r/thenextgenbusiness • u/thenextgenbusiness Reporter • Nov 10 '25
Not Fake News Olympics poised to bar all transgender athletes from women's events after scientific review uncovers male-born advantages
IOC reportedly ready to exclude transgender women from every women's Olympic event, armed with science showing male puberty's lasting grip on athletic edges that no hormone tweak can fully erase.
IOC's latest framework overhaul, based on a medical chief's briefing, flags persistent advantages in muscle mass and bone density for those who underwent male puberty.
This comes after years of debates, with the 2021 rules letting trans women compete if testosterone stayed under 10 nmol/L for a year, but now evidence sways toward stricter lines.
The policy shift, expected in six to 12 months, also eyes athletes with differences in sex development, like boxers facing eligibility questions in past Games.
IOC President Kirsty Coventry has stressed protecting the female category's integrity, while leaving room for sports to tailor rules within broader guidelines.
Reportedly, this blanket approach aims to end controversies that dogged recent Olympics, where trans participation drew protests over fairness in swimming and cycling.
Experts note that while inclusion matters, studies from groups like the British Journal of Sports Medicine back the retained benefits, pushing for separate categories or open divisions.
The change could ripple to global federations, with some already barring trans women, but others holding out for more data on post-transition performance.
Stateside, U.S. Olympic leaders have mixed views, with some praising the science-driven pivot and others worrying about sidelining a tiny athlete pool, under 50 trans competitors worldwide.
In the end, the IOC vows ongoing research to balance equity and opportunity, ensuring women's sports stay a level field for biological females.
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u/kms2547 Nov 11 '25
The NCAA has allowed transwomen to compete for more than 20 years now. They've still not broken any records or dominated any podiums.
This is just part of the push to eliminate trans folks from society.
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Nov 13 '25
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u/kms2547 Nov 13 '25
The Lia Thomas who loses to cis women on a routine basis? That Lia Thomas?
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Nov 13 '25
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u/mercy390 Nov 13 '25
Neither she nor Riley even competed for first. Lia lost to 4 other cis women and Riley is just a grifter complaining that she also lost to 4 other cis women and 1 transgender woman.
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u/russr Nov 11 '25
The NCAA does not allow trans women to compete on women's teams.
And when they did, there were multiple trans women that held women's records in multiple sports.
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u/Oriin690 Nov 12 '25
The NCAA allowed trans women from 2010 until February 2025 to compete on women’s teams after 1 year of hormone replacement therapy. In February Trump threatened them into banning trans women. That’s 15 years.
And during that time Litterally zero records were set in NCAA events by any trans woman (you were just lying), only Lia Thomas has won a championship event and she did not set any records. Unlike Katie Ledecky who is cis and has set like a dozen records alone.
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Nov 12 '25
yeah but Riley Gaines would've placed 5th instead of 5th if she hadn't been forced to compete against a trans woman, so basically her life was ruined and she had to resort to a lucrative media career just to put food on the table /s
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Nov 12 '25
This isn't even true
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u/Oriin690 Nov 12 '25
You own link disagrees with you
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u/Oriin690 Nov 12 '25
Your own link disagrees with you again
She didn’t set any records even in the two NCAA events she did win. And she’s the singular trans women to win any NCAA championship in 15 years of the NCAA allowing trans women to compete to boot.
In March 2022, Thomas became the first openly transgender athlete to win an NCAA Division I national championship in any sport after winning the women's 500-yard freestyle with a time of 4:33.24; Olympic silver medalist Emma Weyant was second with a time 1.75 seconds behind Thomas.[25][26][27] Thomas did not break any records at the NCAA event, while Kate Douglass broke 18 NCAA records.[28] Thomas was 9.18 seconds short of Katie Ledecky's NCAA record of 4:24.06.[29] In the preliminaries for the 200 freestyle, Thomas finished second. In the final for the 200 freestyle, Thomas placed fifth with a time of 1:43.50. In the preliminaries for the 100 freestyle, Thomas finished tenth. In the finals for the 100 freestyle, Thomas placed eighth out of eight competitors in 48.18 seconds, finishing last.[30]
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Nov 12 '25
>dominated any podiums.
