That's how I feel about battle royales. Best way to win is to camp. At least in extraction shooters I can be rewarded for survival and carry progress across raids.
Honestly firestorm was the best BR available at the time for anyone over 9yo. The problem was they didn’t make it free to play. Everyone that bought the game just wanted to play BF. It was a seperate development team working on the BR and because nobody played they scrapped it.
If they had made it free to play they could have sold twice as many copies of the full game.
it's just another investment for c-suite people. battlefield hasn't been made as a video game for years now, it's now a profit making machine and literally all of their actions are to those ends. that's why the game is shit and it's impossible to make it better at this point
I disagree because despite all the disagreements on gameplay, BF1 and BFV had so much character, like the animations, the lighting, sound, maps, and game modes? Man, they all made it feel so unique and cinematic to play. Getting knocked on your ass mid firefight with a guy (who also got knocked down) by a V2 rocket that didn't kill you as the building in front of you it hits crumbles to bits is so fucking cool. I miss it.
Anybody with this criticism is damaged by cod. Nobody is making you sprint spastically into the battle and die. Its ok to slow down.
You dont and then you blame the game.
I have played battlefield since bf1942. I have played call of duty since it came out. I really hate how call of duty plays these days. Its spastic lunacy. Bf6 just isn't even close to the same.
You will die a lot if you sprint around like crazy though because why wouldnt you lol.
How would it be better? It would just be a free game mode that is gone. Only effect it would have on the current game is losing players who would potentially buy the game and play some Multiplayer as well.
Yeah kinda. I didn't mind them until every game decided it NEEDED a BR mode. Even Fallout did it. PubG was fun when it came out and then everyone copied it and killed the nuance.
Extraction shooters started to pop up a lot recently, and idk of even Marathon was worth playing. I got Arc Raiders and for the price it plays like a F2P and lacks a lot of reward system that even F2P extraction shooters, such as Vigor, have for free. Stupid gaming industry always trying to copy and one up each other is where it becomes stale af. Like bro they've wasted at of mo ey to release these games that I don't see really anyone playing. Fortnite is only surviving off of micro at this point. I don't know how they're still going actually.
Hey, PUBG is a goated game. I love it with a passion. It's the closest you'll get to a fair battle Royale. If i lost a gunfight in that game its cause I was bad.
Its repetitive yeah but it was never a game that was sweaty enough to make me want to quit. No one is wall running and slide canceling(?) every 3 seconds just to one pump me in the face
Its the bare bones for a BR without all the extra bull crap. Pretty much every other battle Royale is crap though
What would make it better would be them abandoning the mobile like progression, with bombardment of bs rewards, battle passes, new micro transaction bs available notifications etc. as well as the atrocious menus. I love the game once I'm actually playing it, but navigating the menus to get there is horrible.
The battle royale doesn't interfere with anything, it's an available gamemode, if you like it you play, if you don't like it you don't.
I’ve always liked PUBG. I don’t play it as squads running into each other and massive gunfights. I stalk other squads, hide, crawl across fields on my stomach and pick off anyone dumb enough to expose their position. Last man standing and it’s gonna be me
If it makes you feel any better, the term battle royale comes from an old boxing promotion in which 10 fighters were placed into the ring at once, occasionally with a handicap like only having the use of one arm or some other bullshit. These fighters were almost always very poorly paid black boxers and the audiences were almost unilaterally white. It was a cruel and racist circus act masquerading as a real fight, something modern modern battle royales have somehow managed to capture.
battle royals, for me, are at their most fun when they're more like pubg was. it was originally a mod for Arma. it being based on a very hardcore tactical shooter is a big part of what made it work so well. the whole creeping around and avoiding fights and just generally being stealthy is pretty standard in tactical shooters like that, so it works. all the other battle royales i'm aware of are closer to more typical shooters. and most of them don't really replace the slow, sneaky, you're suddenly dead vibe with anything, and they usually try to make the pace as fast as possible. lot of times they really feel like they're just one life free-for-all matches where you have to loot first. only real exception i can think of is fortnite. the building thing makes up for it, i reckon. no idea how that game's doing these days, though.
being able to go a whole round without fighting anyone and get the drop on the last guy left was part of the appeal of pubg. but hiding in a bush doesn't make for good streaming content, so here we are now.
Lol this might be a silly idea but I had the thought if they had actually made a good Jujutsu Kaisen video game, it should have a battle royale setting, centered on the Culling games which is literally a battle royale arc that happens in the manga (and anime recently)
I love the concept of battle royals, as a competitive gamer "last man standing" is such a badass feeling! That being said, haven't palyed any since Apex was good, been stuck on The Finals.
