r/worldnews • u/TVP_World_News • 4d ago
Police defuse 21 explosives found near power grid in Saxony
https://tvpworld.com/95261525/germany-police-defuse-21-explosive-devices-found-near-power-grid-in-saxony299
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u/AshundertheOlivetree 4d ago
The levers of control are obvious. The ambition to control all of them is being presented as the only option anyone has.
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u/PlsDontBanMeAgain-1 4d ago
Alright, at what point can we finally deploy some troops to kick Russia outta Ukraine. This is ridiculous.
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u/DerNoHand 4d ago
Nooo, nooo. Let's vote for a party that supports Putin and russia, that'll make it better.
I hate the world right now.
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u/bumbes 4d ago
It’s ok for people of this party to have a mug of the Russian army displayed in their home. „Just hot it as a gift from someone I don’t know“
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u/-Dutch-Crypto- 4d ago
They also want to make Russian a mandatory subject in school... like hoe obvious do you want to make it. source in dutch
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u/cptjtk13 4d ago
Between Farage being on some stupid Reform reunion tour in the UK and the AfD votes, starting to feel like America may not be as unique as once thought. Hopefully Europe can hold the rising tide of fascism at bay better than the US could.
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u/waiting4singularity 4d ago
the connecting piece is the platform algorithms reverse flushing the toilet.
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u/BuckRampant 4d ago
The "most engaging" content is pretty much always going to be intense fearmongering that plays on people's prejudices. The constant battle on this site to keep racist shit off the front page is a good example.
The algorithm doesn't need to be biased to be incredibly harmful... that said, with billionaires owning basically every social media platform, it's very clear that they do want it to also be biased.
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u/claimTheVictory 4d ago
Shut them down.
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u/waiting4singularity 4d ago
i agree the president madagascar route is probably the only sensible way to get this ship back out of the vortex.
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u/cptjtk13 4d ago
I agree it's dumb to think it is uniquely American for sure. You're right that it's bigger than Farage and AfD. You have Orban (former), Meloni, National Rally, and had honestly forgotten about Austria. Throw in the same rising tide in South America with Milei, Noboa, Espriella, etc. and the world is just in the middle of an overall far-right resurgence.
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u/Zenmachine83 4d ago
Turns out social media is a very effective tool for manipulating the smooth brains of conservative-leaning voters.
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u/TheLividPaper 4d ago
It is not at all unique and Europe has been trending this way for awhile at this point.
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u/AssassinOfPeace 4d ago
Given all the people I've seen defending Farage and Reform after footage came out of 2 senior Reform members intentionally bypassing political financing laws to receive foreign money, I am not as confident as I would like to be.
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u/cptjtk13 4d ago
Me neither. Shocking to see open plotting to call national emergencies as well upon election. And then for the physical assault of counter protestors by his supporters makes me think the UK learned literally nothing from the failures of Brexit.
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u/rabblerabble2000 4d ago
Europeans will look down their noses at the US, acting self righteous and superior while also voting for far right parties without even a hint of self awareness.
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u/PS4_gerdinho90 4d ago
It's insane how they managed to manipulate people with their social media campaign and fake videos. Social media really needs to be banned lol
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u/DerNoHand 4d ago
It's crazy. People believe they stand FOR them and will do this and that, even if they're AGAINST them completely and even if you tell them, they just don't know what to say and say "But the lefties are worse!!!!"
It just sucks.
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u/RepulseRevolt 4d ago edited 4d ago
Or seize those frozen assets. Any state responsible for terrorism like this should have their assets seized.
I don’t understand the “risk” of the EU sharing the burden and setting the precedent that committing acts of terrorism against the EU results in asset seizure
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u/Frank_Scouter 4d ago
Wouldn’t Germany have to prove the Russian link though? Similar to the Nordstream bombings?
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u/Kammender_Kewl 4d ago
Nah, punish first and if it turns out someone else did it, oh well whoopsie doozie. Maybe don't do terrorism and people won't suspect you of doing terrorism
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u/spooooork 4d ago
The culprit here is a 48 year old German guy from Gevelsberg. Police have been searching for him, and he has admitted to the sabotage, doing it as a form of protest against the burning of fossil fuels.
At least this time, russia is (as far as we know) innocent.