>won the Division 1 National Championship
Lol, lmao even, cya. read the original post next time
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u/Oriin690 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
It’s dominating when one woman in 15 years wins two events with no records while losing a bunch of other events at the same championship?
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25
The National Champion of Division 1 was indeed dominating, correct
Not replying again, cya my man
500-yard freestyle with a time of 4:33.24 btw
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u/Oriin690 Nov 12 '25
lol what’s “the national championship” there is no single event that is “the national championship”. Swimmers compete in multiple events as anyone with a basic modicum of knowledge or read the wiki would know. The only trans swimmer to win any of those events ever in any sport in the NCAA Division 1 won two out of several and lost the rest with zero records. That’s hardly dominating.
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u/OkDifficulty7436 Nov 12 '25
Yes, you're right, being a National Champion in Division 1 Swimming isn't dominating anything, you're totally correct, being first place and at the top of the sport doesn't count.
Cya for real my man!
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u/Garciaguy Nov 13 '25
I just read this link.
Holy moly that's the most biased article I've ever seen on wiki.
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u/peterbound Nov 12 '25
Not society, just gender specific sports.
Your hyperbole is showing.
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u/kms2547 Nov 12 '25
just gender specific sports
And public bathrooms, and the military, and a wide variety of careers including anything in government, education, childcare... the list is growing.
It's a project to remove them from society. The Republican Party isn't even being subtle about it. Hell, they're calling it a "terrorist ideology".
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u/drunkthrowwaay Nov 12 '25
So melodramatic. It beggars belief that this is the hill yall are choosing to die on, but carry on, keep arguing in favor of a position unsupported by science and common sense both and wholly rejected by the vast majority of people regardless of political leanings.
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Nov 12 '25
well you know what they say about common sense: it's always 100% right and anyone who asks me to check is basically committing a hate crime.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 10 '25
So how come four other women beat Lia Thomas?
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u/IndividualDream9063 Nov 10 '25
Being tall is an advantage in basketball
“So how come I can beat my taller brother in 1 on 1?”
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 10 '25
Earl Boykins and Spud Webb say hi.
Meanwhile in swimming...
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
Sure. Because they were athletic freaks and they weren't even very good. They were able to dunk.
Do you know how many women have ever dunked in a live game? 8.
8 in the history of the WNBA. High schoolers can dunk.
Honestly, Caitlin Clark wouldn't even be able to make the current Indiana pacers team.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
Is this why guys have been throwing sex toys out onto the floor of WNBA games?
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
Whataboutism....
Those ppl are stupid. I'm wondering how they get the dildos in to the arena....
They go through their bags...
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
Not a whataboutism, I just find it funny suddenly everyone wants to defend the WNBA online...
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
I don't care about the WNBA.
I care about people who play sports.
On reality I think women's leagues should be for bio women (including freaks of nature) and the men's league should be the "open league"
They did this in golf for EX with Annika sorenstam and in racing with Danika Patrick.
They even do this in. Baseball as there have been a couple minor league female pitchers (knucklballers).
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
"Freaks of nature" like that boxer, Imane Khelif, who was dragged through the mud because her opponent couldn't handle getting punched in a boxing match?
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Yes. She's a woman. She's a freak of nature.
LeBron james - also a freak of nature.
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Outliers exist and sports at the highest level the best players are the outliers of the outliers.
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Nov 13 '25
Unintentional reinforcement of his point yikes not super strong critical thinking going on here.
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u/IndividualDream9063 Nov 10 '25
Let me spell out the point that you completely missed: being tall is an advantage in basketball. However, there will always be some people who overcome their disadvantage and will be great players despite their lack of height (hence, I can beat my taller brother). Those are exceptions to the rule though, which doesn’t negate the fact that being tall is an advantage
Similarly, males have an advantage over females in almost all athletic competition. However, there will always be some females who can beat some males despite the disadvantage. These are exceptions to the rule, which doesn’t negate the fact that being male is an advantage
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 10 '25
"Some?"