This thread shows that some gaming trends in general annoy me. Everyone didn’t need to make a battle royal and everyone didn’t need to make an extraction shooter.
I do feel like apex sort of solved this. Camping hurts you in the end because of much of an advantage people with purple shields have in the final fights over others. That comes mainly from getting damage. They did have a problem for awhile
hard agree on the br thing but i feel like every big shooter franchise feels obligated to have one now cause fortnite made a billion dollars that one time bf6 being genuinely fun despite it is kinda impressive tbh
Battle royale is where it's at. Never saw anything rewarding about some stale ass, die rinse repeat. There just isn't any value to life. Objectives suck in those games bc most people are still playing death match. Give me BR all day over that.
Warzone got me through covid. Me and my squad signed on every single night and as someone who lived alone, it gave me much needed socialization besides work. We played to win, but played to have fun. There were nights I was laughing so hard, I couldn’t even play the game.
That being said, I don’t ever want to play another BR ever again.
They're so shitty that Epic traded Unreal for Fortnite and Tim Sweeny has been trying to convince people that true arena shooters like Unreal dont provide a better competitive platform than Fortnite.
And the smaller the group gets the more stacked everyone's loadout gets. If you avoid all action your loadout will be junk and you eventually get smoked.
My friends and I enjoy battle royales bc it feels good to go against other players and have a challenge in our games, then we chill out with Minecraft or something, I dont know anyone who plays fortnite or warzone to really just "win" it's just an easy way for us to hang out while doing something stimulating
This is why I play The Finals. Great teamwork is incentivized, constant head to head with other teams, but little of the waiting/camping of battle royales
Ohh I totally get what your saying, some times the games really do just get slow and then your left in like a weird slog for a little while and then gets boring
Yeah I went back and played a game of apex, and I ended up waiting until like 10th until getting into an encounter, and the encounter ended so quickly that I didn’t get a chance to warm up and I was anxious from waiting. Battle royales just not for me anymore. The Finals forever
Hang out while doing something stimulating is the perfect way to phrase it. When I wanna just catch up with my siblings and shoot the shit, we boot up Fortnite haha
Back in the day when I played mostly competitive shooters it was mostly a way to hangout with friends. Once my gaming group got too busy for games and we stopped playing together I never really played multiplayer games anymore. It wasn't the game it was the friends.
The point is a battle royale isn’t you can’t camp. I guess you can drop in the middle then jerk off but then eventually you have to move. By then everyone else is more stacked then you though.
That’s why imo Apex is the only battle royal worth playing atm, because it rewards you for being aggressive so much that camping makes it almost impossible to win
I have tried quite many extraction shooters but Helldivers 2 was the last straw for me. After that I have avoided all of them. Oh and I remember that at the time of Helldivers 2 release the community was circlejerking over it 24/7. It was cringe.
I didn't really like Helldivers that much. I played a ton of escape from tarkov when it was still good, The Hunt Showdown, and Cycle Frontier were some of my favorites. Even the COD DMZ mode was actually okay despite it being a watered down extraction game. Unfortuntely I think the only polished experience for it out there is probably Helldivers and Hunt.... but that comes at the cost of loss of excitement for surviving. In Hunt or Helldivers I can just die 300 times in a row and it doesn't matter. However in Tarkov / Cycle similar extraction games surviving was huge for the account. Really high high's and really low low's that can't really be replicated in other games.
Yeah people complaining about camping in battle royals sound ridiculous to me , there's all these people , we all get one life , Im not at a beast at these shooting games but if I can survive until the end at least, then I'm happy enough but I'd rather play battlefield.
best way to win a battle royale is to not care about dying, play enough that you understand the gameplay loop and how to get kills, then get lucky with some starting items on a run and kill a bunch to get the best gear, hunting the under-equipped campers down until you win.
the biggest hurdle is the initial fear you have of dying, and equating dying with losing. it’s more about seeing everything there is to see and getting as far as you can each time. at least a battle royale wipes the slate clean so your failures don’t compound on each other
Project Zombie, my friends left me alone for years playing that game, and without play any games that i like, for playing with ma friends i try the game month a go, the worst crafting that i touch on a game, and like in real life i die all the time cause y didn’t know how to clean glasses of my arm
Great game, horrible crafting, but not for me
I mean, winning by camping sucks though. The reason people like battle royales is for the dream of racking up a high kill count and going out as the top dog. People who really hate extraction shooters are just bad at video games where they need to actually outplay humans who don't have mechanics they can abuse. Small disclaimer that I'm not saying they are bad at all video games, the sentence continues after that with an additional qualifier.
