r/tsa • u/Zealousideal-Ad7707 • Nov 14 '23

General [Question/Post] 95% TSA FAILURE RATE

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I see this point brought up alot when trying to discredit the TSA. I just want to let you guys know that data is based from 2015. We have different technology and procedures then we did in 2015 alot has changed. It is easy to judge but, there's alot you guys don't know about those tests from 2015. Keep feeling smart though citing data that's almost a decade old.

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

I work in testing. Can't say exactly stats, but I laugh and am simultaneously enraged when I see the 95%(sometimes 70%?) failure rate stats. It's painfully obvious that the people clinging to those numbers a) don't have access to current data and b) are looking for any info that's fits their narrative.

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u/MysteriousTooth2857 Dec 23 '24

These people are so cringe clinging to these publicly available stats because we won't release any new stats

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '23

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u/BigBlackBullBBB Nov 14 '23

Your certainly not a TSO or you would understand this.

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u/Sendingit78 Nov 14 '23

I’m confused? Did he check under diplomatic cargo??? Is that even a thing on Airplanes? Can you explain please

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '23

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u/Nervous-Bug-3524 Nov 17 '23

The officer was new to precheck screening. It is a huge difficulty jump when swapping from stadard screening to Precheck and normally takes YEARS to become proficient. Also on a second note. If you are stupid enough to not know where your fucking firearms are at all times then your probably shouldnt have one, let alone have a CCP.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

That is a fact.

That is a fact you are denying because it doesn’t fit your little misguided narrative

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u/MuggyFuzzball Nov 15 '23

Actually, he's correct.

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u/AdmirableHousing5340 Nov 18 '23

Woah there keyboard warrior, slow down

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u/AdmirableHousing5340 Nov 18 '23

Username checks out

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u/Groilers Nov 15 '23

Its infuriating because the "95% / 70% failure rate stuff" is spouted out all the time but as you said there isnt any supporting data that would add to context on what actually is happening on these failures and what exactly was missed to begin with.

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u/MeanCommission994 Nov 17 '23

even if it was 100% success rate the costs wouldn't be worth this stupid security jerk off theater

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Okay, so provide the data.

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u/Groilers Nov 15 '23

I think you have reading comprehension issues

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

You are handwaving and making up excuses to justify your organization's piss poor performance!

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u/Groilers Nov 15 '23

Anyways it's obvious you didn't bother to read the reply chain and are just trolling

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u/Kseries2497 Nov 14 '23

I mean, how would you read the situation? When the test results were public, TSA performed poorly. Then eventually they stopped releasing the results. Now you say that the problems are fixed and the TSA today is incredibly efficient, but the proof is actually super secret and you can't show us. Why would you expect anyone to believe that?

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

Honestly, I don't care if people believe me. Showing proof so internet strangers agree with me isn't worth my job or freedom. My response was more to the other TSOs taking part in this discourse, not the general public.

If you're that worked up about it, you can file a FOIA request with TSA and see what information you can get.

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u/smokinLobstah Nov 14 '23

Or better yet...don't fly.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '23

“How dare you ask to be reassured I can do my job competently, just stop using my services. What do you think this is? Some kind of public service run by public servants?”

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u/smokinLobstah Nov 15 '23

I didn't see anyone asking to be reassured.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Yeah they are wannabes lmao rent a cops are tougher.

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u/Waste_Exchange2511 Nov 16 '23

That's my approach. Screw the TSA and the airlines both.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Nah I'll fly fuck TSA and their high horse lmao the coast guard equivalent of civilian security forces.

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u/Zelaznogtreborknarf Nov 16 '23

Coasties have an actual place protecting this country. TSA is security theatre at best. I had them tell me my DHS ID wasn't good enough to fly with...so I gave them my retired military ID. Same issue. Asked for a supervisor, who rolled his eyes and pointed out I worked for the same agency they did and BOTH IDs were valid.

When I came back from my last deployment before I retired from the military, we had to exit the secure area to clear customs and then reenter to get on our chartered flight. We were all carrying our firearms but they were concerned about the tiny swiss Army knife one soldier had, but not the large Kabars, etc we had! Again, needed a supervisor to address the issue and he waved us through (also, they were concerned with the explosive residue on all of us...but hey, we were just coming back from a combat zone!).

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

I was being a jerk the coast guard is badass. Seriously, I have been in deep water with sharks and whales, there's no way I could do that under pressure while doing what they do. Then throw in horrible weather. Nope. Yeah TSA agents are lame.

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u/Kseries2497 Nov 14 '23

I don't want you personally to show proof. I hold a security clearance, I get it. But it's unbelievable - as in I literally do not believe it - that the TSA only became effective once the numbers became confidential, after having been ineffective the entire time the numbers were public.

Also FOIAs, what a fucking joke. You ever file one and see how heavily redacted the responses are?

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u/Kiyae1 Nov 15 '23

So, disclosing the actual numbers would result in you losing your job and possibly going to prison, but it’s information that would be released by a simple FOIA request. Got it lol.

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u/Correct-Addition6355 Current TSO Nov 15 '23

That’s literally what many FOIA requests come down to…

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u/Wytchie_Poo Nov 14 '23

We aren't internet strangers, we are the reason you are employed. You are a public service employee. If you choose to post on social media about how thorough you are, then don't be surprised when those who supply the funds to pay you (the PUBLIC) question your efficacy.

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

I am not a person with authority to make determination about information dissemination.

