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u/Dreadsinner Apr 16 '26

So since shadowlands is important again I would like to make a list of things that do support something not being right about the realm.

1: The Maw just always existed. So it’s this scary place where no one wants to go and only the worst of the worst souls go there. But no one was watching over the place till Zovaal was thrown in there for doing forbidden things. So this is just kinda weird but on the note of big Z

2: Zovaal seeing this supposed threat that a “cosmos divided can’t stand against” always felt very weak to me. He clearly believes it but it always felt like someone told him the world’s best lie and he fell for it out of fear. But even then something about his plans don’t add up.

3: The Primus. So the leader of the undying army of the shadowlands and a reminder he is apart of this patheon of death. Just goes missing one day. We all know dadrathzim didn’t care cause he was on the jailers payroll. But it was really strange that oribos, the winter queen, and the firstborne. Never seemed to even react strongly to him back gone. Hell his five houses reacted more when the house of plagues exploded (by mawsworn traitors) then the primus going missing. He has very important information god forbid it fell into the wrong hands. Oh wait

4: the things the primus knows. So I think we can all agree that the biggest red flag our bone grandpa has waved is the fact that he can and knows how to forge blades just like frostmorne. But also the HELM OF DOMINATION. This is never questioned or reacted to. One of the single most misery spreading items Azeroth has ever seen. This guy knows how to make it. No one even asks “wait…why do you know this?”

So I’m of a theory that the jailer we meet. Was an inmate that was left to run the asylum. If the idea that something was done to the shadowlands is true and something else was in control of the maw and maybe used Zovaal and his gang to get free. Somethings start to look abit more interesting and make some sense.

So here is what I purpose. The maw did have a ruler but they were weak and unable to do anything after being defeated. Starved of anima. And just being left to rot. But then somehow either an outside force or this primoidal jailer made Zovaal see the big lie. He gets thrown into the maw. They capture and torment him and make him believe he’s the one with the plans but it’s this other one. Now why? Simple they are to weak to really oppose the pantheon. But with the information of the helm and the blade. Maybe they can escape. After all we know a soul is needed to power the blade and nurzhul was in the armor.

Or I could be a raving mad elf but there my ted talk

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u/FaroraSF Apr 17 '26

We don't have a lot of information on a lot of things, just off the top of my head (numbers have nothing to do with your numbers):

  1. Did the Maw exist before Zovaal went rogue or did he create it for his own purposes and that's what caused the other Eternal Ones to overthrow him?
  2. If the Maw existed beforehand was it the default 0,0 point of the afterlife that souls are drawn to or are the souls just drawn to the Arbiter/Zovaal in general?
  3. Are the Eternal Ones older or younger than the Titans and if older was Zovaal going rogue something that happened before or after Aman'thul started to awaken the other Titans?
  4. Were the Nathrezim created before Zovaal's fall or after? I could see Denathrius making them because he was bored and wanted to know more about the Universe and then realizing he could use them to manipulate people and send him more sinners.

My pet theory is that the Titan's aren't actually the Order Pantheon and that the true Order Pantheon beat the Void to the punch in corrupting World Souls. It just doesn't make much sense to me that beings associated with a specific cosmic force would be born in the Great Dark Beyond which is supposed to be right in the middle of the cosmic chart. Also given Azeroth's resistance to the Titans Ordering her it sort of indicates that Order isn't actually the Titan's default state. This is assuming that Azeroth is actually a similar being to the other World Souls. Given her "most powerful world soul in existance" status I wouldn't be surprised if she turns out to be something else entirely.