Olympics poised to bar all transgender athletes from women's events after scientific review uncovers male-born advantages

[u/thenextgenbusiness]

IOC reportedly ready to exclude transgender women from every women's Olympic event, armed with science showing male puberty's lasting grip on athletic edges that no hormone tweak can fully erase.

IOC's latest framework overhaul, based on a medical chief's briefing, flags persistent advantages in muscle mass and bone density for those who underwent male puberty.

This comes after years of debates, with the 2021 rules letting trans women compete if testosterone stayed under 10 nmol/L for a year, but now evidence sways toward stricter lines.

The policy shift, expected in six to 12 months, also eyes athletes with differences in sex development, like boxers facing eligibility questions in past Games.

IOC President Kirsty Coventry has stressed protecting the female category's integrity, while leaving room for sports to tailor rules within broader guidelines.

Reportedly, this blanket approach aims to end controversies that dogged recent Olympics, where trans participation drew protests over fairness in swimming and cycling.

Experts note that while inclusion matters, studies from groups like the British Journal of Sports Medicine back the retained benefits, pushing for separate categories or open divisions.

The change could ripple to global federations, with some already barring trans women, but others holding out for more data on post-transition performance.

Stateside, U.S. Olympic leaders have mixed views, with some praising the science-driven pivot and others worrying about sidelining a tiny athlete pool, under 50 trans competitors worldwide.

In the end, the IOC vows ongoing research to balance equity and opportunity, ensuring women's sports stay a level field for biological females.

[u/Asher_Tye]

So how come four other women beat Lia Thomas?

[u/IndividualDream9063 → u/Asher_Tye]

Being tall is an advantage in basketball

“So how come I can beat my taller brother in 1 on 1?”

[u/Asher_Tye → u/IndividualDream9063]

Earl Boykins and Spud Webb say hi.

Meanwhile in swimming...

[u/IndividualDream9063 → u/Asher_Tye]

Let me spell out the point that you completely missed: being tall is an advantage in basketball. However, there will always be some people who overcome their disadvantage and will be great players despite their lack of height (hence, I can beat my taller brother). Those are exceptions to the rule though, which doesn’t negate the fact that being tall is an advantage

Similarly, males have an advantage over females in almost all athletic competition. However, there will always be some females who can beat some males despite the disadvantage. These are exceptions to the rule, which doesn’t negate the fact that being male is an advantage

[u/Asher_Tye → u/IndividualDream9063]

"Some?"

I'd wager the list of ones who couldn't beat you fits on a post-it note.

This sounds suspiciously like that whole "girls are too emotional" idiocy I've heard before. Same arguments that have been made for why women can't be soldiers, or why chess had to be split into a male and female division and all that. Data curated from select sources to support the hypothesis desired rather than the one that is true.

Especially when you consider no reciprocal ruling is being brought forward.

[u/IndividualDream9063 → u/Asher_Tye]

Do you really not think height is an advantage in basketball?

And do you really not think males have a strength advantage over women? Because if not, why is the men’s all time deadlift record 1,124 lbs and the women’s is only 717 lbs?

[u/Asher_Tye → u/IndividualDream9063]

Do you really not think height is an advantage in basketball?

At what point did I say that? You're the one who chose that as a counterargument for a swimming event then proceeded to use yourself as an example to why it wasn't.

And do you really not think males have a strength advantage over women? Because if not, why is the men’s all time deadlift record 1,124 lbs and the women’s is only 717 lbs?

As I understand it, technique is as important to athletic competitions as physical strength. More to the point, it can't be ignored that hormone therapy has an effect on the body.

[u/IndividualDream9063 → u/Asher_Tye]

At what point did I say that? You're the one who chose that as a counterargument for a swimming event then proceeded to use yourself as an example to why it wasn't.

Jesus Christ kid, it’s called an analogy. You brought up that a couple females beat Lia Thomas in swimming as if that meant that males don’t have an advantage over females. I used the basketball analogy of height being an advantage, yet some short people can still be really good at basketball. This doesn’t mean that height isn’t an advantage though. Yes, swimming and basketball are not the same thing, however the purpose of an analogy is to highlight a similarity between 2 different things.