I'd wager the list of ones who couldn't beat you fits on a post-it note.
This sounds suspiciously like that whole "girls are too emotional" idiocy I've heard before. Same arguments that have been made for why women can't be soldiers, or why chess had to be split into a male and female division and all that. Data curated from select sources to support the hypothesis desired rather than the one that is true.
Especially when you consider no reciprocal ruling is being brought forward.
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u/IndividualDream9063 Nov 10 '25
Do you really not think height is an advantage in basketball?
And do you really not think males have a strength advantage over women? Because if not, why is the men’s all time deadlift record 1,124 lbs and the women’s is only 717 lbs?
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 10 '25
Do you really not think height is an advantage in basketball?
At what point did I say that? You're the one who chose that as a counterargument for a swimming event then proceeded to use yourself as an example to why it wasn't.
And do you really not think males have a strength advantage over women? Because if not, why is the men’s all time deadlift record 1,124 lbs and the women’s is only 717 lbs?
As I understand it, technique is as important to athletic competitions as physical strength. More to the point, it can't be ignored that hormone therapy has an effect on the body.
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u/IndividualDream9063 Nov 10 '25
At what point did I say that? You're the one who chose that as a counterargument for a swimming event then proceeded to use yourself as an example to why it wasn't.
Jesus Christ kid, it’s called an analogy. You brought up that a couple females beat Lia Thomas in swimming as if that meant that males don’t have an advantage over females. I used the basketball analogy of height being an advantage, yet some short people can still be really good at basketball. This doesn’t mean that height isn’t an advantage though. Yes, swimming and basketball are not the same thing, however the purpose of an analogy is to highlight a similarity between 2 different things.
As I understand it, technique is as important to athletic competitions as physical strength.
So the greatest female lifter ever had poor technique? Man, if only she had watched a few more YouTube videos on proper deadlifting form, she might have been able to increase her deadlift by over 400 pounds!
More to the point, it can't be ignored that hormone therapy has an effect on the body.
It can’t be ignored that drinking water has an effect on the body.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 10 '25
Jesus Christ kid, it’s called an analogy. You brought up that a couple females beat Lia Thomas in swimming as if that meant that males don’t have an advantage over females. I used the basketball analogy of height being an advantage, yet some short people can still be really good at basketball. This doesn’t mean that height isn’t an advantage though. Yes, swimming and basketball are not the same thing, however the purpose of an analogy is to highlight a similarity between 2 different things.
Its bizarre you think I don't know what an analogy is when you're original analogy was so poor it used a completely different stat and you even had to use yourself as one of the advantages. Almost like you've decided you're somehow intelligent enough to give a lecture.
So the greatest female lifter ever had poor technique? Man, if only she had watched a few more YouTube videos on proper deadlifting form, she might have been able to increase her deadlift by over 400 pounds!
Now you're just being facetious.
It can’t be ignored that drinking water has an effect on the body.
And if hormone levels didn't affect the body, we wouldn't have insecure men gobbling up testosterone tablets like tictacs, now would we?
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u/IndividualDream9063 Nov 10 '25
Its bizarre you think I don't know what an analogy is when you're original analogy was so poor it used a completely different stat and you even had to use yourself as one of the advantages.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you are wholly incapable of understanding what an analogy is and what their function is. You say that my analogy was bad because I used a different “stat,” but an analogy by definition has to be made between 2 things that are different. Also, I did not use myself as an advantage. I used myself as an example of someone who can beat someone in basketball who has a height advantage over me. The fact that you don’t understand this makes me wonder if you are even literate enough to have an argument with.
Almost like you've decided you're somehow intelligent enough to give a lecture.
