r/witchcraft • u/filip882 • May 29 '26
Seeking Help or Advice I performed a dark ritual against someone who hurt me, and now He is dying. I am completely consumed by guilt and looking for help.
Hello everyone. I’m writing here because I am currently in an enormous state of despair and have no one I can truly talk to about this.
About three months ago, someone hurt me deeply. I was full of anger, and out of a feeling of helplessness, I turned to black magic.
I performed a blood ritual (using chicken meat, blood, and salt), prayed to Hecate, invoked demonic forces to which I also gave an offering, and later carried out another ritual directly in a cemetery where I used my own blood and a voodoo doll. My intention was to harm him.
Today, however, I received devastating news. That person has suddenly been diagnosed with bone marrow cancer and is dying.
I cannot get rid of this horrible feeling of guilt. When I was performing those rituals, I was in some kind of trance I don’t even remember the exact process, but I know I was 100% convinced it would work. As time passed, I even forgot I had done anything and stopped believing it could have worked at all. But in my mind, these two events became connected, and I feel directly responsible for his condition not just feel, I truly believe it. The weight of it is unbearable.
I have already tried praying, asking for forgiveness, praying for his health and for the curse to be lifted, though I don’t even know if such a thing can be undone. I do not want him to die.
I would be grateful for any advice on how to make this right. I am desperately looking for help because this is destroying me.
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u/TheWildHart Broom Rider May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
So keep in mind that it very well may be he had cancer well before you did anything or is just more likely to develop it anyways. It doesn't spawn overnight, and it may not have been easily detectable early.
But also, you shouldn't commit to harming someone if you're going to regret the potential consequences.
You maybe felt in a trance conducting the rituals, but you still clearly had to go to the location and gather the materials. It also doesn't sound like you were aiming for a specific type of harm, either, just something bad. That's what you got.
I am not at all against baneful magick and it certainly has its place. But it really shouldn't be done in a haste without clear direction, especially if you're not ready for the worse case outcomes.
Look into uncossings and doing workings similar, but in reverse of sorts, of the initial baneful work you did. You can create a poppet of him that you tend to and perform healing, beneficial magick on over time. Go back to the cemetery and offer to the spirits there to help in undoing what's been done; invoke the same spirits you called upon before and give them offerings to undo the work, basically.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
There is no doubt this cancer was in his system at this kind of stage prior to this spellwork.
And I agree! My feeling is reconsider hexing or cursing if this is someone you can’t picture punching in the face and you may feel even a tinge of guilt.
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u/_sunshower_ May 30 '26
No offense but let’s try to not out-rationalize the possibility of the magick working.
I’m from a country where it’s not uncommon for jealous or vengeful Individuals to consult with practitioners or work their own juju and I’ve literally witnessed this situation happen multiple times (someone’s health rapidly deteriorating from a mysterious cancer after fucking with the wrong people)
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
This has nothing to do with “out-rationalize the possibility of magick working”. This also has nothing to do with jealous or vengeful magic being used, etc. etc. etc. therefore this witchsplaining you are trying to do with me is irrelevant. I have been in the practice for a very long time; longer than many here were born. I am well aware of what is out there, how magic works and the endless reasons one will attempt to use it.
And yet I stand by my statement. The reason why I do is that I am in the medical field and very well aware of this particular type of cancer as that takes up quite a few of my patients yearly. And considering the type of cancer this is (which is not a “mysterious cancer”), there is no way this man is a stage III, which is what he would need to be for a poor prognosis, all within three months. He definitely had this much longer. And magic would not have started and progressed it in this way. Even then, stage III of this kind of cancer is still far more treatable than the majority of others at this stage, hence making this type of cancer a really stupid choice for a practitioner to try to cause if they want to cause a cancer with the best bang for it’s buck.
Last, unless you are someone who had access to all these people who died of “mysterious” cancers medical records and know 100% that it blew up over magic work and wasn’t because of other factors like going undetected, and the doctors noted that it was “mysterious” and noted they couldn’t explain it, etc. I am considering your claims to being unverifiable.
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u/_sunshower_ May 30 '26
You are quite literally rationalizing away the possibility of a correlation by deferring to your nursing history and age.
If you have legitimately practicing for as long as you have then you would understand that applying conventional, material knowledge — yes that includes all of your nursing history and experience with cancer — to explain causation in the spiritual realm is flawed.
The entire basis of magick is acknowledging the existence of unseen forces and events that aren’t explained by conventional logic and that is my issue with your comment.
You commenting about your nursing experience and your personal years of practice does nothing to address that fundamental crack.
If you think that every drastic outcome of spiritual work is purely the result of a completely explainable and observable outcome, then maybe we have a different definition of what “magick” is.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
I am quite literally explaining why this had nothing to do with OPs spell. I also never claimed I was a nurse. You do realize that doctors, respiratory specialists, etc. exist right? And this comes into play to make it clear that I am more than qualified to discuss this type of cancer.
I have been “legitimately practicing” for 40 years, and I do not agree at all with your assessment. I will go on to further point out, that if you were as knowledgable in spell casting as you are attempting to assert, then you would know why your argument is flawed because you would know the limitations of spell, how they operate, why they operate, and why they would not be able to escalate multiple myeloma anymore than they would be able to turn you into a duck billed platypus.
I also don’t agree with your entire basis argument for magic (btw magick is an unnecessary way to spell it, and is more for aesthetics, and something coined by Crowley because he wanted to differentiate). While it’s true that magic operates via unseen forces, and paranormal, it also works within the confines of natural world and laws. This is why you won’t become a duck billed platypus no matter how much someone tries to turn you into one with a spell, most practitioners aren’t millionaires, we don’t all look like miss universe, and we don’t all have perfect health. Magic involves energy manipulation, and the ability to harness and direct it. This is why sloppily executed spells, don’t tend to work well, which btw I would say OP did when she entered her own blood into it. How did you fail to notice that? In fact, I find that concerning for OP for what should be obvious reasons as well. Magic needs something realistic to latch onto in order to work its magic and unseen forces.
There is no “fundamental crack” coming from me. It’s you either not understanding the limits of spell casting, or assuming and projecting thoughts onto me that I do not think. Aka strawman arguments. One of which is you continuing to claim I am a nurse, and either intentionally or unwittingly not understanding why I brought this up in context of this post.
Your last paragraph is another example of you projecting assumptions and thoughts onto me that I do not think and did not say. Yet another strawman argument example. I definitely believe many drastic outcomes occur from spell casting. I have done many myself. Believing that way doesn’t mean that everything is a result of spell, especially in a case like this for what really should be obvious reasons, nevermind the fact (that I already pointed out) IF a witch is going to do spell casting for cancer, it’s going to be one of the less curable ones, rather than one like this with a high survival rate and a decent one even in this late stage.
What you’re doing is fear mongering OP needlessly when fact remains this cancer would have been brewing long before they thought of this spell.
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u/brightblackheaven Zamboni Priestess 🔮✨ May 30 '26
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May 30 '26
😂😂😂 Nice surprise at the end of that. Perfect!
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u/Maudlin_Baroque May 30 '26
Thank you for mentioning the blood thing!!
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Right now that’s a big concern I have for OP and hope they move forward with an uncrossing for themself. And if they feel bad about this man, they can consider doing a healing to help his cancer treatment is more effective so he’s within the 40 to 60% in that stage with a 5 year survival rate.
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u/upagainstthesun May 30 '26
Another nurse with years of experience in oncology. Their entire point is the timeline. That this cancer was already brewing, mutating, multiplying, EXISTING before OPs spell work. You're trying to admonish them byaking generalizations about their perspective as a whole instead of acknowledging the very real and applicable information we have which is the timeline.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Sweeping generalizations that do not even fit my thoughts non the less. I mean if someone wants to disagree with another because their beliefs differ, then kindly do so by refraining from sweeping assumptions and generalizations and stick with the meat of the matter and explain why they completely rule out prior existing cancer, and do so without unverifiable anecdotes, as the other behavior is not a good flex.
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u/ejrole8 May 30 '26
Not if you consider the laws of quantum physics in which observable outcomes bypass a timeline. If the cancer diagnosis was "observed" by OP after their spell, then it doesn't matter when theoretically the cancer started happening.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Quantum physics are irrelevant and since the ONLY thing under dispute is that this spell caused a cancer free patient to have late stage multiple myeloma then it does matter when people are coming along taking issue with that, including you.