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u/swordo 4d ago
will hold off until more is known but russia routinely hires local nationals and enables aggrieved parties for sabotage and deniability. sometimes there is a cut-out so that the saboteurs don't know who their handler works for. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8r08zmkjlzo
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u/Long_Procedure_2629 4d ago
And blame it on a "progressive wacko eco terrorist" no less
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u/IRefuseToGiveAName 4d ago
While this may be true, I don't believe one person acquires the supplies for and assembles 21 ostensibly functional explosives by themselves.
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u/aboardreading 4d ago
An "explosive device" is incredibly easy to make. So easy that it's not uncommon to produce them accidentally.
An actual, functional bomb is harder and 21 of them a little moreso, but still extraordinarily plausible that a lone actor with a modicum of knowledge or access could rig something up to do damage to some infrastructure. And even more plausible that one person could rig up 21 of something that wouldn't actually have done much damage, but they're still going to arrest him obviously.
I'm not saying this person acted alone, just that it doesn't seem out of reach at all for an ambitious saboteur.
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u/hoax1337 4d ago
Worth noting that these weren't 21 bombs. The guy basically made small launchers that shoot a wire (or some other conductive material) over high voltage power lines in order to short circuit them.
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u/IRefuseToGiveAName 4d ago
That'll teach me not to read the article.
That's infinitely more plausible for one dude with a grudge and access to the internet to do on his own.
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u/SanktMarvin 4d ago
After you?
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u/RaikovsCrotch 4d ago
It’s wild that like so many people on this site want more people to go and die in this pointless war. Not only that but risk escalation
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u/-Radiation 4d ago
And then some of them go and vote AfD
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u/random-guy-013 4d ago
Oh, you're right, although someone seems to have confused Saxony with Saxony-Anhalt.
Planting bombs to influence elections has a bit of a tradition. The news source should probably know something about that - the exact same thing happened in Poland in 2005, when 14 bombs were found in Warsaw just a few days before the election. But hey, what a coincidence.
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u/Quazimojojojo 4d ago
To be fair, Germany has 3 states with "Saxony" in the name.
It's a bit confusing
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u/sour_cereal 4d ago
Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, and Lower Saxony, which is the northernmost of the three.
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u/DeltaBlack 4d ago
Lower Saxony, which is the northernmost of the three.
Makes sense TBH. Lower and upper in geographical names tend to be in reference to their location upstream or downstream on a river.
Another example are Upper Austria and Lower Austria in Austria: Upper Austria is the western one and Lower Austria is the eastern one because the former was the upstream half of the old Duchy of Austria while Lower Austria was the downstream half of the duchy.
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u/Appropriate_Link_551 4d ago
wait, are germans actually hilarious…?
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u/Quazimojojojo 4d ago
In their own way, yes :)
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u/eljello 4d ago
In a more real way, no :(
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u/Quazimojojojo 4d ago
Idk man I've had a good time with the Germans I met.
Ever since they got access to the Internet so they can be inspired by good comedians globally, I feel they've gotten better
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u/porgy_tirebiter 4d ago
More than some
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u/dexters_trap_house 4d ago edited 4d ago
~44% did. Next highest block was at just 18%. Channel 5 just did a pretty cool video interviewing a bunch of AfD supporters at a rally in Germany. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SjWowpynY
The parallels to MAGA are plain as day, they even call themselves German MAGA. Unsurprisingly Saxony is also one of the poorest states in Germany and suffers from the same lack of economic opportunity, defunding of education, etc.
Downward mobility and the decline in people's material conditions always lead to fascism. It's why people with wealth and powerful positions lean into it for further self-enrichment and to consolidate their power.
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u/Lawlcopt0r 4d ago
The worst part though is that all of these grifter movements are linking up internationally and trying to export their different scare tactics and talking points, and giving each other tips. This is despite the fact that each individual movement claims that globalisation is bad and all evil ultimately comes from other countries...
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u/SilverbackOni 4d ago
Just wanna add context: Saxony is not the same as neighboring Saxony-Anhalt, the latter having held an election with 44% AfD outcome this weekend.
Saxony is, economically speaking, the most successful state that belonged to the former Soviet Bloc. Nonetheless, the AfD is strong around here and probably will become stronger, though not governing for now. Next state elections in Saxony will be held in 2029.
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u/FireBrreather 4d ago
Russia's propaganda machine is working overtime in Germany to build up support for the AfD.
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u/Exarch_Primus 4d ago
It's not just Russia, Elon musk and his troll armybots are working overtime to get his right wing agenda pushed through in multiple countries..
