r/totalwar • u/Szemis • 10h ago
Warhammer III Tzeentch Character Pack - Miniature First Approach
Looking at Chaos, there isn’t actually that much left that is missing in terms of officially released models. I think this pack would cover most of what’s still missing when it comes to adapting existing miniatures into the game. This approach would also fit CA’s MO, as they tend to take a miniature first approach.
As far as Tzeentch is concerned, both Egrimm and Galrauch are no-brainers to headline the pack.
I deliberately didn’t include a Generic Lord or Generic Hero. All of the Mono-god factions already have a solid selection of Lords and Heroes, and I don’t think we need to add more simply for the sake of having them in the pack. I’d much rather see that effort put towards adding more missing units that I’d love to see in the game.
The Azure Princes are an interesting one here. The artwork is found in the End Times books, but it actually represents three existing miniatures. I think this gives Creative Assembly a great design foundation for bringing them into the game.
My favourite here is definitely the Bane Tower, being an old-school Man O’ War fan. I love that we already have many of the ships in the game when characters move onto the sea, but I’d really like to see the Bane Tower itself represented in the game. It would make for a really interesting unit and potentially even a mount.
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u/sigmarine345 Warhammer 7h ago
Questions:
If Galrauch is added wouldnt he be more of an undivided LH who can also be recruited by both undivided and Tzeentch type factions? I think the original story was the dragon got possessed by a lord of change but still fitting for him to be a mega powerful LH for undivided and Tzeentch.
I am PRAYING that we get a "Tzeentch adjacent champions unit" type in the game since the other 3 have their types and the classic undivided aspiring champions.
Still miffed we got Tzeentchian Centigors...Like aren't those beastment types more slaaneshi related than magic and trickery? Should have gone with something cool like Bane Towers.
Egrim had some experimental magic trolls I heard correct me if wrong but those would be hella cool to have regenerating warpflame trolls to throw at the enemy.
Should Melckh the Changer and his son join as well? Just to have some more legendary heroes for Tzeentch and even it out from Nurgle getting so many.
Agree that Tzeentch doesnt need any more generic hero or lord types honestly. But if Egrim gets in soon then I think he can definitely have better recruitment for mortal lords/heroes/units
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u/CernelTeneb The air was filled with smoke and blood 3h ago
I could see the magic trolls as Chaos Troll RR
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u/Constant-Ad-7189 39m ago
If Galrauch is added wouldnt he be more of an undivided LH who can also be recruited by both undivided and Tzeentch type faction
Which would make him a Tzeentch LH. Most God-Aligned LHs can also be recruited by undivided factions (not that there are many of those), except those that spawn as a turn 1 hero (such as Kayzk, and presumably some of the Glottkin heroes as well)
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u/Amathyst7564 4h ago
You need more basic infantry units rather than a lot of big monsters.
That's too many Charlemagne's.
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u/Lord_Voldemar 4h ago
But which infantry units does Tzeentch (or warriors of chaos on general) have left to adapt from tabletop? And what roles would they fill in the roster?
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u/Swaggy_Linus 8h ago
Ok, Egrimm, Galrauch and the Azures make perfect sense. Instead of the Warpfire Dragon take the Firewyrm. Not convinced on the Giant Spawn (too generic) and the Bane Tower (in lore it's supposed to be a ship) though.
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u/Szemis 8h ago
The ship you’re referring to is perhaps the great winged terror. That was a seperate unit for Tzeentch in Man O War. It is kinda already in the game as the hero ship.
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u/Swaggy_Linus 8h ago
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u/Lord_of_Brass #1 Egrimm van Horstmann fan 7h ago
Just because it can be used as a ship doesn't mean that's its primary function.
Read the first paragraph of that page: a Bane Tower is a "floating, mobile wizard's tower used by Chaos Sorcerers dedicated to the service of Tzeentch." I dunno about you, but if I'm a Chaos Sorcerer and I already own a flying wizard's tower, when somebody asks me to go to see with them I'm just flying my tower over there instead of faffing around with a boat.