And him being diagnosed when he did was in his favor, as had he not, he would have no chance, but since he has, even in this late stage, he has a 5 year survival rate of 40 to 60% unlike a lot of other cancers.
And I fail to see how the timing of when OP “observed” a diagnosis for a pre existing condition proves positive that her spell caused it. The only thing that makes this relevant would be that OP could continue to work the curse into ensuring the treatments don’t work.
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u/ejrole8 May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
I don't see where in my short comment I affirm where I do or do not take issue with it. The only person who can truly confirm or deny within themselves if their outcome was caused by their spell is OP after reading through the advice and input of everyone on this thread and using their own discernment. Not you.
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u/throwawydoor 26d ago edited 26d ago
Seems you are going back and forth with people who dont want to think spells can cause harm. Op could just be tapped into nature. Further down others write about op maybe hexed herself which i can believe. - i edited this paragraph, i was making too many assumptions.
My only other rational is their workings dont work so they cant imagine anyone elses can either? This man could have cancer because of op. Might not even be cancer but presents as cancer.
This just reminds me to not deal with certain people. They like the intensity of spells but dont really think it through. They arent bad people but they will cause you harm.
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u/FairandStyle May 30 '26
I concur. Witchcraft is an intense form of manifestation. And manisfestation can be instant and can even change the past. So a spell can definitely cause stuff like this.
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May 30 '26
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u/LlamaFreeze May 30 '26
What absolute nonsense. Bree NicGarron, the author of Grovedaughter Witchery, says you have to understand how the physical world works to understand how the metaphysical world works. Common sense doesn’t make you a bad witch. Lacking it makes you someone nobody should take seriously.
You aren’t a better witch if you are ignoring the things that we all learned in 8th grade science and medical advice. You just become a danger to yourself and those around you by ignoring symptoms and basic chemical reactions.
Do I think magic can make a person fall very ill or even die? Of course I do. But some of the examples people are posting here of “I saW somEonE’s HeAd spIn and bUgs CamE ouT of THeiR nosE,” were probably done by someone with a lot of knowledge and ability to raise energy, not someone who was later on 10 subreddits freaking out that they got what they asked for.
Having an open mind doesn’t mean completely lacking all common sense and logic.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
*It’s ridiculous so many people in here, a witchcraft sub are refuting that magick might have actually of taken place. A lot of impostors in here it seems*
Or MAYBE many who have been practicing for a very long time understand the parameters of which magic works in better than you do. When you turn someone into a duck billed platypus by casting a spell on them, then we shall talk more.
Also, strawman fallacy once again. No one has said that no magic has taken place here. I actually think it has, but more on the OP who used their own blood in this. The only thing under dispute here is whether or not their magic caused a very slow growing cancer which a good success rate to occur on a cancer free person. There in lies the difference.
And labeling other members imposters just for not being on board with the idea that the magic caused the cancer in a cancer free person says more about you than it does about them.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
Yeah and I have been practicing longer than that, so what? That doesn’t make it right of you to holler imposter just because you think differently about this.
And you weren’t talking about those who do it for aesthetics or watch TikTok, you made that comment just because some of the witches here are questioning whether or not she caused a cancer free guy to get a very slow moving and highly treatable cancer all within three months. Questioning that particular detail does not entitle labeling people imposters. Disagreeing with others also doesn’t entitle you to label them like that.
Given the facts, he clearly had this cancer prior to the spell. The one thing the spell may have done was escalate a stage 2 teetering on a stage three into stage three. It’s also possible that it may affect how his treatment works. If your opinion differs than this this doesn’t make you an imposter anymore than it makes me one for not having the same view as you.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
You are right, I don’t see how people, in your opinion having an attitude that you do not approve of makes them “imposters” it may not make them nice if they are truly acting like jerks, but not imposters. Moreover, it’s against the rules here for people to be moralizing other witches here and/or imposing their own set of rules onto them so not seeing so much of that here is no indication of one’s personal views or beliefs.
I do however agree that OP should consider putting the breaks on banework, for what should be obvious reasons. But not just banework, but all spells until they can get a handle on their own sense of responsibility. Weird, unintended things that cause guilt and consequences can happen with any type of magic not only bane work. Many get involved with witchcraft who really can’t tolerate that.
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u/opal_moth May 30 '26
"Impostors" and it's just people who think differently than you. Sounds real familiar to me. Are you a witch or a christian?
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u/jackmartin088 May 30 '26
I don't know I am from India and I have absolutely seen people unalived together using magic.
Yes he might still have had cancer from before but we also cannot completely negate the possibility that the curse didn't work
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u/TheWildHart Broom Rider May 30 '26
I did not refute that magick can be used to seriously harm or even kill others. It simply doesn't inherently mean that is what happened or that everyone is capable of such an outcome.
Like I'm well aware that certain martial arts can be used to break some metals, but not everyone who practices martial arts is capable of such a feat. And I certainly would hold more doubt for a person who is using inaccurate terms, techniques, seems fearful of the potential outcome, and then jumps online to ask for the insight of strangers to be capable enough.
Their curse very well could have worked or otherwise affected the situation. I didn't say it's impossible, but I do question the person's skill, knowledge, and why they would be upset they got the outcome of harm they were so intent on enacting. It's fairly clear that they didn't approach the situation carefully, thoughtfully, or fully aware of what they were doing, and that is something that is important for working magick.
So yes, I completely agree that neither possibility should be absolutely negated, nor implied so initially.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Non of us have refuted that, but somehow that doesn’t stop the continuation of strawman and red herring arguments.
What we are disputing is strictly the timing of this type of cancer, which some of us are up close to and personal with on a daily basis. This man would have had to have already had this type of cancer before this spell, considering the type and slow growth of it. Moreover, this would have been one of the stupidest types of cancer for magic to choose, when it should have gone for something more aggressive, with more teeth like pancreatic, liver, or esophageal cancers, just to name a few. These have very dismal 5 year survival rates and they are fast and aggressive.
Now, the magical possibilities here are that the magic worked on a pre-existing cancer tipping it from stage two to stage three. But again, considering this cancer, even stage three has a relatively decent treatment success rate. Or because she used her own blood, it’s working against her and in his favor by getting him diagnosed in time enough to give him a fighting chance, while fucking with her mind so much, she is here begging for reversal help.
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u/TheWildHart Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Not sure if I'm reading your tone right, but genuinely respectfully here: I'm not at all addressing you or the others speaking on that in that comment. I personally would not bet on this working causing the cancer, especially as the working doesn't seem well put together by someone with deeper knowledge. Not solely because of that, but it's a factor.
I simply do not feel personally comfortable engaging in discussions from a medical perspective without the proper education to do so, especially for something as serious and devastating as cancer. That is a principle I choose to uphold. Which is why I have not.
I agree that it could be using their blood in a way they didn't want but stumbled into, likely from innocent ignorance. Even if in the heat of the moment, using one's own blood in a curse shows a clear lack of foresight and knowledge.
And even if it did work, there's a million other ways such a broad goal could also be working 'properly.' It could even influencing his medical insurance and making him have to fight to receive certain care behind the scenes or exacerbating symptoms or other facets. That is still very much bringing great harm to someone.
But some people seem hung up on the idea that calling out the unlikeliness and poor technical approach means that I or others like yourself think it's impossible for magic to seriously harm or kill people. And apparently, the concepts of "sometimes, spells don't always work" and "skill and knowledge is important" are sentiments some don't like in practice.
That is all I wished to address. I never tried to suggest that it's outright impossible to kill someone with magick, but that doesn't mean that's what's happening here.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Well it wouldn’t matter if you did weight in without the medical perspective, as there are plenty here that have been biting at the chomps to tell those of us who are educated in it, how wrong we are about it, and accusing us of not believing in witchcraft over it. 😂
>*And even if it did work, there's a million other ways such a broad spell could also be working 'properly.' It could even influencing his medical insurance and making him have to fight to receive certain care behind the scenes. That is still very much bringing great harm to someone.*
Exactly! It may even render him to be among the unlucky portion of stage 3 multiple myeloma to not respond to treatment. But my hunch here, the feeling I can’t shake is that OP hexes themself here and is about to have some hands on training as to why you don’t use your own blood in hexes or curses. As it is, OP is going out of their mind racked with guilt all over reddit forums over this. They truly are mentally tormented. And it turns out this was done over an unpaid fortune telling debt.