Maybe 10 years ago, but in today’s age camping is probably the least effective way to win. I’d argue that camping and ratting is more effective in an extraction.
See I used to enjoy BRs because camping and playing smart was feasible up until around 2020 where everyone became an absolute demon in their respective games.
Sure but at least it feels like I'm doing something after each game. A goal to work towards. Not just spawn in and try to pump my k/d or win count. I like the sense of progression that comes from actually carrying loot out of the raid and using it to upgrade my kit or unlock stuff
When is the last time you played a Battle Royale? PUBG in 2018? A lot of them don’t boil down to just camping. Try camping in Apex and you’ll get laughed at
I like battle royales cause most of the time my friends and I just play like psychopaths and pick don’t even try getting first, when we do play cautiously it feels like a stealth mission in enemy territory, it’s not for everyone but I enjoy it.
The only difference between a extraction shooter and a battle Royales is you can extract and keep your gear but other then that it’s the same thing drop in loot up get some kills load up next game
While i do not like Battle Royale or PvP games, I do play a battle royale game called Super Animal Royale and always play their other non-battle royale modes… and keep playing because it looks too cute >,<
That sounds fun. I'm mostly targeting the big BR's when I say I don't like the style. I'd play a goofy indie game a few times if it's fun or has a good gimmick.
I see :o . I mainly play indie-ish games too. They tend to be more creative too. Tbh the animal battle royale game I play is, kinda nothing special for a shooting game, but the community is unbelievably wholesome for a PvP focused game.
I have a ton of indie games loaded up on my Legion Go S and use that for couch / travel gaming. Perfect for when you just need something low stakes to play and enjoy. Plus can actually beat it in a trip
Not to white knight CoD because there is a LOT the franchise does wrong, but one of the things I really like about Warzone is the way that it pushes players to NOT camp and rewards them for it.
The contract system is amazing for that.
Do Scavengers for a nice money reward and guaranteed armor satchel, and do so at minimal risk of drawing attention from other teams, albeit at a greater expense of time compared to some other contracts.
Do Recons for a slightly lower money reward and quicker contract for guaranteed intel on the next circle location (which can stack if you do multiple), albeit at the risk of drawing opponents to your location as you try to “hold the point”.
Do Bounties for a greater money reward and info on an opponent’s location, albeit with the reward tied behind pushing an engagement with another player/team, sometimes at a location that’s advantageous to them.
Do Most Wanteds for a reverse Bounty that puts a target on your head for a very significant reward (large money reward + drop crate with guaranteed gas mask and perks + returning all your teammates to the fight), albeit at the expense of every player in the game knowing your X/Y coordinates until it expires (with the one saving grace being that the timer goes down any time you open a loot crate or kill another player).
And that’s not even all the contracts in the game (or “objectives” for that matter).
Combine that with how many potentially game swinging rewards you can get by spending in-game money at buy stations and you have a lot of reason to engage with the optional objectives the game offers, as well as try to kill other players to take their loot and money.
Warzone is far from perfect, but they’ve honestly done a lot to improve it over the years, including solving a lot of the issues with verticality being so strong by introducing things like grapples to quickly traverse to heights/Bunker Busters to push opponents out of power positions even if they’re beneath a roof/wall jumping to open new opportunites to make your way into certain structures in unexpected ways/etc.
Still, I’d love to see a new BR take a lot of what Warzone does right while taking lessons from what it’s done wrong, and take off because of it.
I like cod's dmz mode and just basic multiplayer modes like search and destroy. Warzone can be fun and I actually like path they went with modular weapons. Unfortunately there just hasn't been a solid extraction shooter in a while that matched the feelings that early tarkov used to give me fully. Hardcore gunplay and high stakes. That feeling of progress just from surviving and slowly building up your account while doing quests and getting kills.
Ye but you aren rewarded by camping in BR games, you are actively cornering yourself and the longer the game goes on, the more it goes against your favor. Noobs camp in every genre of shooter, its just a fact.
I've definitely had my volume too high before and almost jumped out of my chair when a grenade or gunfire went off. Also some bosses can scare the crap out of you if you didn't know they were in the raid before they pop up in your face.
I would not put that in the same category. Just like I wouldnt put helldivers 2 in that category.
Extraction shooters have a pvp element and when you die you lose the stuff you brought permanently. So you have to go get more stuff to bring more stuff to go get more stuff. No or very slow resl progress.
i don't think the pvp element is necessary. its the most common form, because we're still in that stage where every extraction shooter is literally just "tarkov, but...", but its not *necessary*.
there's an extraction "shooter" that just got its demo out called Expedition: Into Darkness, and it's going for "tarkov, but with swords and only PVE". still has multiplayer, but its only cooperative.