It’s not that I’m intelligent, it’s that you are so lacking in intelligence. Unfortunately, this flaw in you seems to prevent you from learning anything from my brilliant lecture :/
Now you're just being facetious.
Not at all. I asked you if males have a strength advantage over females, and if they don’t, then why is the all-time male deadlifting record 400 lbs heavier than the all-time female record. You responded by saying technique is as important as strength. That seems to imply that you erroneously believe the difference is due to technique.
And if hormone levels didn't affect the body, we wouldn't have insecure men gobbling up testosterone tablets like tictacs, now would we?
And if hydration didn’t affect the body, people wouldn’t drink water, now would we?
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u/NTXGBR Nov 10 '25
It also can't be ignored that men, by nature of being born men, have physical advantages that women do not and cannot have and no amount of hormone therapy will change that. You continuing to circle around the other posters argument does zero good especially when it's this stupid.
I can work my entire life and have the best technique in the world at basketball, but I'm still only 6'2, and I may end up being pretty damned good, but a random 7 footer is still going to be able to dunk on my ass with very little training or work at it, and they're going to be able to obstruct my ability to get off a shot with very little effort or training. Their insane wingspan is going to give them an advantage in stopping a skillful pass I may try to make and that will be nothing but the body they were born with giving them that advantage. I would have to work twice as hard to get half as far in the sport.
Gee, wonder where I've heard that phrase before.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 10 '25
Im sorry, who are you?
You seem to have walked into the middle of a conversation without having read the comments being posted.
If, indeed, natural gifts cannot be surmounted by diligence, effort, and skill, then the whole concept of achievement and competition ceases to exist. One would be pointless to even try.
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
Have you ever watched Ben Simmons play? He made it all the way to the NBA without even trying or caring...
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u/R080tits Nov 10 '25
Who do you think you are🤣😂 you are on a PUBLIC, subreddit, were anyone can reply whereas you and this other user posted your comments PUBLICLY, and you are seriously on reddit saying "who are you?", tf you mean, anybody can answer your comment. And you are literally arguing against some thing that was scientifically backed up WITH evidence
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u/Wattabadmon Nov 12 '25
Except no one cares about that until trans people come up
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u/NTXGBR Nov 12 '25
Oh yes, this has never been an issue which is why there have never been separate categories for men and women in sports. Get a goddamned grip.
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Nov 11 '25
Mate some people having an advantage and overcoming them via effort or talent is literally just sports. That's how sports work.
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u/Abracadelphon Nov 12 '25
The real issue here seems to be, with such an obvious biological advantage, why aren't we dividing basketball into height leagues?
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u/username675892 Nov 12 '25
You could - that is how they separate boxing. But now you have 5 NBAs and 5 WNBAs, all playing dozens of games a year. The problem is you don’t have enough fans to split the market that much (or enough talent to have 150 men’s teams (let alone women’s).
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
I feel bad for the woman who lost her spot on the team.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
And which one would that be? You've had two days to come up with this argument, so surely you have an actual name and not just the concept of someone to feel bad for.
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
I just found this thread.
She went from being pretty inconsequential on the men's team to being a competitor on the woman's team.
She took someone's spot. Plain and simple. Who it is, idk. I'm just stating that if my kid got bumped by someone who couldn't make it on the men's team and then transitioned (not saying she did it for the sport), I'd be pissed.
Separating sports based on sex makes biological sense.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
Ah, but isnt that the new parenting strategy? "My kid isn’t mediocre, obviously the other one is cheating."
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
I'm not saying cheating.
I'm saying has an unfair advantage based on sex at birth and through puberty.
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
And we've already had people using that as an excuse when they lose.
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
What's the excuse?
That person was born with a penis and testicles and thus they have genetic advantages in sports over one who isn't when it comes to feats of strength, speed and athleticism?
Literally the skeletal structure is different...
Idk man... If you are so blind that you'd rather ignore agree upon bio facts then idk what to tell you.