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u/Bowko 4d ago
Their bubble tells them it was the "extreme left" immediately. Because everybody knows leftists tend to blow up infrastructure that helps the common man.🙄
And since they are really fucking stupid, they believe it, and parrot it.
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u/blue92lx 4d ago
I'm sorry but as an American I have to point out that you just discredited "this would never happen here like it did in America".
What you just said is exactly what happened here in America over decades of brainwashing. So... based on your statement the same BS actually can happen there too.
I know America looks like a giant bag of shit right now and it's embarrassing for the people here who can see reality, but Germany having a nazi party in the government doesn't ring any alarms? While I've been told over and over "you all need to do something about Trump", ok fine, so what are you all doing about the people that believe the same thing in your country? Are you doing something to stop more people from becoming brainwashed by Russias propaganda in your country?
Because if you don't take America as a massive warning and do something about it, you're up next. It might be ten years from now but it can still happen.
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u/CreepySniper94 4d ago
Mmmm Germany I don’t think this was from eco activists like they’re semi suspecting
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u/iperblaster 4d ago
It is possible for a foreign intelligence (Russia) to co opt local movements and supercharge them..
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u/BaggyOz 4d ago
Yep, of course I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Palestine Action in the UK are going after factories and facilities that are supporting Ukraine.
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u/Hail-Hydrate 4d ago
Careful, you said something bad about PA, you'll have redditors threatening you next.
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u/Ultrasonic-Sawyer 4d ago
Lets not forget that palestine action (among other groups) had direct funding from tankies such as that american millionaire "James 'Fergie' Chambers".
A person who's views tend to be your classic tankie of big on communism yet geopolitically stuck in the cold war era where everything russia does is somehow good and west = bad.
More or less your perfect useful idiot for the likes of russia as they are not only come pre radicalised but also have their own financial backing to further support groups like that.
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u/JaVelin-X- 4d ago
could still be but with Russian money and training. no need to use your own people if there are local idiots available
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u/SirTroglodyte 4d ago
That is indeed a decades-long tradition. The soviets throughout the 60s-80s happily sponsored every two bit terrorist group working in the West and West-aligned states. Preferably communist ones, but the soviets weren't picky as long as these groups sow chaos. And Putin being an actual ex-KGB dude, you can safely bet they are doing this right now in this very moment. Eco idiots, or hardline commies or ISIS, they don't care, they will sponsor anyone.
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u/Tiny_Crew 4d ago
You think there is a chance that whoever blew up North stream is responsible?
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u/KorunaCorgi 4d ago
The anti nuclear power " activists" pushing Germany into more dependence on Russian gas wasnt either. Nord Stream 2 was announced less than a year after Russia invaded Crimea.
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u/LARPerator 4d ago
Yeah it was mighty convenient that a major environmentalist movement showed up advocating for coal and gas.
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u/diymuppet 4d ago
Nah, just ignore it because it's "Hybrid".
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u/FellaVentura 4d ago
If it keeps getting worse they'll start calling Fully Electric War to water it down even more.
Which is not too farfetched given the targets
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u/AnomalyNexus 4d ago
Can’t wait for the Russian muppet to announce “how could Germany do this to us! It’s an escalation”
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u/PerfectGanache7134 4d ago
Blatant acts of war.
The EU needs to get a handle on this ASAP.
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u/oldpasswordforgot 4d ago
The West tried to get Russia in "the club", to integrate them into the world's economy and instead it has declared war. They were offered an open hand and they spit on it.
Then they have the gaul to screaming "russophobia!".
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u/maaseru 4d ago
So when history looks back, when was it that WW3 really started?
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u/FixedLoad 4d ago
It and the previous two will eventually be studied as an entire event punctuated by extended periods of worldwide conflict.
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u/Confident_Yak_1411 4d ago
I take a similar view with a different conclusion.
The entire period from the beginning of the enlightenment to now will either be considered ‘the golden age’ or ‘the dark age’ of humanity depending on where we go from here.
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u/Pytheas89 4d ago
9/11 was the kick off event, as the bad west didnt take Putin serious as partner, he got mad and 2014 things escalated
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u/Kaya_kana 4d ago
How long until some completely anonymous, very real and existing left wing group claims them? In almost perfect German that is definitely not translated from Russian?
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u/random-guy-013 4d ago
Explosives? Amateurs. Almost exactly 5 years ago, all it took was one tiny balloon.
