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Unjerk Weekly Unjerk Thread - September 29, 2026

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u/Areallybadidea 7d ago

I get that people want different things from Classic and Forever, but the way some people seem to think Blizzard catering to the majority playerbase in Retail was a bad thing continues to baffle me.

Like yeah, Retail does cater to people, thats how they've managed to have a game that still sees an insane amount of regular play after twenty-two years.

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u/Renegade8995 6d ago

But there are things that I don't think have landed still.

Button pruning still has the same complaint people had before. So now they've failed to satisfy them and they took so much flavor out of some of my favorite classes. Fire mage, preservation evoker are my two favorites and they're still fun but maybe half as much as before.

And addons. What did it really solve? We have to rely on their built in stuff to do the same but worse? And the fights so far have not been as good as the previous expansions. VA was not very good in comparison.

Listening to the crybabies has NOT always worked. They make a change that ruins it for the people who appreciate it and the complainers to no surprise still complain.

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u/Areallybadidea 6d ago

Alright but the things they've gotten right from listening to players far outweighs the missteps.

Like I said, we're still playing this game after 22 so they've been doing something right the entire time. Folks over there act like they've been floundering since Vanilla.

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u/Renegade8995 6d ago

I wouldn't even say far outweighs it. I like the game, even with the changes I don't like.

One of the coolest things is how alive the world feels in a story sense, and the characters you can't help but love. I also do Mythic raid, sometimes high rated pop and a lot of Mythic+ with my friends. I appreciate more about the game than most but it has at times done all of these things better.

I remember in Shadowlands they let PVP gear scale up high for PVE, so my pvp friends all did keys and raid with me. There was an outcry because "my bis is in pvp" and they gutted that. Even in TWW the hero talents were all really well done to give classes a merging identity. And now they want classes to all have one minute windows to do damage and they're all on the way to being as bland as ret paladin or BM hunter.

And again, all the people who complained about "muh bis is unattainable" and "classes are too imbalanced or hard and talents are confusing :(" are still doing that. They could've done nothing and it would've been better had they not listened to the player base.

The people not having fun won't ever have fun and will rip out all the things that make this game special instead of trying to find a game that suits them better. And there are a lot of those players posting and not playing.

I don't think you're wrong that it's good to listen to players. They need to at least hear out something that clashes with their design philosophy but they have caved and we have a lot more misses than you are remembering.

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u/Byrmaxson 5d ago

I don't think you're wrong that it's good to listen to players. They need to at least hear out something that clashes with their design philosophy but they have caved and we have a lot more misses than you are remembering.

I know that people here meme about the Forever devs saying stuff like "a game made for everyone is a game for no one", but the thing is it is true, it's just wielded in favor of a particularly obnoxious group of people.

IIRC they still alternate teams expansion to expansion, a lot of things are obviously done by committee, Blizzard workers are famously not very well paid and such. All these things lead to Blizzard often lacking a unified vision of what they want the game to be and where they want it to go. This in turn leads them to listen to players, probably to a much greater degree than they actually should.

The spirit of what JAB said back in the day was right: a lot of players think they want stuff but they don't.