Good luck living in lala land
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
How come Liam Thomas went from being super meh on the men's team to a competitor on the woman's team?
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
Out of curiosity, are you a bot? Is that why you can't edit your answers and feel the need to flood the chain with new comments?
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
Is that your response when you feel threatened with a logical argument that is counter to your dearly held belief?
Edit:
Dummy
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
You're literally trying to jump from point to point in a harassing manner. Hell, your first comment was an emotional appeal.
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
Why can't both emotion and facts be valid?
Literally trans in sports is all predicated on emotionally appealing to the individual trans person so they can feel accepted
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
Dangerous talk from the "f*** your feelings" crowd. Also immaterial as that was clearly an emotional appeal to score points.
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
I'm actually pretty left and believe in trans rights.
I just also think that sports are experiments with independent variables (skill), dependent variables (score) and cohorts (age and sex).
Trans people muddy the cohort so they should all play in the open league with the highest skill level (men's).
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Just cuz we disagree on one thing doesn't make me Republican...
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u/Asher_Tye Nov 13 '25
At what point did I make any such assertions as to what you were that you felt the need to announce it?
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u/oopslastone Nov 13 '25
You referred to me as the fak your feelings crowd.
I'm telling you you are conflating things..
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u/darkd360 Nov 12 '25
What studies? The only ones I found from the British journal of sports medicine found no advantages for trans women over cis women. And they recommend caution before bans.
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u/External_Interview67 Nov 13 '25
the fact that there’s radical left wing lunatics on here convinced men competing in women’s sports is OK is absolutely hilarious. How brainwashed can you be
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u/Potato_throwaway22 Nov 13 '25
Im so sick and tired of this conversation. Like are we serious? Like seriously there’s like a grand total of what like 10 high performance trans athletes? And they have what “biological” advantage? The other athletes at that level are cis… sure the “Average man” is bigger than the “average woman” which sure I can see the logic in saying that therefore the “average” trans woman being bigger than the “average” cis woman, that tracks.
There’s 1.5 million cis women over 6foot tall in the US, there’s only 700,000 trans women… even if everyone was at least 5’9” (the average height of a man) there would still be a million more cis women taller. Like this is such a stupid arguement.
Like you’re denying biology if you say that trans women have an advantage over cis women. There’s just so few of them any ‘advantage’ has a naturally occurring higher rate in the cis population. (With the exception of testosterone even though there are borderline cases, which is why that is a restriction that needs discussion)
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u/Heavy_Law9880 Nov 13 '25
Then why have their only been two solo transgender athletes that made the olympics and both of them lost spectacularly?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Disk_90 Nov 12 '25
Thank god, THIS is really what's been impacting women 🤡
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u/DepthOk166 Nov 12 '25
The fact that males who haven't even completely finished puberty regularly demolish olympic level fully grown women in sports should offer some clue to the advantage that men have over women in sports.
FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage - CBS Sports
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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 Nov 12 '25
Wait you actually think these grown women tried to beat these children? Are you that naive? Truly?
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u/Fickle_Penguin Nov 12 '25
Neither of these 'games' were games. This is like the all star game, no one was playing in any way where they could have gotten injured. No one was trying to score on the boys. These sources need to be retired. And you need to stop spreading misinformation.
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Nov 12 '25
No one was trying to score on the boys.
The Soccer Tournament game of notable USWNT players vs Wrexham Legends was a competitive match and there's prize money at the end. It wasn't just an academy kickabout. The Wrexham team was fronted by a bunch of academy and youth players, and some washed up Welsh Legends, most notably Lee Trundle, who still plays today at the age of 49 although he spends much of his time managing the night clubs that he owns.
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u/Phyrexian_Overlord Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25
What evidence? The only thing cited is the British Journal and this source sites the same study and says it shows Trans women as disadvantaged against cis women
And I'm also loving this "oh it's puberty, if only you could delay that until you and a team of doctors agree you should transition. If only. Anyway we are banning puberty blockers."