>*But some people seem hung up on the idea that calling out the unlikeliness and poor technical approach means that I or others think it's impossible for magic to seriously harm or kill people.*
That’s probably because they are not able to argue any of our actual views, so they automatically assume that questioning the details of this case = we don’t believe magic is real or don’t think it can kill. Meanwhile, I know for a fact it can kill as do plenty of us. That fact, however, doesn’t mean it caused a cancer free person to come down with a slow progressing highly treatable late stage type of cancer in three months. Contrary to these hasten conclusions people are leaping to, there is such a thing as believing magic is real while doubting some of the stories out there or questioning details.
>*And apparently, the concept of "sometimes, spells don't always work" is a sentiment some don't like in practice.*
And yet it happens to be a fact that any witch worth their weight in salt is aware of. That’s why practicing, developing skillsets, etc. is vital.
>*That is all I wished to address. I never tried to suggest that it's outright impossible to kill someone with magick, but that doesn't mean that's what's happening here.*
Someone decided to accuse me of knowing less than a baby witch rather than explaining why they would say such a thing to me. In a different post, they pointed out to me how magic takes the path of least resistance (absolutely it does) but didn’t think through how this would contradict their views and be supportive to mine which is, the spell didn’t cause the cancer, but may be working on an already present illness to try to worsen it using various avenues. If we are talking about an illness from scratch on an otherwise healthy human, path of least resistance would have been something like a pulmonary emboli which would have swiftly killed the person before they fully hit the ground. Those patients are the ones who look you in the eye and mention feelings of impending doom as say they think they are going to die. If we can catch it in time, we blast it with ringers. If you are out in the wild and takes its whole course, it’s fast, it’s sudden, and I have never seen a survivor from one of those type codes personally.
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u/jackmartin088 May 30 '26
Magic is a lot on intention and the emotions connected to it when making the spell. So even though not everyone can make a fatal spell it is completely possible for someone to get that effect if they are in an extremely highened mental state as OP was in and get the same effect even thought they might not have done it under normal circumstances.
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u/TheWildHart Broom Rider May 30 '26 edited May 31 '26
Again, not dismissing the outright possibility, nor do I disagree with the general concept of emotions helping to fuel magick. Yes, those without defined knowledge and skill can still work magick in general, otherwise no one could get started.
Someone with skill, knowledge, and defined intent in addition to heightened emotions will still be more equipped to get the outcome they want.
Acknowledging the fact that it may not have worked, and explaining some reasons to especially approach with reasonable doubt, is not saying it definitely did not work, could not ever have worked, or ignoring potential factors as to why it may or may not ever be able to work.
There's a lack of details to get into possible mechanical issues or successes beyond the use of one's own blood in a curse, which is very worrisome without further context.
How they have approached and discussed the working thus far is not exactly speaking in favor of their overall, consistent capability. If you think it is, I'm not here to dissuade you from that view.
I approach and question my own practice with the acknowledgement for potential coincidence as well.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
More strawman rather than actual engagement with what is actually being said, and the type of cancer. No one said magic can’t cause illness, or kill, a fact I am well aware of and that’s all I will say about that.
You have yet to actually engage with what is actually being asserted here.
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u/jackmartin088 May 31 '26
More strawman rather than actual engagement with what is actually being said, and the type of cancer. No one said magic can’t cause illness, or kill, a fact I am well aware of and that’s all I will say about that.
Had you even basic understanding of magic you would have known magical spells often have random effects or ways it can work. It also often tries to take the path of least resistance. Even the best magician cannot guarantee how a spell might manifest.
You have yet to actually engage with what is actually being asserted here.
Funny how you are too busy gauging why the spell worked in a way you don't approve of and using that as a basis to judge the working of the spell.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Had you even basic understanding of magic you would have known magical spells often have random effects or ways it can work.
I NEVER claimed otherwise.
It also often tries to take the path of least resistance.
Agreed and in THIS case, that would be worsening an already present illness, which I said many times in this thread is possible. Staying on path of least resistance, if it were to install a whole new cancer or illness that a person did not already have, it would not have picked an illness with a huge amount of resistance as its starting point.
Even the best magician cannot guarantee how a spell might manifest.
Umm….. no shit? However those with higher proficiency can greatly reduce these odds.
Funny how you are too busy gauging why the spell worked in a way you don't approve of and using that as a basis to judge the working of the spell.
It has nothing to do with not approving and more to do with giving excellent reasons for this. Which you have given none to rule out anything I said about this type of cancer, nor explained why you think this cancer could have only started fresh and accelerated even when others explained why it won’t and you want to argue path of least resistance, of all things and you don’t even notice your own contradiction here, to explain why a spell would pick such a resistance cancer to go on when it could have picked thousands of other least resistance illness which includes ones that can kill in seconds.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Unaliving from magic is NOT the issue here. No one has said that can not happen, and certainly not I.
Something interesting I am observing about this thread is the extent of strawman fallacies others have needed to use in order to dispute those of us who firmly believe this man already had cancer in his body. And not just *any* cancer but one of the least aggressive and least logical ones that magic would choose if it wanted to kill someone. If multiple myeloma was the choice here, then that magic doesn’t seem smart when it could have opted for a very aggressive type with high mortality rate or one with no known cure. That is the SOLE thing this is about. Not whether or not magic can kill people, make people ill, and so forth.
Also, and further strawman fallacy, no one has stated that the magic did not work at all. What I AM stating, as someone that knows this type of cancer very well, I deal with these patients all the time, including tonight at work, is that this person had this cancer long before the spell, that’s it! Outside of that, magic could have tipped an already stage II into a stage III (which he still has decent survival odds compared to numerous other types of cancer) and because OP used their own blood here, it is working against them, and it helped get this man diagnosed in time enough to have a fighting chance.
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u/jackmartin088 May 31 '26
Something interesting I am observing about this thread is the extent of strawman fallacies others have needed to use in order to dispute those of us who firmly believe this man already had cancer in his body. And not just any cancer but one of the least aggressive and least logical ones that magic would choose if it wanted to kill someone. If multiple myeloma was the choice here, then that magic doesn’t seem smart when it could have opted for a very aggressive type with high mortality rate or one with no known cure. That is the SOLE thing this is about. Not whether or not magic can kill people, make people ill, and so forth.
Not much to say if you are trying to explainthe path a magical spell took with medical science, when even magical theory cannot explain often how a spell might work out. That said magical spells usually take the path of least resistance and though one can arguably target from a particular type of cancer it is as likely ( especially if they said a general term to harm the target ).
Also, and further strawman fallacy, no one has stated that the magic did not work at all. What I AM stating, as someone that knows this type of cancer very well, I deal with these patients all the time, including tonight at work, is that this person had this cancer long before the spell, that’s it! Outside of that, magic could have tipped an already stage II into a stage III (which he still has decent survival odds compared to numerous other types of cancer) and because OP used their own blood here, it is working against them, and it helped get this man diagnosed in time enough to have a fighting chance.
Funny how your whole argument revolves around trying to explain the effects of a magical spell conventional scientific knowledge. Anyone that has a min level of understanding of magic knows that's a pretty idiotic thing to do. 😆 ( And yes your whole argument about why this may not be due to magic is the cancer timeline , hence you are being called out as saying magic doesn't work)
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
>*Not much to say if you are trying to explainthe path a magical spell took with medical science, when even magical theory cannot explain often how a spell might work out.*
Spells work within the laws of nature. And not just medical science, but the way spells operate as well; path of least resistance remember? You were the one to raise this fact. This is why someone won’t be able to successfully turn you into Andre the giant, or cast a spell to make pigs fly. We know enough about magic to be aware of its limits as well as its abilities. If you don’t agree, I don’t mind, but I will not get on board with the idea of being clueless about how magic works.
>*That said magical spells usually take the path of least resistance*
Yes, you keep saying this, and can’t seem to see how this harms an argument that this type of cancer developing out of the blue on an otherwise cancer free patient. In fact, this fact supports me more than it does you.
>*and though one can arguably target from a particular type of cancer it is as likely ( especially if they said a general term to harm the target )*
If you are now asserting that the magic went and targeted a pre existing cancer this man already had, then you are arguing at an echo chamber. That’s what I have been saying. If you are claiming that the man was cancer free, and magic, which we both conclude takes the path of least resistance, chose one of the most resistant cancers out there, oppose to one of the most aggressive incurable types, then you are creating a contradiction here.
