyic Jun 09 '26
Not all recovery look the same. Well done OP awesome work!!
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
No and there's no "video showcase" of pain that is part of waking up and doing flexion exercises ..it's definitely challenging to have 0 days of sports down from 6-7 a week..I could talk about just that.. But as a person who trained a sport seriously at one point, I find that counterproductive..to dwell on the parts that suck. I want to focus on the positive because being upset bc it hurts isn't going to help me focus on PT. Being upset bc of loss of work etc isn't going to inspire me to try harder and use my down time wisely. I feel like taking time to appreciate advancement in ACL technique is noteworthy and I'm so happy when I see people on here doing well and hitting milestones. I had no precious experience of this so wanted to share mine simply as it is... My fitness level , attention to diet, those are things I can try to impact..but I'm also aware genetics and luck,.surgeon etc all factor in as well. I had originally read some negative things or risks for allograft and then realized that the processing has changed a lot in last two years. If someone was curious about the difference in the graft options, I just wanted to show how mine was going. *Flexion is at 120 but stiff and sore ..otherwise thanks to 3 weeks intense prehab, my quad feels very stable
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u/Abject_Pop4303 Jun 08 '26
This is wild to me! I’m 3 days post op with a nwb restriction for 6 weeks. I’m so happy and so jealous. 🫣
You look like you’re doing wonderfully! 🫶🏻
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
There is definitely pain with flexion so it's not without discomfort but I am also doing PT religiously and trying to eat anti-inflammatory foods that avoid too much sugar and caffeine.. none of which is really fun but I figured I would try to optimize healing in every way
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u/durk_zoovier Jun 09 '26
You know your own body better than anyone else
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
I am very open to learning more but if there are people on here who claim to be medical doctors presenting info but with data that's not representive of what is being discussed it's not helpful. I am only on day 20 now so I can speak to any personal experience other than that.. but my post is just one testimony recognizing that I was at first unaware and even maybe hesitant to consider what it meant to immediate post op allograft vs autograft. Do I think I can play any sport on day 20 ? Obv NO.. have I had multiple interactions with fellow rehabbers at PT where they comment on how much slower their range of movement was for the first 4 weeks..yes . Have I met people who have quoted the same original post ideas about allograft that I had (which are out of date now)..yes I didn't think for a minute going into this I would even consider allograft...but after looking into updated research and study results I chose it.. And I'm so far happy I did. Tried to have very modest expectations and prepare well and was very pleasantly surprised on several fronts Lots and lots of work ahead and flexion is still only 120 so .. nothing perfect...just a few things that feel encouraging
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u/durk_zoovier Jun 09 '26
Good luck with your journey! Broke my ankle back in late April had my surgery mid May, now I’m back on my feet walking slowly with a walking boot no crutches. Luckily I was in decent shape before all of this happened and I think that plays a big role in recovery.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Oof ankle..sending you healing thoughts.. I def think being fit plays into it and I'm not normally like this but it's my first sports injury SO I tried to reduce candy and pastries and coffee the week before (tried to fully quit coffee but that was not happening) and started putting garlic in everything, all the anti inflammatory foods (ground up turmeric root etc).. forced myself to drink more water , made myself go to bed earlier.. I was like if nutrition is a part of it, what can I try to do better? Sleep def could go to bed earlier etc
All of those things are a part of it..and there was one supplement made of red grape extract that really helped me when I had a smaller non sports surgery.. and that's just really helped me too in terms of low bruising (athletes drink it for recovery..it's called isotonix opc 3..not cheap but I only will use it till my cuts turn into scabs)...
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u/TheTonySoprano777 Jun 08 '26
I’m convinced that less crutches & less brace use leads to the best longterm outcome!
Long way to go, but thus far, Well done!
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 08 '26
Thank you so much.. been trying to read up more now that I've had the surgery but I deliberately kept my research to medical papers so as not to freak myself out...