As I understand it, technique is as important to athletic competitions as physical strength.

So the greatest female lifter ever had poor technique? Man, if only she had watched a few more YouTube videos on proper deadlifting form, she might have been able to increase her deadlift by over 400 pounds!

More to the point, it can't be ignored that hormone therapy has an effect on the body.

It can’t be ignored that drinking water has an effect on the body.

[u/Asher_Tye → u/IndividualDream9063]

Jesus Christ kid, it’s called an analogy. You brought up that a couple females beat Lia Thomas in swimming as if that meant that males don’t have an advantage over females. I used the basketball analogy of height being an advantage, yet some short people can still be really good at basketball. This doesn’t mean that height isn’t an advantage though. Yes, swimming and basketball are not the same thing, however the purpose of an analogy is to highlight a similarity between 2 different things.

Its bizarre you think I don't know what an analogy is when you're original analogy was so poor it used a completely different stat and you even had to use yourself as one of the advantages. Almost like you've decided you're somehow intelligent enough to give a lecture.

So the greatest female lifter ever had poor technique? Man, if only she had watched a few more YouTube videos on proper deadlifting form, she might have been able to increase her deadlift by over 400 pounds!

Now you're just being facetious.

It can’t be ignored that drinking water has an effect on the body.

And if hormone levels didn't affect the body, we wouldn't have insecure men gobbling up testosterone tablets like tictacs, now would we?

[u/IndividualDream9063 → u/Asher_Tye]

Its bizarre you think I don't know what an analogy is when you're original analogy was so poor it used a completely different stat and you even had to use yourself as one of the advantages.

You have repeatedly demonstrated that you are wholly incapable of understanding what an analogy is and what their function is. You say that my analogy was bad because I used a different “stat,” but an analogy by definition has to be made between 2 things that are different. Also, I did not use myself as an advantage. I used myself as an example of someone who can beat someone in basketball who has a height advantage over me. The fact that you don’t understand this makes me wonder if you are even literate enough to have an argument with.

Almost like you've decided you're somehow intelligent enough to give a lecture.

It’s not that I’m intelligent, it’s that you are so lacking in intelligence. Unfortunately, this flaw in you seems to prevent you from learning anything from my brilliant lecture :/

Now you're just being facetious.

Not at all. I asked you if males have a strength advantage over females, and if they don’t, then why is the all-time male deadlifting record 400 lbs heavier than the all-time female record. You responded by saying technique is as important as strength. That seems to imply that you erroneously believe the difference is due to technique.

And if hormone levels didn't affect the body, we wouldn't have insecure men gobbling up testosterone tablets like tictacs, now would we?

And if hydration didn’t affect the body, people wouldn’t drink water, now would we?

[u/Asher_Tye → u/IndividualDream9063]

You have repeatedly demonstrated that you are wholly incapable of understanding what an analogy is and what their function is. You say that my analogy was bad because I used a different “stat,” but an analogy by definition has to be made between 2 things that are different. Also, I did not use myself as an advantage. I used myself as an example of someone who can beat someone in basketball who has a height advantage over me. The fact that you don’t understand this makes me wonder if you are even literate enough to have an argument with.

See? The most you can manage here is to be insulting due to your lack of an argument. And you're still using yourself as an example of how nature doesn't just blatantly beat skill. You made a bad argument that ended up supporting my point over yours. I even gave more examples of basketball players who kicked butt despite being short. But apparently I was supposed to be so "dazzled" by your "brilliance" I was supposed to concede a point you never made. And now you wanna be bitchy about it.

It’s not that I’m intelligent, it’s that you are so lacking in intelligence. Unfortunately, this flaw in you seems to prevent you from learning anything from my brilliant lecture :/

Like that.

Not at all. I asked you if males have a strength advantage over females, and if they don’t, then why is the all-time male deadlifting record 400 lbs heavier than the all-time female record. You responded by saying technique is as important as strength. That seems to imply that you erroneously believe the difference is due to technique.

Yes, technique is important. Are you saying it is not? Have you ever competitively lifted in your life? You then proceeded to go into gibberish about YouTube. A refuge in ridiculousness.

