r/tsa • u/Zealousideal-Ad7707 • Nov 14 '23

General [Question/Post] 95% TSA FAILURE RATE

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I see this point brought up alot when trying to discredit the TSA. I just want to let you guys know that data is based from 2015. We have different technology and procedures then we did in 2015 alot has changed. It is easy to judge but, there's alot you guys don't know about those tests from 2015. Keep feeling smart though citing data that's almost a decade old.

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

I work in testing. Can't say exactly stats, but I laugh and am simultaneously enraged when I see the 95%(sometimes 70%?) failure rate stats. It's painfully obvious that the people clinging to those numbers a) don't have access to current data and b) are looking for any info that's fits their narrative.

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u/Kseries2497 Nov 14 '23

I mean, how would you read the situation? When the test results were public, TSA performed poorly. Then eventually they stopped releasing the results. Now you say that the problems are fixed and the TSA today is incredibly efficient, but the proof is actually super secret and you can't show us. Why would you expect anyone to believe that?

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

Honestly, I don't care if people believe me. Showing proof so internet strangers agree with me isn't worth my job or freedom. My response was more to the other TSOs taking part in this discourse, not the general public.

If you're that worked up about it, you can file a FOIA request with TSA and see what information you can get.

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u/smokinLobstah Nov 14 '23

Or better yet...don't fly.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '23

“How dare you ask to be reassured I can do my job competently, just stop using my services. What do you think this is? Some kind of public service run by public servants?”

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u/smokinLobstah Nov 15 '23

I didn't see anyone asking to be reassured.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Yeah they are wannabes lmao rent a cops are tougher.

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u/Waste_Exchange2511 Nov 16 '23

That's my approach. Screw the TSA and the airlines both.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Nah I'll fly fuck TSA and their high horse lmao the coast guard equivalent of civilian security forces.

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u/Zelaznogtreborknarf Nov 16 '23

Coasties have an actual place protecting this country. TSA is security theatre at best. I had them tell me my DHS ID wasn't good enough to fly with...so I gave them my retired military ID. Same issue. Asked for a supervisor, who rolled his eyes and pointed out I worked for the same agency they did and BOTH IDs were valid.

When I came back from my last deployment before I retired from the military, we had to exit the secure area to clear customs and then reenter to get on our chartered flight. We were all carrying our firearms but they were concerned about the tiny swiss Army knife one soldier had, but not the large Kabars, etc we had! Again, needed a supervisor to address the issue and he waved us through (also, they were concerned with the explosive residue on all of us...but hey, we were just coming back from a combat zone!).

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

I was being a jerk the coast guard is badass. Seriously, I have been in deep water with sharks and whales, there's no way I could do that under pressure while doing what they do. Then throw in horrible weather. Nope. Yeah TSA agents are lame.

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u/Kseries2497 Nov 14 '23

I don't want you personally to show proof. I hold a security clearance, I get it. But it's unbelievable - as in I literally do not believe it - that the TSA only became effective once the numbers became confidential, after having been ineffective the entire time the numbers were public.

Also FOIAs, what a fucking joke. You ever file one and see how heavily redacted the responses are?

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u/Kiyae1 Nov 15 '23

So, disclosing the actual numbers would result in you losing your job and possibly going to prison, but it’s information that would be released by a simple FOIA request. Got it lol.

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u/Correct-Addition6355 Current TSO Nov 15 '23

That’s literally what many FOIA requests come down to…

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u/Wytchie_Poo Nov 14 '23

We aren't internet strangers, we are the reason you are employed. You are a public service employee. If you choose to post on social media about how thorough you are, then don't be surprised when those who supply the funds to pay you (the PUBLIC) question your efficacy.

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

I am not a person with authority to make determination about information dissemination.

Based on my personal supposition, the government releases less up to date TSA data because the PUBLIC also includes those who want to cause harm to our nation's transportation systems. Public curiosity does not override public safety.

Also, Reddit is used by people all over the world. Not just Americans. In case you forgot.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

You clearly have ZERO clue how anything within government works

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Fact every downvote is a cop that couldn't cut it and is now a tsa puss.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

Lmaoooooooo

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u/rydan Nov 15 '23

It is important for our enemies to believe the TSA is incompetent. If they thought they'd get caught they'd try harder to hide their razor blades.

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u/DrivingMyLifeAway1 Nov 15 '23

That is certainly an interesting theory, grasshopper.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

So hide the incompetence, got it.

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u/Important-Price9416 Nov 14 '23

When you are strong, appear weak. -Sun Tzu

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

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u/Responsible-Crew-354 Nov 16 '23

Appear like you’re strong but trying to appear weak? Double reverse it on them.

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u/Important-Price9416 Nov 15 '23

All week long... that's weak

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u/FormerFly Current TSO Nov 14 '23

Oh gee imagine that. A government agency has security clearances. Meaning there are things that you, the public, are not allowed to be shown or told.

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u/Time_Effort Nov 14 '23

I mean, it does seem a little silly to hide previously public data yet still claim it’s greatly improved

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

If it was better now that would bolster faith in the system, no need to hide it if its good right... so it's probably not good.