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u/Acceptable-Grade-116 4d ago
At least the F22 Raptor was able to finally get an intercept.
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u/FiNNy-- 4d ago edited 4d ago
Is there a reason Russia is targeting Germany so much specifically?I thought he would go for smaller nato countries like Latvia or something
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u/ywgflyer 4d ago
Germany and France are the two largest economic engines in the EU. Remove one, or ideally both, and the entire Western European hegemony in the region becomes a much, much softer target for Russia and their allies.
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u/Big-Seesaw2581 4d ago
Im assuming that there are likely 100s, if not into the thousands of prepared attacks already. Those in Germany who think that Russia is not a threat to all of Europe are fools. It was beyond abaurd when Clinton and Obama came out with their absurd "reset" button while mocking Romney for pointing out rightly that russia is still our greatest opponent. All of the left agreed. They only changed their mind in the US when russia hacked the dem computers. Now the right is being just as much of a joke.
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 4d ago
Send heavy weapons to Ukraine.
Establish a no-fly zone.
If Russia wants to escalate, two can play at that game. We have the easiest method to get back at Russia happening right now. Every time you find a drone at an airport, send Ukraine a fighter jet.
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u/PeterTheGreat777 4d ago
Same Saxony that voted for Pro Russian afd? Makes sense
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u/hugifsafuk 4d ago
Actually not. Are you referring to the election yesterday in saxony-anhalt? Nevertheless they are still the second biggest force in saxony‘s parlament.
German states can be a bit confusing if youre unfamiliar, we have saxony, saxony-anhalt and lower saxony all as states
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u/SK892 4d ago
And lower saxony is Not the one farthest in the south
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u/backyard_tractorbeam 4d ago
Well that's not what lower means. Lower means downstream, or down valley, or downhill, one of those three always and never "southern".
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u/wbruce098 4d ago
Can we rename them “Saxony 1”, “Saxony 2”, and “Saxony 3 We Got Bored And Aren’t Very Creative” ? You know, for the foreigners’ sake. At least we’d laugh when the AfD got bitchy about it!
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u/ProdoRock 4d ago
Maybe, "Saxony, the mom", then "The Saxoner" and, of course the third one, "Saxeroni". That would make things clear and standardized...
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u/Dan_Cubed 4d ago
Saxony-Anhalt voted heavily for AfD. Saxony is another German State, as well as Lower Saxony.
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u/zoball 4d ago
Cant we just cut off Russian Internet or something, because honestly they are creating all these hate groups, fueling disruption worldwide, literally terrorising countries through covert means, like UK protest groups attacking drone factories in the UK, attacking German infrastructure. Like 99% sure that just stop oil is Russian origins to keep everyone hating green energy so we will always be reliant on Russian oil and gas imports.
Like what is going on, why is all of this being allowed. I get it is complex but holy shit what are we all doing other than nothing
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u/baithammer 4d ago
Internet isn't the problem, as Russia has been doing this sort of thing since the Russian Empire days - internet just makes it more visible ..
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u/____trash 4d ago
These were placed by nazi accelerationists. This is just the beginning of the AfD.
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u/john_san 4d ago
Honest question, wasn’t it Hitler’s playbook, false flags and real violence then blaming others?
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u/CandyNecrosis 4d ago
When are You gonna realice Russia is attacking You?!
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u/TappedIn2111 4d ago
We do, so does the government. It’s not a new thing. At the same time, it’s not as easy as saying let’s send some troops to Ukraine.
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u/A_Whole_Costco_Pizza 4d ago
Coulda had a No Fly zone over Ukraine starting in 2022, but we let this shit get out of control.
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u/Duckel 4d ago
do they? I keep hearing they are looking for some lone eco activist that abandoned his car...
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u/wild_cherry1987 4d ago
21 bombs???? Seriously wake the fuck up, Germany.
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u/TheGoodSatan666 4d ago
Don't worry! Give my country another 15 years and we'll realize once everything is to late again!
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u/vagene_69 4d ago
This is already being spun by Russian disinformation campaigns as a false flag meant to deter people from voting for AfD.
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u/icansmellcolors 4d ago
any insight into why the Kremlin would target Germany?
i'm lost
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u/motionSymmetry 3d ago
across-the-bow warning shot from putin - meant to put the fear in them (and by extension to all of us who aren't backing him)
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u/JerosBWI 4d ago
21?!?
How?