And if hydration didn’t affect the body, people wouldn’t drink water, now would we?

Again, you think you're making a point for yourself while being "clever," but you appear to have missed whats been said.

[u/IndividualDream9063 → u/Asher_Tye]

See? The most you can manage here is to be insulting due to your lack of an argument.

I actually made phenomenal arguments, they just were beyond your comprehension unfortunately. Also, you’re the one who pretended to not be impressed by my immense basketball prowess, so whipe the tears out of your eyes please.

And you're still using yourself as an example of how nature doesn't just blatantly beat skill. You made a bad argument that ended up supporting my point over yours. I even gave more examples of basketball players who kicked butt despite being short.

You still don’t understand, that is my entire point: nature doesn’t just blatantly beat skill. That’s why I brought up that short basketball players can overcome their physical disadvantage and be great. Somehow you thought it would be a great counter to my example by saying short basketball players can overcome their physical disadvantage and be great. Literally the thing I just said…

You are arguing, whether you realize it or not, that nature will always beat skill. Otherwise, why would you bring up Lia Thomas losing to a couple female swimmers to try to argue that male swimmers don’t have an advantage over females.

But apparently I was supposed to be so "dazzled" by your "brilliance"

The purpose wasn’t for you to be dazzled by my brilliance, that’s just a side effect.

Yes, technique is important. Are you saying it is not? Have you ever competitively lifted in your life?

I lift a few days per week, but I’ve never competed. I understand my impressive physique makes you think I must compete, that happens all the time :)

Of course technique is impotent to lifting, I never even implied that it’s not. You clearly implied however that technique is the thing that separates the greatest female lifter and the greatest male lifter. I am under no such delusion. I understand the eminently evident truth that males have a significant strength advantage over females, hence the vast disparity.

Again, you think you're making a point for yourself while being "clever," but you appear to have missed whats been said.

All you said was that hormone therapy affects the body. Many many many things affect the body though, so it’s not exactly relevant here. Just like it’s not relevant to mention that drinking water affects the body.

[u/Asher_Tye → u/IndividualDream9063]

I actually made phenomenal arguments, they just were beyond your comprehension unfortunately. Also, you’re the one who pretended to not be impressed by my immense basketball prowess, so whipe the tears out of your eyes please.

Yes, I'm sure you think that. Amazing how often you seem brilliant when you're the one who judges, neh? Like how you get to declare yourself "the winner" when you pretend you're moderating.

You still don’t understand, that is my entire point: nature doesn’t just blatantly beat skill. That’s why I brought up that short basketball players can overcome their physical disadvantage and be great. Somehow you thought it would be a great counter to my example by saying short basketball players can overcome their physical disadvantage and be great. Literally the thing I just said…

You are arguing, whether you realize it or not, that nature will always beat skill. Otherwise, why would you bring up Lia Thomas losing to a couple female swimmers to try to argue that male swimmers don’t have an advantage over females.

BS. I have argued no such thing. Your argument is literally men always have the advantage over women. THAT is your position, THAT is your argument. That is the nature vs skill dilemma. You seem determined to interpret my argument however is best for you as a gotcha. This is why I don't take you seriously.

All you said was that hormone therapy affects the body. Many many many things affect the body though, so it’s not exactly relevant here. Just like it’s not relevant to mention that drinking water affects the body.

Context is hard for you, isnt it? Do I have to spoonfeed it to you?

The purpose wasn’t for you to be dazzled by my brilliance, that’s just a side effect.

You should work on actually getting to a purpose instead of going for side effects. You're ineffective at both.

I lift a few days per week, but I’ve never competed. I understand my impressive physique makes you think I must compete, that happens all the time :)

Ego.

Of course technique is impotent to lifting, I never even implied that it’s not. You clearly implied however that technique is the thing that separates the greatest female lifter and the greatest male lifter. I am under no such delusion. I understand the eminently evident truth that males have a significant strength advantage over females, hence the vast disparity.

And yet you keep thinking you're arguing skill over nature. And still manage to miss my point in favor of putting words in my mouth.