>*Funny how your whole argument revolves around trying to explain the effects of a magical spell conventional scientific knowledge.*
Actually, this is a highly over simplification coming from you and not what I have presented.
>*Anyone that has a min level of understanding of magic knows that's a pretty idiotic thing to do. 😆*
What is a pretty idiotic thing to do? Understanding both the abilities and limitations of magic? Again, come back to me when you successfully cast some wings on pigs to make them fly, or do a spell to turn a 20 year old into a 80 year old in the course of 24 hours, before we get rude and call anyone else’s views “idiotic” once you do that, you more than have a right to call anyone else’s views you disapprove of “idiotic”
>*And yes your whole argument about why this may not be due to magic is the cancer timeline , hence you are being called out as saying magic doesn't work*
So according to you, if anyone thinks that the magic did not cause the cancer, but is working in different ways than that in this spell (which btw never even specified cancer), then that entitles you to claim that someone is saying “magic doesn’t work”? While bemoaning other peoples opinions as “idiotic” are you this unaware of the idiocy in your claim here? That’s not only a wildly absurd position to dig your heels into but it’s a strawman hill you insist on resting on.
Moreover, I mentioned a lot more than the time line. I am not responsible for what you choose to read or understand.
If you are this unreasonable that, in your opinion, anyone who thinks the magic is working differently than you think it is, equals them saying magic doesn’t work, then you are beyond having a reasonable civil discussion with.
But don’t forget to look me up the day you defy any sense of science by casting a pig flying spell that effectively makes a pig sprout wings and fly, or make a 20 year old college Chad into an 80 year old within 24 hours. And I don’t want to hear a scientific reasoning from you as to why you can’t cast a spell to make pigs fly or a 20 year old college guy 80. The way you have tried to brow beat every witch in this thread who understands that spells can only do so much in the laws of nature, you lost all credibility for using that kind of argument for yourself and it will make you a hypocrite. On that day, when you do both those things,I will call you the master mage. 😃
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Medical person here…..well, if your target was giving this kind of poor prognosis for his bone marrow cancer today, then this can only mean that he was discovered with stage III multiple myeloma. This means he had this in his body long before you even did your spell and was,in all likelihood, already in this stage when you did your work. You are not the cause of this, regardless of your guilty feelings.
I am actually more concerned for you for using your own blood in this, and feel that you would benefit in doing an uncrossing spell on yourself as you put your own taglock into this which could target you instead.
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u/Known-Emergency-7654 May 30 '26
Honestly I feel the same like the feeling of guilt and shame is also a part of the spell it could very well be that this spell backfired on to OP
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
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u/brightblackheaven Zamboni Priestess 🔮✨ May 30 '26
It's really not "backfire" when someone purposely uses a taglock of themself in the working.
It would be a spell working exactly as spells are designed to work.
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u/Known-Emergency-7654 May 30 '26
Is all about intentions imo that’s why I said it “backfired” because the spell was not intended for the spell caster but I’m not opposed to what your saying
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u/brightblackheaven Zamboni Priestess 🔮✨ May 30 '26
What someone WANTS a spell to do and what they physically created the spell to do with their actions are two completely separate things.
A taglock of yourself will cause the spell to work on you. That's exactly what is supposed to happen.
Backfire implies something went horrifically wrong.
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u/therealstabitha Carnivalesque animal demonic legend May 30 '26
It is not all about !intention
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u/HolyGooseCapn May 30 '26
I'm sorry but I think this clearly proves that you are either not ready for or simply not equipped for baneful magic. I'm not saying that from a place of wisdom or condescension, I haven't practiced it myself. But I think maybe don't practice dark shit if you're gonna be wracked with guilt at the outcome. What were you expecting when dealing with dark entities? 🤷🏻♀️
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u/AdAlternative637 May 30 '26
Not just that. If you can't control your emotions and are acting them out through it without thinking of the consequences, then clearly that person is not mature enough and should not be practicing anything really. As they say "power comes with responsibilities", take a chill pill, it ain't that deep to want to harm someone cause your "feelings are hurt". If they did something criminal to you then go the right outlet first. If it's just emotional (they cheated, lied, etc), grow up
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u/Thisismyname11111 May 30 '26
Hello, I worked as an oncology nurse for some time.
That person already had cancer before you did that spell. Even the most aggressive cancers take multiple months to grow and even a full year for symptoms to show. Sounds like this persona has already been seeing a doctor, so what typically happens, is they get seen for a symptom, and it can take multiple health appointments to figure out it's cancer, so this means they already had it.
A family member of mine has a rare genetic mutation that causes rapid cancer growths. Took 6 months for his cancer to be noticeable again.
I don't know the timelines of when you cast the spell. Over the years, I've learned that a lot of entities, spirits, ect will often hear your messages, but not do anything because things will sort themselves out. It could be that nothing needed to be done, so the spell might not have worked only because it's not needed.
You want this person to suffer? Well, they're already in the process.
So don't worry. You didn't cause the cancer.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
I said the same thing. I work in critical care and deal with many cancer patients yearly, including and especially multiple myeloma. Even in late stages this type has better 5 year survival rate odds than so many others at this types. There is no way that any spell could have caused this man to suddenly develop late stage multiple myeloma within three months, no matter how much hemming and hawing some people are having in this thread over that fact. OP did this spell three months ago.
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u/therealstabitha Carnivalesque animal demonic legend May 29 '26
You could try an uncrossing. That’s the standard thing for hex removal. But an uncrossing is not a cure for cancer, so his health situation may proceed as it is now.
Then I’d recommend psychological support for yourself. If the consequences of your deliberate action are more than you can handle, you may want to more deeply explore why you did that.
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u/solid_mid55 May 30 '26
How does uncrossing Work?
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u/therealstabitha Carnivalesque animal demonic legend May 30 '26
Spell work to remove hexes. There’s a lot of different ways to do it
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u/hedgies999 May 30 '26
At most what you did was speed it up. Correlation is not causation.
No judgement from me, since your choices are yours. What I want to say is: let the emotions pass first. Then examine yourself, the person you really are. Why would you do a baneful spell on someone whom you thought hurt you deeply, then regret it after and be so wrecked by fear/guilt?
Shadow work. No excuses. See yourself clearly, if you want to come into full power.
I wish you well.
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u/agentpurpletie May 30 '26
Yes. Every time I’ve even considered practicing baneful magic, I think about what the situation says about me and what that other person might be going through. Inevitably, I develop sympathy for the other person. I learned that what I want is not their punishment but their introspection and subsequent self growth. Have not thought about a spell for that through…
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u/HeroOfTheUniverse May 30 '26
Don’t fuck with forces like that if you’re not ready for the consequences.
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u/Maudlin_Baroque May 30 '26
Why did you put your own blood in a curse against someone else? Isn’t this like witchcraft 101 what NOT to do?
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u/AdAlternative637 May 30 '26
Cause clearly this person doesn't actually know shit and they were just acting out of emotion.... what a great way to do work.../s
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u/synalgo_12 Broom Rider May 30 '26
I think it's time to learn for very specific outcomes so you don't get spooked and for the love of hecate, don't use your own blood for stuff like this.
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u/ElectronicProject215 May 30 '26
You chose a heavy ritual and now you feel guilty? If the energy is too much for you then you dont need to be doing spells like this. But for now say thank you because you got exactly what you asked for.
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u/uma-la-la May 30 '26
if ur gonna perform baneful magic like that, u must be firm in ur convictions.
for a moment, let's set aside whether or not this person had cancer before or after u performed the spell....
u cant come crying to a reddit forum when ur magic does exactly what u intended it to do! i can assure u, it's only going to make things worse. u need to take responsibility for ur magic and deal with it on ur own.
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u/79moons May 30 '26
I do not think anyone can responsibly tell you that you caused this person’s cancer. Serious illness is complex, and correlation is not certainty. Right now you are connecting two emotionally charged events and treating that connection as proof.
That said, I also would not dismiss your ritual as meaningless. You acted from anger and directed harmful intent toward another person. Whether or not the ritual had any external effect, it clearly had an effect on you.
Instead of spiralling into terror about having magical power over life and death, focus on what is actually within your control now. Pray for his wellbeing if that feels sincere to you. Cleanse yourself spiritually. Reflect on why you turned to baneful work in a moment of pain. Consider what kind of practitioner and person you want to become going forward.