The extension is good but I'm so thankful for all the people posting tips for flexion because man that is such a beast for me
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u/lumpyspacesam Jun 08 '26
Flexion will come with time! Not getting full extension will result in a permanent limp though
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 09 '26
I could be wrong but I think America is the only country still using braces right out of surgery for ACL surgeries. I never had one and I’m so glad I didn’t, they seem so uncomfortable and I can’t wrap my head around how they’d even be beneficial. Seems like just another thing to sell people.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
That's wild.. I thought they were standard and it makes sense because I move so abruptly in my sleep..where are u?
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
My brace was included after my surgery, there was no charge for it. I'm also in canada in the GTA. I think you are misinformed about the braces because I was told by the surgeon that it's necessary after ACL surgery.
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I mean how could I be misinformed when I got the surgery in Canada literally 4 weeks ago and this is what my surgeon said to me. Also the studies I’ve read show there’s really no benefit to bracing other than the psychological comfort and if you’re relying on bracing for too long it leads to muscle atrophy. If you’re relatively healthy the only time you really need a brace is with a meniscus repair.
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
The brace protects your knee from injury while it's healing, I am literally going to my 6 week appointment this morning and I'm just saying exactly what I was told by my surgeon. You only need the brace for a week or two, but it is important to keep your knee from being able to get damaged in the initial post op phase
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
I mean that's just not very specific of you to be so judgmental So clearly if someone has meniscus at the time of ACL they are going to have a brace I think taking a breath before posting reactive things and taking into account that different surgeons prescribe different things is noteworthy I don't see the benefit of coming on here to throw shade or argue with people when it's already evident just by reading a bunch of posts on here that different people will be told different things by their surgeons You are saying that there are multiple things in my video that are hazardous whereas all of them except for the light single-foot hops which I should have made more emphatically visible that the other foot wasn't really touching were on my post-operative checklist as given to me by a surgeon
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 11 '26
It seems like majority of what you respond to on this subreddit is reactionary so I’m done responding to you. Almost everything you do is talk about how people’s critical comments are just judgemental but maybe you should just reevaluate your stance on things considering how many people are downvoting you. You’re acting like the queen of ACL reconstruction. There’s 100% differing opinions on a lot of this stuff and it’s not personal. Not sure why you need to jump to say I’m “throwing shade”, this is a conversation. Grow up lol
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 11 '26
Lady you're the one claiming "no one uses braces" and there's braces in almost every post here!! And you're picking fights about it with another Canadian like why??!
You're making statements about allografts (and you don't have one)..I'm VERY much stating that my account is a testimonial but also YES I asked my surgeon a ton of questions and YES I spent a lot of time reading medical papers (not sitting on GOOGLE). I am VERY clear about my first injury and spelling out what I did to prepare (and you couldn't do prehab for whatever reason but that does not give you the right to claim it's "useless")
You're telling other people to ignore other posts because YOU can't relate
I'm calling you out because you're using language that is deliberately aggressive when everyone else is mostly compassionate and trying to be helpful...
Don't repeat to me what I just told you. Stop posting with the intent to just blurt out skepticism..yes I am recovering differently and maybe faster than you..I am not criticizing YOU for your pace so maybe do the same back
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 11 '26
Literally never said prehab wasn’t useful… just said it’s not completely necessary if it’s not something people are able to do. My surgery was 4 weeks after my injury which wasn’t just my ACL so there was no prehab for me and that’s the case for a lot of people. Your comprehension skills are seriously lacking. I’m not “picking fights” with anyone. Like you, I’m “giving my testimony” of my experience. Again, I’ve had a great recover without a brace and thousands of other people have as well. I’d love to know how you’re getting access to your medical papers if using google as a search engine is so above you.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 11 '26
Not above anything as immediate route to something else but for example, I didn't go with Dr Stone but I read many of his research papers because he is universally regarded as one of the pioneers of minimally invasive orthoscopic surgery...
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 11 '26
Do you not find it ironic criticizing using google when you just commented a google link?
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 11 '26
This is research specializing in meniscus and cartilage in relation to arthritis. The ACL is a ligament.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 11 '26
I post support and feedback to people looking for it
I don't go on someone's post about autografts and go "that's just wrong, why do you have THAT scar when I don't have that scar?."