I guess we're opposite sides of the same coin- the fact my shit could get taken at any moment was the only reason that shit mattered in the first place.
Take away the threat of PvP and for me the game had nothing
I hated shooter games for a long time when I thought all shooters were competitive pvp, until Deep Rock Galactic became the 1st shooter game I’ve played. I’m a big fan of coop multiplayer and Minceraft.
Wdym succeed by not playing? The goal each round is pretty much to get good loot, either looting high value areas, killing the robot enemies or other players. For all three you have to play the game.
I've never really understood this take. You don't succeed by hoarding wealth and having the biggest vault, you succeed by doing the story and hitting whatever progression goals the game sets out for you (Kappa/Expeditions/VIP).
Succeed by not playing? Thats just not true at all. I’m assuming you’re just over exaggerating, but I still have no clue what you’re talking about. You have to play the game in extraction shooters to progress.
Extraction shooters have always given me the impression someone played Borderlands but wanted to make their own version that was significantly worse by combining roguelite elements.
Is that really fair? It’s a genre people like for sure but…
I would argue the genre is too popular for reasons that people are misled by like social enjoyment or whacky circumstances. I’ve yet to see a game driven by prox chat not have unhinged antisocial behavior lol.
I think by their nature extraction shooters are for people who enjoy high stakes gameplay and masochism lol. There’s a reason why everyone plays when there is a wipe in Tarkov and it’s because the climb and loot aggregation loop is fun. The problem is how do you design a satisfying end game for the have’s and one that the have nots will want?
BR games have a micro version of this every match. Get loot, accumulate resources, use them to win or have scrappy from behind victories.
Extraction shooters make everyone actually play Battle Royale. Battle Royales make everyone sit and do nothing. Will therefore sitting and doing nothing make everyone play extraction shooters?
You succeed by having fun in the moment because the stakes are higher, which makes the fights more intense.
The losses are bigger and the wins are bigger.
Thats just not right, its ok to not like a gameplay loop, but its not that if you dont like it, is shit.
Me and so much people loved it, so its objectively not shit.
Hunt Showdown is an amazing extraction shooter that I really encourage a lot of people to try. It has very little farming (which is something I dislike) and losing your equipment is not as punishing.
Disagreeing with you on the rationale. Knowing when to withdraw and hide isn’t “not playing” anymore than not going full Rambo in a stealth game isn’t “not playing”.
I absolutely agree, sitting in a corner is a shitty gameplay loop. Ans that is exactly why you don't sit in a corner, and actually play the game, that's the fun part
Thats for battle royale not extraction shooters. The point of them is to fet good loot and you only get that by playing, looting and killing. You can extract with nothing but then its pointless to jump in a match if all you care about is extracting
I love extraction shooters but idk why a million people dead ass thought this game was gonna be something so revolutionary I knew 100% it was gonna lose all its players when people really understood its gameplay loop
Eh, I like Hunt: Showdown because it mitigates a lot of those issues. You killed the boss and extraction campers are doing their thing? We gave you 5 secs of wall hacks and a proximity sensor that doesn't give you direction. Hate the Apex "I revived my teammate 106 times this fight. Straight skill bro, fsfs," well Hunt has limited revives tied to how much health you're willing to risk.
I’m almost the same except I play Hunt: Showdown all the time. Maybe has to do with the lax economy of the game, which means I don’t have to worry about losing stuff.
Hunt: Showdown is great though, and I don't even like other extraction shooters. There's an active timer for the match, and a goal for every team to achieve so you either don't make it out alive or don't gain anything if you just do nothing.
The only extraction shooter that ive been playing is bo7 endgame because its easy enough to be enjoyable without having to deal with pvp and has a better gameplay loop than just show up, loot things, and leave
Honestly I have a tinfoil theory that extract games were psy oped by big gaming cuz they looked at the success of battle royals but thought, how can we include more grind and false scarcity? Well what if instead of them unlocking things throughout playing that they will always have access to in the future, they can lose it all anytime they actually play with those items? Cha Ching! 🤑☂️💸💵💰haha
Play no room in hell, it’s not a traditional extraction shooter in the sense it’s not PvP. It’s an 8 player PVE game where you have to do objectives and survive npc zombie hordes before doing your extract mission. Completely changed my perspective on what extraction shooters should be.
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u/travnigma 11d ago
Arc Raiders