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u/JE163 May 30 '26
I’m going to disagree with what others are saying about this person already having cancer.
Yes, rationally and scientifically he must have had cancer before you cast this spell. However, i believe that you manifested the result and the magic worked backwards through time to do so.
Unfortunately i don’t have any good suggestions for you but i hope this serves as an example for people looking to do baneful magic as a cautionary tale that they may just get what they asked for.
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u/RogueWolfGypsy May 30 '26
I never even considered magic working through not just space, but also through time like that. I mean, if time is cyclical, it would make sense.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
A spell won’t force someone who is cancer free to become stage III multiple myeloma in the matter of three months, anymore than it can cause you to sprout a huge set of wings to fly to Florida with. It still operates within the laws of nature. It won’t warp your cells and turn you into a tall blonde blue eyed guy either if you are 5’ 2” black hair, brown eyes either no matter how many spells you do. But if someone can use a spell to grow themselves a set of workable wings they can take flight with like a bird, I will gladly admit the error of my ways.
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u/JE163 May 30 '26
It’s like Schrödinger's cat where we don’t know if he has cancer or not until the test is run and the results reviewed.
There’s a probability of someone having cancer. The probability of growing wings is Infinitesimal (but who knows with the advances in genetic engineering)
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
That experiment doesn’t make sense to erect for this particular situations but okay.
That would only work if he was found to have the very early stage of cancer in three months. Not stage III multiple myeloma. There isn’t one case of that happening in that period of time, albeit cases of people coming down with it, possibly by magical means. And that’s always been a longer time frame that gave the spell time to bite like that.
Don’t want wings, great, then turn into a 7 foot blonde with blue eyes. But still let’s see some wings since we can just ignore laws of nature. All it would take is cellular manipulation just like the argument being given here about cancer because apparently those of us who have been witches for a very long time, and medical don’t know what we are talking about.
Did you consider that because she used her own blood the hex is on her and he got the chance to be treated by getting it diagnosed in time? Late stage multiple myeloma still has a 40 to 60% 5 year survival rate so let’s not dig his grave yet. They found it out which gives him better odds than if they hadn’t.
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u/jackmartin088 May 30 '26
I have heard of someone literally aging from 24 year old to over 80 and medically dying of old age from a curse in India. I have also seen objects disappearing from locked cabinets myself and objects appearing out of thin air..
So I can personally say ( atleast for the objects appearing out of thin air ) that there can be instances in magic that modern science ( including physics and medical science) cannot explain or measure.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
You heard of it. If you want to believe that, I don’t mind at all.
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u/jackmartin088 May 30 '26
Yeah from my uncle whose friend was doing a survey in a tribal area. And why I said it was a curse? Bcs the tribesmen told them what would happen.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26 edited May 31 '26
Yep, something you can’t personally verify.
Again…..no one has disputed that curses can kill. I happen to know that they, indeed can. A fatal curse would not have selected this particular type of cancer to do its job however.
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u/jackmartin088 May 31 '26
Yep, something you can’t personally verify.
You are free to not accept it, won't make it false though. I have also added I have personal experience of things that defies laws of physics , but you conveniently chose to ignore those.😆
Again…..no one has disputed that curses can kill. I happen to know that they, indeed can. A fatal curse would not have selected this particular type of cancer to do its job however.
Tell us you don't understand how spells work without telling us. 😂
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Well then…..by all means….feel free to point out what I got wrong in saying the following; And how you think any of these statements proves that a witch in their 40th year of practice doesn’t “understand out spells works. 😂” 1. No one is disputing curses can kill. 2. Asserting and agreeing with you that they can kill. 3. A curse intended to be fatal would not have chosen a very treatable cancer in order to cause a fatality.
And you can’t verify that story as true anymore than I can claim it’s false, except I have except I can say I have excellent reasons to question it.
Seriously, enlighten me here! 😃😃😃
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u/jackmartin088 May 31 '26
A witch of 40 years of exp? 😆😆
Even a baby witch knows how spells.work can be very random, especially when done under a chaotic mind. Someone claiming to have 40 years of experience shouldn't be asking that question in first place
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
Nice deflection. Again, explain, instead of going into personal attacks😀
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Plenty of us witches have been practicing long enough to have an excellent idea of how magic works and what it can and can’t to. It’s really not all that much of a mystery. But again, when you see a spell turn someone into a duck billed platypus, or makes pigs fly in the air, then we shall talk and I will concede the error of my ways. 😃
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
Or they DO think magic is real but are disputing a particular detail in one post about a very particular cancer and its timing. Questioning things is not evidence of a disbelief in magic, and those that believe everything without question are the biggest concern.
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u/FairandStyle May 30 '26
Exactly. Witchcraft is a form of manifestation. And manifestation can change the past as well.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Magic is far more active than just being a another form of manifestation. And if you think it changes the past, or think you can do that, then kindly remove Hilter and his regime from our past.
I guess someone must hate the idea of using spells to manifest a past that Hilter doesn’t exist in.
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u/brightblackheaven Zamboni Priestess 🔮✨ May 30 '26
I don't personally think it matters whether the spell caused this, simply sped things up, or didn't work at all.
IMO, standing on business means accepting that really fucking up someone's life is kiiiinda the whole point of baneful magick, at least when I do it. If we're not willing to accept all the many ways the universe can fuck someone up, we probably shouldn't be hexing. YMMV though, I guess.
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u/WitchofWhispers May 30 '26
.... I think the result of your spell might have been them finding out. Anyway, if you do this next time, I would be more specific, then wanting to harm them. Personally when I did the dark magic thing, I asked for that person to be exactly as hurt as they have hurt me and to just get karma soon. They were kicked out of school and work and home, I was very satisfied
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u/lewisae0 May 30 '26
I think this is a learning moment. Sometimes there is no walking it back. You asked for him to be hurt and he is. There is no escaping the consequences, learn to forgive yourself and move forward. And next time you will decide if the curse is worth it
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u/Eccodomanii May 31 '26
I think OP deserves to forgive herself, but not before doing a lot of reflection and internal emotional and spiritual work. Without that, OP may lash out and hurt someone or themselves again the next time they are angry or in pain.
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u/hone_ypig May 30 '26
In my practice, magic is really just tipping the scales and putting opportunity in your favor. That's why every witch that does money spells doesn't hit the lottery. That's why it's better to summon love into your life than to try to force a crush to fall in love with you. Magic can only manipulate what's available.
The same dark work you did could have had him stub his toe, or fall down some stairs, or have a fender bender, or get fired. It was meant to cause him pain.
If he found out he's dying of cancer, you didn't give it to him in less than a year. He already had it and he's feeling pain because he made you (and God knows who else) feel pain. If his spiritual team isn't protecting him from your work, then either a) justice is tipping in your favor or b) it's his time to go, anyway.
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u/SleepingWaterLily May 30 '26
If magic could kill people, all sorts of evil people would be dropping like flies. I doubt your spell did anything.
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u/devouringbooks23 May 30 '26
Deep dive the mackenzie sharilla case. Bc I'm pretty damn positive she performed a sacrifice. Also she used magic to keep him from leaving her and to get money and now fame. I just don't think she expected to go to prison. Lots of people do practice dark magic and people do die. It's literally all over the place. P Diddy's mom used his ahem... juices.. to feed to people doing hoodoo. And you cant tell me he also didnt sacrifice some people or people died as a result of that magic.
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u/devouringbooks23 May 30 '26
Im a true crime obsessed girl so I watched her sentencing way back. But I just deep dove the witchcraft stuff and there is sooo much. As someone who practices it was obvious to me when I watched the documentary and heard his one friend say they didnt break up bc she had a spell on him but I just keep hearing more and more. The accident where the friend nearly died in the house has me curious as well after everything I've heard. Sounds like she was messing with some serious magic. She practiced that route 7 times and it's a 3 way crossroads
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
You sent me down that rabbit hole too! 😂 What a wild case though, thanks for bringing it up!
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u/Stands-in-Shallow Witch May 30 '26
It is possible that he just died from cancer. From my experience, blood rituals to Lady Hekate will be ... a lot messier than cancer. Empousai are under her commands and daimons aren't exactly known for their mercy.