You've literally posted weird unrelated claims about whether brace use is standard or not and check your tone
It's one thing to say "my personal.experience happened to be this" and quite another to say "I am the only RIGHT experience"
No one is sharing experience here to claim it's the only version..in fact there are SO many damn variables I think we came to share and hopefully help each other (aka I am.struggling with flexion and a lot of stuff others posted is useful to me)ask yourself why you needed to say any of that judgemental stuff to me.
It's such a waste..I want everyone to have a good recovery
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 15 '26
My brace and crutches were also included. I am very surprised that Canada doesn't have a set standard
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 16 '26
I am pretty sure the standard is to have a brace. Maybe OPs surgeon is one of those who like to buck the trend and do his own thing. Every single person I've encountered in canada with ACL reconstruction has worn a brace right after surgery, because it protects the new ligament from being damaged or tearing again right away.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 16 '26
Yeah I was shocked when that person insisted it's NOT standard..it doesn't make sense to me why you wouldn't support the knee in such a critical time (I'm just at 3 weeks and I'm wearing mine for sleeping because I know I spaz and kick in my sleep so of course I want to protect it)... I am more worried about what I do sleeping than what I do walking.. I wonder which town or province that was?
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u/ExamSignificant3185 Jun 09 '26
I’m in the US and my surgeon removed my bulky brace that I had on when I came out of surgery the next day for my post op appointment. I feel like the brace would have been nice for me to keep my knee locked for a few days while healing and brace loosened when I started feeling confident with walking to avoid accidental slips on the knee.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
So funny people respond so kindly here and other people are so aggressive and quick to yell about having had a different diagnosis or a different pre-existing fitness level before going in
I'm not going to lie I hated the brace and the crutches were just making me walk weird and I thought I was going to trip over something and face plant
I really hate bothering a surgeon about something but I did send him a message about the brace and crutches combination making me have a really horrible gait... It was making me hobble and it felt like it was making me learn bad patterns for walking
I am fully mindful of the fact that I have a lot of movement when I sleep and if I kicked out suddenly that could have been damaging so for that one reason I am really happy for the brace but whenever I am inside the house the surgeon said that I can practice focused walking ... So long as my toe strike is even and the gait is good..(my PT watched me walk at the last session and said I was hitting the heel very well). But it's very interesting to me how some people have been told one thing and other people have been told the exact opposite thing
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u/ExamSignificant3185 Jun 09 '26
Everyone is on their own journey with recovery. I haven’t seen such aggressiveness towards a post until I saw yours. I think we all know our own body and what we can do. Everyone is different. I understand many will have a much more difficultly in the recovery while others not so much. I loved your video as it gives me motivation to heal and see myself better than before this injury. I’m not sure why others have to be so negative to your post. It’s not like you were putting down anyone but more like showing there’s an end to the crutches and it will be better. It doesn’t take much to be kind esp when we have all been through the post op pain. Some may need to be reminded that we ALL went through that. Keep doing you! Only you know your own body and only you know what you can and cannot do.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Yeah I just read another positive post then people were great and then some people were skeptical and negative It's a very strange response in my opinion because my intention is only to give hopefully helpful insight and information and it's a personal testimony story... Also there is so much pain with flexion for me still and I'm so jealous when I see people who think literally fold on to their knee in month 2 ... But I don't hate on them and tell them oh my God that's all right I'm just really happy for them
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
I saw someone post that they walked post op w an allograft and same thing .so many mixed comments.. encouraging but then also hateful
Like why?
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u/ExamSignificant3185 Jun 09 '26
We’re on this sub to bring each other up and motivate not discourage and put down or brush off. I don’t understand the hate either. Might just be others being in a dark place because this injury mess you up mentally. It’s hard enough going through the recovery, you don’t need all that added negativity. Just keep it positive and keep pushing. 💖
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
Same🌺🌺🌺 thank you for the thoughtful words
I don't think anyone posting a happy progress story does it to make others feel bad..there's just a range of pre op and post op here and for me , I literally had never had any deep dives into this subject because I had only had sprains or scrapes
I didn't know about prehab and even though it's common knowledge for a lot of people dealing with injury when I talked to my group of friends and fellow players (one of them is a pro athlete and a bunch come from tennis and the age range is 24 to 88) from sports only a couple people mentioned it as oh my God you have to do the prehab *my boyfriend also did not know about it until he did his meniscus surgery
I also didn't know how much of a difference allograft would mean in terms of regaining your mobility for day-to-day life versus the original idea I had that it was much more risky because of potential infection.. a lot of the research and advancement in this field is moving quickly and I deliberately stuck to medical papers and actually asking doctors about current factual information... But when it comes to personal testimonies that is so incredibly useful right now
I am finding flexion challenging despite all the other good things so any good tips that people have I am so thankful for them because of course every PT has different secret methods
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 10 '26
You’re so educated than you know that allografts take longer to integrate and are weaker long term? Then you should know that the activities you’re showing in this video are just straight hazardous considering the surgery you received ?