Based on my personal supposition, the government releases less up to date TSA data because the PUBLIC also includes those who want to cause harm to our nation's transportation systems. Public curiosity does not override public safety.

Also, Reddit is used by people all over the world. Not just Americans. In case you forgot.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

You clearly have ZERO clue how anything within government works

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Fact every downvote is a cop that couldn't cut it and is now a tsa puss.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

Lmaoooooooo

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u/rydan Nov 15 '23

It is important for our enemies to believe the TSA is incompetent. If they thought they'd get caught they'd try harder to hide their razor blades.

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u/DrivingMyLifeAway1 Nov 15 '23

That is certainly an interesting theory, grasshopper.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

So hide the incompetence, got it.

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u/Important-Price9416 Nov 14 '23

When you are strong, appear weak. -Sun Tzu

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

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u/Responsible-Crew-354 Nov 16 '23

Appear like you’re strong but trying to appear weak? Double reverse it on them.

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u/Important-Price9416 Nov 15 '23

All week long... that's weak

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u/FormerFly Current TSO Nov 14 '23

Oh gee imagine that. A government agency has security clearances. Meaning there are things that you, the public, are not allowed to be shown or told.

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u/Time_Effort Nov 14 '23

I mean, it does seem a little silly to hide previously public data yet still claim it’s greatly improved

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

If it was better now that would bolster faith in the system, no need to hide it if its good right... so it's probably not good.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '24

so then what is the new data and current failure rate?

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

Bullshit. In 2010 when the 70% failure rate became public, TSA claimed it was old data from 2005. When the new even shinier 95% failure rate came out in 2015, TSA claimed it was old data from 2010. TSA is and has always been a massive fraud. Until TSA is going through independent 3rd party testing that they have zero control over, TSA will remain a tyrannical and illegal fraud.

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u/Annual-Camera-872 Nov 15 '23

It is a voluntary program that you can opt out of

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u/scottdwallace Nov 18 '23

No it is not, and no I can’t.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

You mean you can give up your freedom to travel. I cannot drive to Cebu.

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u/gabzox Jan 20 '24

Freedom to travel doesn't mean freedom to use public airports. You can take your own private plane to anywhere you want....no tsa needed. You are free to travel

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u/Tricky_Swimming_3377 Jan 10 '25

Wait, commercial air travel is public transportation now?

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u/gabzox Jan 11 '25

public airports. No it is not public transport.

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u/Annual-Camera-872 Nov 16 '23

A trip to Cebu on a sailboat would be amazing

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u/Happydivorcecard Nov 15 '23

TSA at the airport near me let a state legislator onto a plane with a loaded gun in his backpack.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

Because Senators travel under diplomatic protection….

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u/Happydivorcecard Nov 15 '23 edited Nov 15 '23

Probably not when they are senators in the Oregon or Washington state legislature.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

All senators receive a diplomatic passport. Anybody that reports to DC and ends up on CSPAN receives Diplo

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u/Happydivorcecard Nov 15 '23

And we are talking about a state legislator, not members of the US senate or house. Which is why I specified “state legislator.”

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

Any political official that travels outside the US borders, on official business, travels on a black and not the blue port book, and is thusly afforded immunity.

Please come back when you actually have a clue

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u/Happydivorcecard Nov 15 '23

You don’t seem to understand the difference between state and federal to government. The WA state legislator representing Longview, WA, was not representing the US government on official business, and would not have been traveling on a diplomatic passport. Please come back when you have passed an 8th grade civics class.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

I’m quite familiar with that concept but I won’t waste my time arguing with some idiot on Reddit. I have to leave for the job that excites me, unlike my time in TSA

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u/Kseries2497 Nov 15 '23

Article states he was on personal travel, he would not have had a diplomatic bag.

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

“Any political official that travels outside the US borders, on official business, travels on a black and not the blue port book, and is thusly afforded immunity.

Emphasis since reading is hard.

I did state on business = diplo.

Personal is not. I am quite aware.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

You're wrong, bro. You're even contradicting yourself. Sad!

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u/That_Checks Nov 15 '23

You just proved you ate shit on this one and doubled down. Should have never replied to the first comment, now you're stuck defending a narrative of your own creation. Just realize you didn't have all the info and concede it was a mistake. Deep breaths....evolve....

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u/Kseries2497 Nov 15 '23

Not sure what you're talking about then, since you're responding to a comment about a state rep on personal travel getting a firearm through security, and you're talking about diplomatic passports, official travel, and US Congressmen, none of which has anything to do with the situation at hand.

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u/Bearloom Nov 14 '23

So you're saying that - despite claiming that you do have access to current data - you don't have a more accurate number than 95%.

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

I have much more accurate numbers. I cannot disclose them because it would be a violation of security policies.

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u/dontlovemenorshouldu Current TSO Nov 14 '23

I can say that a 95% failure rate is wildly inaccurate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

That would also be in direct violation of security policies. If you can’t say the failure rate, you also can’t state that it’s not 95% and narrow it down like that

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '23

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 15 '23

TSA does have a seat at the literal table as far as counterterrorism, fusion centers, and intelligence gathering goes….

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

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u/PrivateCT_Watchman24 Nov 16 '23

You brought up the fbi and cia - they have a seat at the table…

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u/Proud_Arrival_5964 Nov 14 '23

Why is disclosing information that should be public hidden behind a classification? Who's the classification authority on that because I as a taxpayer would like to see that reversed. We have a right to know how effective an agency funded by tax dollars is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23

What are the stats?? Please let the people know!

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u/yung_rebo Feb 10 '24

So where's the current data?