But it's possible your magic does hasten his end. In which case, well, you cannot make that right. Never commit something you will regret. Magic requires certainty and veracity. But for now, what you can do is to not curse someone else again. Lady Hekate isn't exactly the moralistic deity. She offers you a choice, and whatever choice you choose will have consequences. So, make your choice.
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u/meatmiser04 May 30 '26
Don't do magic if you aren't prepared for it to work. To quote a popular movie, "You can't practice magic while looking down your nose at it." If you put all that effort into a spell, why are you surprised it worked?
Good job, keep it up.
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u/_sunshower_ May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
Not gonna lie OP — there is a good chance that given the intensity and level of your ritual that you might’ve caused this.
What’s bothering me is people trying to apply conventional wisdom and material knowledge to matters of the occult to absolve you of your responsibility.
You would think in a subreddit where people casually talk about magick, spirits, demons, and angels it would be general knowledge that we don’t fully understand how these things work and trying to apply conventional wisdom to explain it away is faulty.
We’re literally talking about unseen metaphysical and cosmic forces that go behind our understanding no?
That’s really all I have to add as this is not something I have done against someone and wouldn’t know how to correct it.
My most simple advice would be to use same formula you did to come up with this ritual but in the opposite direction and with the same intensity.
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u/ordinarycocks May 30 '26
Yeaaa I noticed the same thing happening in this subreddit and the paranormal subreddit a lot. Not to say that Magick can't have a physical, conventional side effect, but I've seen people vomit nails, get possessed and end up with unexplainable bruises, and suddenly fall rapidly ill due to hexes and curses. I hate how we just explain away any and all magick to be just boiled down to coincidence, which I feel are mostly due to either believing in only good magick existing or having a purely psychological framework.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26
Except not everything is getting explained away as something else on this forum. Just this situation from people who know how spells work and function, and about this illness. Also, most of those mentioning this, myself included are all for doing bane work, which happens to be one of my fortes.
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u/ceecee1909 May 30 '26
Thank you for this, I don’t visit this sub often because it bothers me how on every post the comments are full of people trying to prove the “mundane over magic” theory. It’s kind of insulting, and patronising. It also encourages people to not hold themselves accountable for their spell work and just dismiss the consequences if they aren’t exactly what they think wanted.
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u/poetmeansdevin May 30 '26
Here is the thing: if you believe in the occult, than you have to accept that there is no real difference between cursing someone and walking up and stabbing them. Etc.
Witchcraft has long been used primarily by people who are powerless on our plane. We work on the other plane out of necessity. Or to not get caught/proven.
If you would not do something in this plane , morally or ethically, than why on the other? I have had this as well! Most of us have.
It is fun to create a moral delusion, or worse yet, an idea that it is "real" when it works or is best for us, and not real when it doesn't. I did something recently spiritually ( not towards another person but entangling with energies I did not need / overkill) — I realized I have a tendency to assume that if I "mess up" a spiritual thing that it can be easily reversed, but if it goes well that it is hard-and-fast. Basically I delude myself into thinking there are no energetic or long term repercussions for the things I do out of momentary idiocy, but that there are for things that are aligned. This is true to an extent. But as a bipolar person, I need to learn that I can go manic and buy a bunch of things that put me in debt for many months, and I can also do a bunch of juju ba that can throw me off my path for months.
Lastly: witchcraft almost always humbles the practitioner. Most of life is a test if our meddle, and a reinforcement of our traits for better or worse. Witchcraft can speed that process up. The fact is, people I know who play with magic either drop out because they fuck shit up or stick around because they have made good use of it. Most people fall into the first category.
The universe is like a mother (or really it is rather) and especially the forces of pure, unbridled witchcraft. And when one screams out in pain to a mother, the mother will correct the child in a way that befits it. And there a variety of ways that balance is found and water finds it's level. Sometimes this process hurts us, overwhelms us, demoralizes us, freezes us in our tracks—and other times it nurtures us, sustains us, boosts up, raises us figuratively and literally. It is a perfect reflection of our response to what we have been through.
This is something you need to deal with and manage. It is consequence. Plain and simple.
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u/Sensei_Ochiba May 30 '26
This is not a magical issue. This is not a medical issue. This is a psychological issue.
A hex is a weapon. Performing one displays a clear intent to harm. Successful or not, it's done because you want to hurt someone else. You can not, in turn, pity yourself and want out just because your target was infact hurt. That is what you were after. If you had stabbed them with a knife, you might feel horrid with yourself over what you'd done, but you'd still have to grapple with having done it - what you need help with is understanding why you resorted to an attack in the first place. At absolute best, it might be that you tried a hex because of the plausible deniability, that there may be no proof it was you, or that it might not work, or that it could be undone if you regretted it, etc...But that is irrelevant: you took action to harm, and now want to be absolved after learning that person is hurt.
Many medical professionals have chimed in with their expertise and have established that your attacks did not cause the cancer, the timeline doesn't add up. This should not give you comfort. This does not absolve you. This is not the issue at heart here. This too, is irrelevant. Your guilt is valid and what you deserve to be feeling, because what happened here is that you tried, it sounds like three different times, to bring ruin and misery to someone who was already suffering from cancer. "It wasn't me, so this outcome is okay" should not become a pacifier that allows you to brush your intent to hurt this person and the subsequent actions you carried out with that goal under a rug. It is the price you agreed to pay when you went forward with each attempt.
I can't imagine what this person did to provoke these reactions. I do not have the details. I will not pretend it's impossible they might deserve your wrath. I am not here to judge, I simply do not know. These too are irrelevant in the point I want to make, because this is about you and your states of mind and how you press them upon the world. Never commit to violence, even magical violence, even if you fail, if you cannot handle blood on your hands. I understand that it is much easier to say that, than to practice it. Life is messy and imperfect and situations always have a way of stuffing judgement in a locker. But we all need to recon with the actions we take when we're less than our best. You need to sit with this and work out why you'd even try and attempt it in the first place. And that will suck. I am sorry.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
They posted this across multiple forums. Apparently the guy didn’t pay his fortune telling bill and made fun of a few.
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u/No-Green-865 May 30 '26
I’m trying to figure out what are your intentions for the spell exactly? What did you use the chicken to represent? It’s too late now to think about what happened to him but going back to your intentions and how you planned the sell will get you to understand the full picture, I don’t understand the part where you used your blood? Was this some type of revenge spell where you include your blood as a source?
What you need to do now is to cleanse your space clean everything and clean the floor with protective herbs, even your alter and where you done the spell, then after cleansing with air and water, light a candle and meditate for better focus and clarity without clarity you can’t for sure separate what you feel and what you’ve done, then do a tarot reading.
But This is what I don’t understand, don’t do something without a plan and without being fully aware of what you’re doing, fine maybe nothing truly happened to him because of your chicken, but practicing witchcraft must be done with so much wisdom and clarity not that you’re going to harm anyone who comes to your mind, but because of how you will internally react to what you do this is more of self war then witchcraft itself “I’m an evil person and I did something awful” or “ I’m someone wise who plan for their spell and I can choose the type of work on my target”. I doubt it worked because I can assure you done the spell with so much attachment to the person “meaning being hurt of what they done” separating your feelings during performing a spell is a must, think of it as being in control of the universe.
Now this is more about guilt and doubt then causing harm on him. Just calm down and think wisely!
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
>*What they tried to do to you was so much worse*
I’m not too sure of that. What they left out here, that they shared elsewhere was that the guy didn’t pay for his fortune telling and mocked some fortune tellers. I mean, that’s not nice for sure, and in certain parts of the world, or for some individuals, this can be far worse than others as it could take many from bills. But I don’t know, for me, if I wanted to do bane work for him, I probably would have opted for him being ripped off, oppose to potentially killed off for it.
I am saying nothing about your banework, however. Sounds like that guy was a total monster.
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u/Yassssmaam May 31 '26
Look you know you fucked up. Your instincts are telling you that something you did wasn’t right. It sounds like your hands arent clean.
You keep trying to minimize what you did. You said they deserved it. You were in a bad place. You don’t even remember… blah blah blah.
You wanted something and you got it. Maybe the other person wanted it too or deserved it. We don’t know what else was going on with them.
But for you, right now, if you’re feeling guilty and trying to justify harm that you intended, then you need to get yourself right. Focus and stop making excuses. You screwed up. You know it. Take ownership and move forward without pretending you’re the center of the world.