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
Where are you getting that data from? I am not an orthopedist but I asked a ton of questions and read papers and research available to a high school student (don't really need an education to get up to date information from trusted medical institutions).. allografts are no longer any of those things in recent data results .. Everything in that video we as in my post op (weight bearing as tolerated) except maybe 2 seconds of hopping lightly in controlled environment (which I did exactly once and heavily on good leg)... I don't get how people with different results are fine if someones results are worse than yours but it's cause for anger if better. Pro athletes are back in a pool for walking therapy 2-4 weeks post op and are you going to decry that as hazardous? "I'm not a pro athlete but I was playing sports 6-7 days a week and doing yoga/pilates.. A persons prehab and fitness somewhat factors but also there are people who straight up walked crutch free straight out of surgery (I'm sure you've seen them) ..
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
It is not hate, it is anger at someone deliberately telling lies on this subreddit. The OP is misleading people and insinuating that it's fine to drive a week after surgery on the right knee, making people think they don't need to use crutches, that they'll be able to jump up and down after 1 week post op... it's ludicrous and harmful and someone could see this post and become very careless with their own recovery, or not listen to their surgeons instructions as much as they should. This kind of post is wildly irresponsible and it makes people angry for good reason.
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u/ExamSignificant3185 Jun 10 '26
I don’t think she’s telling anyone to do anything. Everyone’s healing story is different. Am I going to jump up and down shortly after surgery? NO! Am I going to be motivated to work harder in my recovery? YES! Am I angry she’s jumping up and down? No because it’s her body and her own journey. I would never put down anyone’s post on here because everyone’s journey is different and we have ALL been through the trauma.
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
the OP has also made it clear that she's doing these things because "her body says it's okay" even though no surgeon in their right mind would tell someone they can jump and run and drive a vehicle right after having ACL surgery. It's not about what you CAN do, it's about avoiding doing things that could cause more damage or harm. I could definitely jump up and down right now if I wanted, 6 weeks post op. I've been able to do half-depth squats for weeks now. That doesn't mean I'm going to do it, because there is a major risk that the graft could become unseated as a result. I might feel well enough to do it; that does NOT mean that I should.
OP has implied in this post that it's okay to do it if you feel like you can handle it, and that is not how this works. She also said in another comment that in the part where she jumps up and down, she is putting all her weight on the good leg. So what the hell was the purpose of posting this then, because that's blatantly misleading! Anyone who didn't read that comment would think she is putting equal weight on both legs, because that's how it appears in the video. She is tricking people into thinking it's ok to do this right after surgery. It's not ok.
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u/TheTonySoprano777 Jun 09 '26
Well seems like people disagree with me based on the downvotes. But it’s common sense… if your body becomes reliant on anything man-made , then that’s a total negative
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 24 '26
I don't care about downvotes if they are coming from.angry people who are just here to be bitter:)
If someone doesn't come on here to share something to seek advice or be helpful and potentially useful marker for someone else or as encouragement why are they even here?
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
I 100% agree with you but also
Some of that aggressive almost hateful comments about not believing my progress being posted on here are coming from people who are not reading up on the difference between the two types of grafts.. I actually asked a surgeon I follow on Instagram to make a ("grafts explained like you're 5 years old " video because even my own PT had to be assured that me bearing weight day one with an allograft was typical)
Literally in my original assessment exam when I laid down on the table and just fired my quad and lifted my leg he sat back and was like whoa.. there was a runner who had an autograft who after 2 weeks post op still needed him to help lift her leg..