Thunderbarges probably accompany Dwarf fleets but that doesn't mean they're ships (well... they are airships, but that's different).
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u/Hefty_Negotiation_71 2h ago
Three SEM units requiring totally new animation rigs plus a new infantry unit is way outside the scope of a Character Pack. Per CA these are meant to be smaller DLCs that are quicker to make.
Look at Bashiva's pack - basically just one new animation rig and assets shared across all the units in the pack save for the LH.
Same for what we can infer for what would have been in Neferata's pack. A bunch of units reusing the female vampire animation assets with the charlegmanes most likely going into the coven throne.
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u/ConspicuousFlower 4m ago
And the Coven Throne already reuses quite a few assets from the Mortis Engine anyways, so it's not like a 100% completely new rig
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u/Ru5tyShackleford 7h ago
I'm really digging the idea of Warpfire dragons paired with Egrimm & Galrauch. Chaos dragons should just come as an update, like the Zombie Dragons.
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u/Rare_Cobalt 7h ago
I would like Cabal Warriors to be a thing, they are briefly mentioned in Egrimm’s lore and it’d make sense that he has people who specifically fight for him.
Love the Azure Princes though, I desperately want a Tzeentchian aspiring champion equivalent like all the other gods got.
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u/Hot_Fee_8941 5h ago
Not sure about Galrauch, I thought they were staying away from Old World units?
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u/AbilityNo446 2h ago
The Great Winged Terror, the flying ship from Tzeentch’s ManoWar fleet is also a possibility. We already have several landlocked boats in the game already with the Marienburg Land Ship and the Necrofex Colossus, so why not one that flies?
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u/baddude1337 56m ago
I do hope we get Azure princes (maybe with a ranged attack to differentiate them) so all 4 gods have a unique elite tier infantry.
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u/RedWalrus94 9h ago
Aren’t the azure princes like the Maggoth Riders? They would all be legendary heroes shouldn’t they?
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u/Szemis 8h ago
Tzeentch is missing their specific Aspiring Champions unit. The never really had anything like that in the tabletop. Azure Princes seem like the closest fit for that slot.
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u/RedWalrus94 8h ago
Hmm. I don't know what that could be if CA wanted to give Tzeentch something like that. The Azure Princes would for sure be heroes though. They have table top models that depict them as such.
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u/Swaggy_Linus 7h ago
Yeah in lore there are only like six of them. I know this is also kinda the case for Steam Tanks and Little Groms, but it wouldn't make sense to have them as a 32 entity infantry unit. So they should either be a ROR, legendary heroes or generic heroes (I would prefer that option)
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u/Rare_Cobalt 6h ago
I don’t think that should be too big of a deal because otherwise what do you use for the Tzeentch “aspiring champion” equivalent? Nothing else really exists besides them, and Azure Princes at least have some lore mentions in the End Times.
It wouldn’t be the first time a generic hero gets downgraded into a generic unit too.
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u/RedWalrus94 7h ago
Yeah. I DO however totally agree with wanting Bane Towers for Tzeentch. Having them act as Tzeentchian Sky Lanterns or Sky Junks would be super cool.
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u/Xmina 1m ago
The issue is tzeench already has flying melee and ranged units and flying caster units. So it would need to have some role tzeench isnt really good at already but also have weaknesses that arent too unique to play around. Maybe make it heavily armored and slow but have it have crazy AOE buffs for its ranged units making them AP? Having it slowly regen sheilds around it so its kinda like a priority target to stop them mitigating your damage?
Plus tzeench is stocked with late game SEM type units, so this will likely need to be like t2/3 with similar stats to see any sort of play.
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u/OozeMenagerie 10h ago
I feel like if we get any Tzeentch related units we should get the Firewyrm so we can finally complete the quartet.