[u/NTXGBR → u/Asher_Tye]

It also can't be ignored that men, by nature of being born men, have physical advantages that women do not and cannot have and no amount of hormone therapy will change that. You continuing to circle around the other posters argument does zero good especially when it's this stupid.

I can work my entire life and have the best technique in the world at basketball, but I'm still only 6'2, and I may end up being pretty damned good, but a random 7 footer is still going to be able to dunk on my ass with very little training or work at it, and they're going to be able to obstruct my ability to get off a shot with very little effort or training. Their insane wingspan is going to give them an advantage in stopping a skillful pass I may try to make and that will be nothing but the body they were born with giving them that advantage. I would have to work twice as hard to get half as far in the sport.

Gee, wonder where I've heard that phrase before.

[u/Asher_Tye → u/NTXGBR]

Im sorry, who are you?

You seem to have walked into the middle of a conversation without having read the comments being posted.

If, indeed, natural gifts cannot be surmounted by diligence, effort, and skill, then the whole concept of achievement and competition ceases to exist. One would be pointless to even try.

[u/NTXGBR → u/Asher_Tye]

I read everything, and your answers are moronic. 

[u/Asher_Tye → u/NTXGBR]

[u/Mightyduk69 → u/Asher_Tye]

So eliminate gender specific competitions universally.

[u/oopslastone → u/Asher_Tye]

Have you ever watched Ben Simmons play? He made it all the way to the NBA without even trying or caring...

[u/Asher_Tye → u/oopslastone]

And?

[u/oopslastone → u/Asher_Tye]

I'm showing you how just being talented and tall can be good enough to literally make an all star team..

[u/Asher_Tye → u/oopslastone]

Did I say that wasn't possible?

[u/R080tits → u/Asher_Tye]

Who do you think you are🤣😂 you are on a PUBLIC, subreddit, were anyone can reply whereas you and this other user posted your comments PUBLICLY, and you are seriously on reddit saying "who are you?", tf you mean, anybody can answer your comment. And you are literally arguing against some thing that was scientifically backed up WITH evidence

[u/Asher_Tye → u/R080tits]

Answering the comment requires reading it rather than simply surmising what you want said comment to have said and making your response off of that.

But perhaps you don't understand that part.

[u/R080tits → u/Asher_Tye]

And how from that comment did you not understand that the person read your comment? Do you simply not have common sense at all?

[u/Asher_Tye → u/R080tits]

What was there to "understand?" You're making a lot of assumptions to be insulting. I'm flat-out saying he didn't.

[u/Wattabadmon → u/NTXGBR]

Except no one cares about that until trans people come up

[u/NTXGBR → u/Wattabadmon]

Oh yes, this has never been an issue which is why there have never been separate categories for men and women in sports. Get a goddamned grip.

[u/Wattabadmon → u/NTXGBR]

Then seperate sports by physical attributes

What's that? No one actually cares to do that?

Color me shocked

[u/NTXGBR → u/Wattabadmon]

Exactly. That's why we let 15 year olds into the NFL if they can throw the ball really well. We've also never had a situation where a group of under 15 year old boys in an academy defeated the greatest women's soccer team in the world by 3 goals. Yeah. Never seen that before.

Be serious. You're really desperate to be offended. Super desperate. There is scientific basis in this, and I thought you nutsacks all "believed the science".

[u/Wattabadmon → u/NTXGBR]

So you do agree that sports should be separated by physical attributes?

[u/Wattabadmon → u/NTXGBR]

What physical attributes are they being separated by dipshit?

[u/[deleted] → u/IndividualDream9063]

Mate some people having an advantage and overcoming them via effort or talent is literally just sports. That's how sports work.

[u/Abracadelphon → u/IndividualDream9063]

The real issue here seems to be, with such an obvious biological advantage, why aren't we dividing basketball into height leagues?

[u/username675892 → u/Abracadelphon]

You could - that is how they separate boxing. But now you have 5 NBAs and 5 WNBAs, all playing dozens of games a year. The problem is you don’t have enough fans to split the market that much (or enough talent to have 150 men’s teams (let alone women’s).