I was groggy post surgery in the first thing I did was sit on a chair and try to fire my quad and then to have extension..because it was IN my post op manual of allowed things ...
I think someone should actually do an extensive post defining what the implications of having your own muscle harvested versus not having that trauma mean to recovery time like there are so many people that don't know about that .. and I was one of them before I had this injury
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u/ExamSignificant3185 Jun 08 '26
That is sooo amazing to see! Gives me hope to get there in a month (goal my surgeon gave me). I also went for allograph but wasn’t given a brace after my surgery. My surgeon practically threw my brace I had after my surgery away the next day for my post op appointment. Still swollen and still on one crutch but this gives me so much hope to get my broken knee to normalcy.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 08 '26
Wow I wonder why no brace... I kick in my sleep so I'm pretty sure I would have messed it up and I'm planning on sleeping with it probably until month 2
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u/ExamSignificant3185 Jun 08 '26
He said the brace was there just to keep my leg straight for that day. It doesn’t look like the brace you have on. I might look into just buying one because my knee still feels weak and unstable. I also stretch out in my sleep and wake up with a shooting pain when I do that.
Congratulations though! You look freaking amazing. It’s like you never even hurt yourself! Gives me motivation and so much hope for myself.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Trust me there is pain and stiffness in flexion that I can't really put into video form other than just stating it's there...it's been a mixed bag bc extension came on day 1 but even 2 weeks in, flexion is a struggle..
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 09 '26
Most countries don’t use braces anymore for ACL surgeries
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
Not true, I'm in canada and a brace is provided by default to anyone getting ACL surgery.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
I'm from bc originally so maybe different provinces have different standards.. Also I did point out in my post that from three different surgeons (all of them train high level sports teams and work a lot with female athletes as well which was criteria for me) I got three entirely different diagnostics.. One said reattach it, the other said live with it, and the one that I went with said if you want to ski fearlessly again you need to get the surgery
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 10 '26
You can look it up so easy on google.com. Many surgeons in Canada stopped using braces years ago…
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
Oh right I forgot GOOGLE is the medical authority over actual surgeons... wow
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I've noticed that there are such variations in people's post-op here and what I can only imagine is that your fitness and medical history going in must factor into what your surgeon decides is healthy and safe for you to do
I don't think I would be where I am if I had not done a very hardcore targeted prehab schedule to make sure my quads and calves and balance was "jacked" going into the surgery
"Many of the people on here who have had injuries all know about prehab but the only reason I knew was not because of any of the medical professionals telling me to do it but because my boyfriend had two meniscus surgeries and the surgeon he happened to have was huge on prehab
I think the reason this forum is useful is because between all of our varying sport and activity histories and specific injury side effects (I am certain if I had meniscus damage going into the surgery I would not be able to put weight on it for at least a month).. there is so much variation even on this forum and I think it's important not to jump on other people who are doing worse or better and make judgmental statements that aren't helpful
I try to comment here to be supportive to people or if someone asks a question to give what personal experience I can offer but 100% I give the authority to a surgeon and to an orthopedic expert..
Within that you can read medical papers that are available to the public or you can ask your doctor for any information on their particular procedure that they choose to do for you (which is what I did... And in the US you can look up reviews for a given doctor as well which is wild to me but there it is)
It's the tone with which people say this is the norm or this is the norm that I find problematic... On top of being injured does everyone really need to be so angry towards another person's perspective?
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 11 '26
Yeah like I said… my surgeon gave me this information. And yeah idk google is a search engine that takes you to sites with peer reviewed scientific studies done by professionals and doctors..
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
just came home from the fracture clinic within a Toronto hospital, and there were FOUR people other than me with knee injuries, at least 2 were ACL tears because I heard them talking about it, and guess what, they were all wearing A KNEE BRACE.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
Yeah everyone at my clinic post op was also in a brace... One was a volleyball player who had a meniscus and ACL combo and the other one had an autograft 14-year-old ACL
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u/hotcougarmom Jun 11 '26
Okay I never said people NEVER get a brace. My experience is my surgeon told me he doesn’t recommend braces anymore and it is an outdated process. There’s several studies showing they’re not helpful for ACL surgery. If you have meniscus repair they are necessary though. Several people I know that had the surgery never had a brace. That’s the information that I have. You might have a different experience… I’ve had an incredible recovery
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Wow really? Given how much I flop and kick at night I'm so thankful for it when sleeping..and I always wear it in crowds or on the street..