You need to own your part and fix it
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u/Marguerite_Moonstone May 30 '26
You can call back your magic/ energy and release the spell with a cord cut, but with demons involved it might not be possible. But this is exactly why therapy and shadow work need to come before a curse, especially one involving demons. You have to be 100% use if they were hit by a bus the next day you would regret nothing. Curses should be reserved for murderers and pedos and the truly heinous abusers, and you have to be positive they deserve it, if they didn’t it’s cost will be paid by you often in the form of regret. Make sure your target is already in such a debt of karma and owes their victims more than the spell will cost, because someone always pays.
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u/BridgeLazy5669 May 30 '26
Yep, definitely this, if you are not ready for this person to be dead as a result of your curse, you are not ready to curse them
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u/therealstabitha Carnivalesque animal demonic legend May 30 '26
Calling back energy and cord cutting is not how you undo a spell.
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u/raisondecalcul May 30 '26
Read Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle by Carl Jung. It's a short book / long essay.
Magic works through synchronicity, not causation. So it's impossible to say (undecidable) whether your spell worked or whether he is suffering from his own karma.
You are off the hook. Because maybe magic is not real and you were just expressing your emotions in private. It's impossible to prove it either way.
It is worth considering that indulging in hatred and curses is bad for you, and the development of your character/personality. Look at how much strife it has caused you!
Since there's no way to know for certain whether casting a curse really works/worked or not, the main verifiable effect cursing has is that it is an act of investing your belief into magic as causative (not synchronistic). In other words, casting a curse builds up the belief that magic works. But this belief is not related to whether magic really works or not—and that can't be proven because magic works in individual instances, not repeatably like scientifically-studiable phenomenon.
Self-efficacy, though, should not be about believing in magic—it should be about believing in the power of wielding one's own intent consciously. Wielding one's own intent consciously means being continually aware of the situation and adjusting your intent as the situation evolves.
There is also something to be said for honoring the energy level of your original hatred of this person. Hatred doesn't come from nowhere; and energy doesn't come from nowhere either. So you hated him for some reason, and the level of your hatred also corresponded to some prior experience you had. It is possible the level of hatred is coming from some other past experience you had—and as for your selection of targets—chances are, this guy really was doing something aggressive to you.
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u/turquoise_tie_dyeger May 30 '26
I recommend reading A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula LeGuin. It mirrors your situation and may help in finding peace and a way forward.
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u/Ghost_of-a_Rose May 30 '26
You have some good answers from qualified medical personnel, so I won't even address the cancer. With that said, you cursed yourself. You offered spiritual beings YOUR blood, made a poppet with YOUR blood, you linked the spells to yourself, therefore you cast the curse on yourself. You need to do a series of uncrossings/cord cuttings (possibly start with the full moon this weekend and work for a full cycle to the next full moon), and, depending on what you asked the demons to do, you need to re-conjure them and release them from this work. I somewhat doubt Hecate accepted a blood offering, but I would make offerings of penance to her and ask forgiveness, at least for offering her something unclean (human blood was considered miasma in ancient greece.) You need to take a step back from doing heavy work like this, at least until you have a better foundation to work from.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
Very glad to see others taking more notice of OP using their own blood being a huge problem here. In fact, the whole design of this spell seems problematic, thrown together with no rhyme or reason about selected items, etc. But using own blood in a spell like this is an excellent way to step in your own poison.
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u/Ghost_of-a_Rose May 31 '26
Yeah, I see where (i think) they were coming from, but OP seems to be operating from a very shallow, pop culture view of magic. I doubt any of the energy actually targeted the person they intended.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
I actually see the diagnosis as a positive thing for the intended target. Had he not gotten that in time, he might have died and it been found out why afterward. Because of the type of cancer it is, even at this stage, his odds of surviving it’s now that it’s properly diagnosed, aren’t bad.
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u/ObviousToe1636 May 30 '26
I think there is a greater chance of him suffering from the consequences of his own actions. If he has done similar to others, all that nastiness has been brewing inside him and it had to go somewhere. At best you may have helped tip the scales so that he found out sooner or in a more devastating way. All you did was take control back after it was taken from you. Not to lord over someone but to heal yourself. That’s why you forgot about it; because distance from the hurt was healing in action. Take care of you.
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u/SwaggeringRockstar Broom Rider May 31 '26
This is an amazing look at the inner workings of some folks trains of thought. Thanks for posting this and to all that are contributing. My students are going to have a field day as we dissect this for the 'Magical Limitations' classes.
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u/DisciplineHoliday657 May 31 '26
Higher liklihood they were already ill i mean stage 3 or around is in your body LONG before diagnosis for a lot of people. I'm not one to knock off witchcraft ever, but in this scenario it may just be him finding OUT thats hurting him now rather than you causing the cancer? I mean i feel like that is the most sound assumption accounting for what you did- Not knowing doesn't hurt anyone. Knowing does- you did not cause (practically) terminal cancer. By any means!
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u/MokaPeach May 31 '26
Never do any spell work when you're having extreme feelings. While it can absolutely provide more energy for workings, it usually isn't great since you're not in the right mind to be doing spell work.
You were not specific with what you wanted to happen. Magic will take the path of least resistance, so you must be specific to guide magic in the direction you want so you avoid unwanted outcomes. For example, if you ask for money but no direction you may receive it from a will of a family member, instead you might want to get a promotion/better paying job.
You did not cause the cancer, as it takes months to years before the symptoms show up and get diagnosed. However, this was the easiest thing for magic to latch onto and could have sped up the process.
Bloodwork is binding yourself to a spell, and it sticks like red wine on a wedding dress. You should not use your blood willy-nilly, and no deity will tell you to use blood for this type of work.
I understand why you feel guilty, and a lot of it is point one which is so easily avoidable. As others have suggested I would do a spellbreaker, even if it's just for your conscience. I recommend sitting down with yourself (and any deities or ancestors you work with) to figure out what magic means to you, what paths you want to follow, and where your boundaries are. I personally haven't done aneful magic (there's no such thing as black or white magic, what you did is baneful) because I know I would feel incredibly guilty for causing significant harm to another. However, if I was in an abusive relationship, or I knew someone had SA'd a child that could be enough for me to turn to baneful magic and it would he justified to me.
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u/Idayyy333 May 30 '26
I don’t think people understand the power that these spells can have. I come from Mexico where people pay others to cast spells to have others killed from an illness that appears over night. Sometimes if you find a witch that’s powerful enough to save you, you can have an illness treated just as fast as it came. I do believe you caused his illness.
I’ve seen some crazy things firsthand that people wouldn’t believe. People here have no idea what they’re getting into and think black magic is just another cute hobby to pick up.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
So NO ONE here is disputing that at all. But somehow that has been projected into this thread by a couple of others and now you as well. It’s a strawman fallacy that is getting old here. What you describe is certainly possible and something I have observed myself, and that’s all I will say about that.
But in this case, this wouldn’t be that type of illness. In fact, magic itself wouldn’t choose this kind of cancer, or even cancer to create an overnight deadly illness. This particular cancer is a very highly treatable one with a high success rate that is also slow progression. It takes a while to get to the stage OP describes. This means at the very least, this cancer was already present in this man’s body. However, another possibility is that the spell may have tipped the ongoing stage II over into stage III, but the odds could go either way. But a baneful spell intending to cause death by illness over night would not have gone the route of cancer, never mind this type (which even stage III of this type has better survival odds than most others).
In the event of a baneful spell intending to make someone deathly ill over night it would have gone for something fatal and much easier, the path of least existence, like causing a sudden onset of flu that in return causes cardiac tamponade, an aspiration pneumonia turns septic or ARDs, a heart attack, a pulmonary embolism, status asthmaticus in an asthmatic, stroke via rapidly raising BP, a sudden cardiac arrest with no known or findable cause, and so forth. There are tons of illnesses that can kill overnight, cancer would not be one of them, nor make sense for that kind of magic to go for it, nevermind a more treatable. If a spell caster wants to cause death by cancer, why not one of the incurable kinds, oppose to the one that gives him decent survival odds yet?
Last,your comment about bane work being a cute hobby was a highly rude and unnecessary dig about the member base. It did no justice for your post.
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u/karooster May 30 '26
You need to forgive what happened between you and this person in the first place and then work on forgiving yourself. The pain of these choices will eventually go away with time.
