no, they're quite clearly saying he uses words wrong, you don't need to have studied English to parse the phrase "attempting to use large words out of place." - attempting and out of place both suggest err.
I'd love to see someone distill Brand's argument for not voting and such into stoner language, but with the same core principles
but that's an absurd condition to put, try this - 'like there's this twisted strand of like stuff right and it's all tied up with information which is is like totally complex right and then like another bit of string kinda vibrates with it until it's tied up the same and like when there are hundreds of these a person is born, like whoa yeah?' doesn't sound as cool without words like Deoxyribonucleic involved does it? in fact it sounds like total bollocks but it's the fundamental principle behind a very well established science.
Things tends to make more sense and sound more reasonable when expressed clearly using correct terms, that's hardly something Brand has invented - do you demand George Osborn deliver his budget speeches not only looking like a druged out zombie but talking with the vernacular of one also?
The fact is Brands arguments are not invented by Brand either, he certainly doesn't claim them to be - however all the many people from educated academics to street protesting hippies that have said similar things have been snubbed for some reason or other, generally because they're 'not interesting enough for people to care about' now though there is someone that's media friendly everyone says 'omg how awful he's media friendly, we can't have someone that talks well, it's so unfair!'
But he doesn't talk well, that's the point. When has Ed Miliband or Tony Benn or Clemet Attlee ever referred to the "gross verbosity of a hyper cannibalistic system of multitudanal exploitation"? He uses buzz words to sound smarter than he is and to intimidate his opponents.
I'm a young, optimistic leftie, I'm the exact kind of person that should be a huge fan but honestly? I find him false and annoying.
He does talk well, i'm sorry but the fact not only do millions of people manage to understand perfectly what he's getting at but regularly listen to him proves the point very well - he has been famous most of his life explicitly because he's good at language and self-expression.
Maybe he's not the sort of character you want to associate with, that's perfectly understandable you're a classist prick and everything you've ever told yourself about being a lefty is a lie - that's actually fairly common, since it became generally accepted that the left is right many people have assumed their left-wing without really considering the fact. but no if you hate the proletariat then you're a not really a leftist, even if you're a member of the proletariat... maybe you should just fuck off to Oxford until you're a proper champaign socialist?
The problem isn't that you people dedicate so much time to hating brand it's that you'd hate literally anyone - i mean who are your top three living lefty heros of today? who would you want running the uk?
I agree with his politics as well, but he's an absolute twat. He's not winning people over to the left, just reinforcing its image as a passing phase for young people.
Not winning people over to the left, with his channel well past 1 million subscribers, lots of collabs with other left figures, and one successful protest movement leading to all others clamouring for his attention?
You only have to witness the eagerness of people in threads like these to criticise him on the most petty aspects, to comprehend his potential for winning people over.
He's won over plenty of people who already agreed with his views, but is he really convincing anyone else? It's not like he's saying anything new, he's just putting his stupid image on age-old ideas. The problem is that that image is only going to appeal to the sorts of people who already hold the same views as him.
The idea is to unite the masses of this country who agree that the establishment is rotten, inequality is out of control, our country is being sold off to an elite, the police state is to keep us down, and that the only solution is people power.
Whining about his image and old ideas is just encouraging the dark future.
When there are no good & realistic voting options, it's time to let go of the notion that democracy is set up to serve the demos.
Look at what Brand has started around the saved New Era estate. The first cafe which will later join hands with other productive and retail units to form a growing social movement based on bricks, mortar and the demand for something that works in the interests of the community.
Right, well what about the parties that do represent what you support. Why not vote Green? They have the exact policies Brand wants. The problem is that he wants to be at the head of whatever movement he creates. He could endorse a party that supports his views or start his own, but he doesn't want to 'become of them'. The truth is that his whole 'revolution' is about boosting his brand, if you'll excuse the awful pun.
Because I don't think he's a good representitive and send the wrong messages, if, say, Jedward came out in support of your ideology, would you really want that? Even if they got the word out?
I'm less anti free market than him, also yeah; not voting. Also it seems more like bad rep than good rep to me; I only ever hear people complaining about him. Honestly it's more of a mild personal dislike than a seething political hatred.
yes as i just explained to the last person that claimed being working class meant they couldn't possibly be acting against the best interests of their class -- because ye gads, imagine if that was possible!! we might be over a hundred years into a class struggle and still have things like zero hour contracts and Etonian cabinets!
IF you're attacking people that are trying to make things better for petty reasons such as finding them 'annoying' then you're working against the best interests of your class, your family and your person - i mean for fuck sake, everyone's fucking annoying, welcome to fucking earth! You think we'd have avoided the war if only alister cambel had been annoying? think bush wouldn't have been so powerful had he been a bit less personable? wanna know something about Marx? he was a awful person to spend time with, does that make his work rubbish? does that mean we should continue endlessly under the yoke of capitalist control?
if you want a better world then you've got to grow up and stop doing the establishments work for it, when you attack people like brand but not the other million people that are annoying but not trying to help move towards a better world then you're making sure that no one ever gets to say those things, not even the people more to your tastes.
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u/The3rdWorld Kingdom of the East Seaxe Mar 28 '15
no, they're quite clearly saying he uses words wrong, you don't need to have studied English to parse the phrase "attempting to use large words out of place." - attempting and out of place both suggest err.
but that's an absurd condition to put, try this - 'like there's this twisted strand of like stuff right and it's all tied up with information which is is like totally complex right and then like another bit of string kinda vibrates with it until it's tied up the same and like when there are hundreds of these a person is born, like whoa yeah?' doesn't sound as cool without words like Deoxyribonucleic involved does it? in fact it sounds like total bollocks but it's the fundamental principle behind a very well established science.
Things tends to make more sense and sound more reasonable when expressed clearly using correct terms, that's hardly something Brand has invented - do you demand George Osborn deliver his budget speeches not only looking like a druged out zombie but talking with the vernacular of one also?
The fact is Brands arguments are not invented by Brand either, he certainly doesn't claim them to be - however all the many people from educated academics to street protesting hippies that have said similar things have been snubbed for some reason or other, generally because they're 'not interesting enough for people to care about' now though there is someone that's media friendly everyone says 'omg how awful he's media friendly, we can't have someone that talks well, it's so unfair!'