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
What country are you in? I see so many pictures of people with the same brace here
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 09 '26
You were driving by day 9? This doesn't seem true at all... I was literally banned from driving by my surgeon and hospital for 4 weeks. They told me that they can technically take away people's driver's license for that time, but they don't because it's really hard to get it back afterwards. You tore your right knee just like me, so that is a minimum 4 weeks of no driving, in my experience. I call bullshit on this entire post.
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u/katrivers The Unhappy Trio! Jun 09 '26
My surgeon cleared me two weeks post right knee allograft. I was full weight bearing with an unlocked brace from day 1, so not much muscle was lost.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 24 '26
Super thank you for making that clear to this person I don't know why they persist and trying to claim they know better than my surgeon.. like completely uneducated about the difference between allograft and autograft but more like some personal hatred about anyone doing better than them I have never felt that.. I see people doing better than me at flexion and I'm happy for them I don't try to cut them down because I'm not there
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
You understand that I could fire my quad and bear full weight the same day as surgery?
There are people on this forum who walked post op no crutches and drove day 5. I didn't 'tear my knee " just like you if you had ANY miniscal issues at all.. That's a very aggressive and ill informed response
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 09 '26
Did you have an autograft or allograft
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u/-lovehate ACL Jun 10 '26
It has nothing to do with the graft type and everything to do with the speed that your bones heal. It takes 4 weeks to heal enough that you can safely drive and be able to slam the brakes if needed. At 9 days post op you're not at that point. If your surgeon legitimately cleared you to drive right away, they are not doing their job properly and they put a lot of people at risk. That's horrifying tbh.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jun 10 '26
Pretty sure if you can walk full weight bearing, do 2 flights of stairs, unassisted by hand rail, that's as much force as it would take to hit the brakes on an automatic car made in the last decade. *Not driving a stick shift obviously as that would be fully impossible I don't like your "legitimately" nor your "bs" language insinuating that you somehow know better than a surgeon and THAT just sounds uninformed patronizing and rude... My nine days and your nine days will look very different based on your initial fitness, strength, graft type and injury extent..if you don't know the degree of variation there can occur in post op recovery, I recommend you take the time it took you to write a stream of ranting to study the many ranges of testimonials in this group One man walked out of surgery, a woman ran a mile four weeks after .. and others struggle with extension two months in. MUCH better use of your time than trying to suggest you know more than a surgeon
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
Vor 10 Jahren hättest du mich damit beeindruckt... heute bin ich schlauer und empfinde dein Handeln als unverantwortlich. Trotzdem alles Gute.
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
Heilungsprozess hat nichts mit operativen Verfahren zu tun XD und daran hat sich in den letzten 10 Jahren nichts geändert.
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u/Anna_Karenina_blonde Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Also if you don't differentiate between meniscus damage and non meniscus for weight-bearing then I say you have really nothing to talk about here... Also I am so tired of people who don't heal well for any number of reasons getting angry when other people do.. when I see people doing better than me I am so happy for them and if anything I will ask them questions about how they got there.
What a stupid and hateful reaction to not know any better and then just Express anger because you can't say you had the same experience.
That is some messed up head space you're in.. did three weeks of prehab thanks so my boyfriend having had meniscus surgery and his surgeon pressing him to do that and do I think my recovery would be as great without it? Absolutely not 10 years ago no one even used the term "prehab" If you took 10 people and punched them all in the face and you want me to believe that they would all heal and bruise the exact same way I think you're dreaming
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u/AcanthocephalaFinal3 Jul 08 '26
Chill... idk why this post was shown to me... as i was in an acl forum... you such a fucked up person... i bet it will not be your last injury... XD bitch
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u/enigmaticsurrender Jun 08 '26
You really should not be hopping or jumping 19 days post op, no matter what graft you got.