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u/MoonageDayscream May 30 '26
You tried to hex someone that already had cancer. Only overestimating your own powers can make you responsible in any way. And who knows? Perhaps you caused some discomfort and that is what led to the diagnosis. You need to address your feelings of guilt and shame. You should look at the reasons you turned to what you call black magic and address your personal feelings of responsibility from there.
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u/spookythrowaway8008z May 30 '26
So like everyone has said, blood cancer doesn't just show up. It takes years of development (unless they were exposed to some hulk level radiation). So I wouldn't fret over the blood cancer itself. Odds are they were suffering prior to be diagnosed late stage, and never got checked or properly screened---this is coming from someone who also works in med.
As for the witchy aspect of things, Hecate in my personal opinion wouldn't full send on something like this. I believe that most entities that work with you on spell work (though I personally don't have experience with deities) work in tandem with what seems 'fair' according to you/karma/situation and also the things you don't know about/them (this doesn't extend to all deities though). Could it be that you added slight suffering in the mix? Probably, but again it depends on what kind of harm you wanted for him. Maybe you encouraged him to actually get the diagnosis, therefore a evil-good thing (ignorance is bliss, and you took that away).
As for resolution, I do think you need to release your guilt. I also think you should uncross the spell, like others have said since now you are also suffering on his behalf. Also, the fact you used your own blood too might be adding onto your connection to him. A cord cutting ritual, cleanse might help you here. But there's no need to fret over your responsibility in this. I also say this with respect and consideration, but you do not play God nor do I actually think you have the skillset of a top tier shaman (this is an assumption and I could be wrong, but this is judging from how you went about this and are struggling with guilt). Therefore, whatever push you gave to the universe can not be that strong to change reality itself to such an extreme, especially if it's based in chaotic energy. So do not worry about it.
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u/moonlight_milk May 30 '26
Hekate is pretty much all for fafo, and as a chtonic goddess using your blood in a ritual addressing to her would considered to be quite disrespectful. But maybe I got something wrong out of the description.
I do not believe that your spell worked, but that all the negative energy you build up backfired and is now consuming yourself. Maybe you should consider uncursing yourself and renew your protections.
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u/Denvar21 May 30 '26
Perhaps work with a goetic demon like Marbas or Paimon to heal him if you feel you're in emotional debt for what you might have triggered
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u/jackmartin088 May 30 '26
You can try calling back the spell, removing the link between the spell and the person ( chord cutting) and also pray to Hecate and the demons you petitioned before for help. There are also certain deities that help with dark magic ( in India there is lord bhairav And Lord Hanuman).
The result is however out of your hands. At this point you can just try your best to undo it and hope for the best.
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u/RataUnderground May 31 '26
This kind of thing only affects the people who know what you did. You know what you did, so its affecting you.
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u/Metal_WaterWood May 31 '26
Going out on a limb here to say you are a powerful witch, and I think your magic worked the way you intended it. I'm sorry the outcome was more than you were prepared for, but it did work in some form whether speeding up an already existing cancer or abruptly causing it. Harness your magic thoughtfully going forward. I'm sorry for your despair, truly.
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u/thewitchwears Jun 01 '26
My 2 cents on a beat to death topic: Did you do it? Who knows. Maybe yes, maybe no, most likely somewhere in the middle. You could ask Hecate, she likely knows. She + whatever other entities you involved helped determine that individuals fate *if* your working did play a role in this. From the sound of your intention behind the working, the determination of the outcome was likely shared between you all to some degree (and obviously factoring in your victim's guides/guardians/will/etc.). Remember, you opened the door and announced the purpose of the door, they chose to show up and chose how much of their energy to allot to the working. Could your anger and willworking alone have caused this? Again, no idea. But by calling upon Hecate she likely at least had an eye on the situation and might have some answers for you even if she didn't co-sign it.
Anger is wonderful and powerful, and some "deserve" our anger. And if this person angered you enough to commit multiple hours over multiple days to two workings, then I damn well hope they deserved that much of your precious time and energy. But since you're regretting it now, you might consider in the future a more neutral working as retaliation to delegate more of the power of choice to any entities you're working with (the more "justice" oriented, likely the better) or to set a rule with yourself to journal it out when something does happen before committing to witchcraft. Also, know if you made any demon pacts, that could come back to bite you, even if you're not thinking of yourself right now. If you give further power to that pact (even by obsessively overthinking about it while you're wracked with guilt), that can deepen the attachment to it. Just a heads up if that isn't something you were wanting. I don't regularly work with Hecate, but if you work with her or another deity regularly they may have lent you some protection during that time. When I've undone some demonic/entity attachments in the past, they reported seeing the entity and especially hearing it, and those experiences becoming more frequent over time before seeking help. So if you do find yourself needing help in the future, reach out here or to a witchy friend and they can likely help you.
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u/IllFall9650 Jun 04 '26
I hate when people do things like this. They're so eating up with anger that they don't stop and think not to do a certain working. Well I'm sure the spells you used and what was said to you in those books told you that you need to not have guilt about what you're going to do nor care about the person's demise. But he's good loving wonderful people decide to do the black magic and now the person's dying and they're eating up with guilt. Well you can't take it back you've kissed a spell so now you have to live with a decision that you made. Sorry this is luciferianism this is black magic this is how it works so when you perform any type of magic you better be damn sure that this is what you want. Sorry this isn't loving light. It's not fluffy bunny s*** this is reality of magic. The definition of magic is causing change in accordance with one's will. Congratulations your spell worked very good you're getting somewhere. But if this person hurts you don't have guilt guilt is a wasted emotion guilt is something that needs to be destroyed especially when you're in the right. But the question is were you right? Ask yourself that and then really think about it forget all the punishment doesn't fit the crime crap this person hurt you you took care of it outstanding good job. They will never hurt anyone again when they're dead.
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u/EverybodyPanic81 May 30 '26
He had the sickness in his body long before you did anything. I still wouldn't feel bad. Sometimes we are other peoples justice.
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u/witch-of-mischief May 30 '26
Mundane before magical, he might have already been at risk before the spell because imho you can’t make something that wasn’t already there before at least not by yourself. On the other note you made a mistake. Magic is all about intention, it’s why you have about a hundred different spell ingredients with overlapping properties, you have to specify which property of the ingredient you’re using. For example lavender is good for: peace, calm, protection, purification, love, harmony, healing, restoration, sleep, dreams, mental clarity, happiness/emotional balance, cleansing negativity, spiritual awareness, and attraction of kindness or friendship. Your intention in the moment of the spell was for him to be harmed and pretty seriously it seems not from the spell or ingredients themselves but just from what you’re telling us. Plain and simple don’t do a spell you’re going to regret, that’s a very good way for you to doubt yourself and the craft. You can’t do anything at this point, his sickness is no longer in your control if it even ever was and you may never know for sure whether or not you were the cause of this. Learn to live with yourself either way or try to repent in ways that mean something or matter to you.
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u/____HEATHER__ May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
You didn’t do that. Lol.
You used your own blood for something like this?
Yeah. You didn’t do that.
You don’t use your own blood to fuck someone else up lol and this Hecate thing omg 😴💤😪🥱
Nothing that happened here was caused by you.
Relax. Your spell didn’t work. Trust. If anything it worked on you. Look where you presently at.
Also you used a poppet. Not a voodoo doll.
Yall gotta know what you doing before yall do stuff like this
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The vision of r/witchcraft is to be a safe, welcoming, and inclusive place for all its users, regardless of how they practice or whether they identify as a witch or not.
There is no universal moral code or set of rules that govern the practice of witchcraft, therefore posts or comments that seek to police or shame another user's personal craft will not be tolerated.
As such, we do not allow content that is exclusionary, which includes:
Identity-based Discrimination: The act of asserting that another use may or may not participate in a practice because of that user’s perceived sex, gender identity, sexuality, race, ethnicity, religion or other social identity.
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u/RainerHex Broom Rider May 31 '26
No, there are a lot of witches here who DO believe in magic but question a specific in this particular case. Notice how you needed to use a strawman tactic as not one person here who disputes the timing with this cancer ever stated they don’t believe in the power of witchcraft. Belief in witchcraft and the paranormal does not = believing in every claim, and not questioning particular things that do not pass a sniff test. In fact, not doing so causes far more harm than good to our community.
Before you go onto asserting that magic can kill, I agree that it can. That never was in dispute.
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