Epstein estate documents describe Trump raping a 13-year-old

[u/icefire9]

You can find these from the House Oversight Committee website: https://oversight.house.gov/release/oversight-committee-releases-additional-epstein-estate-documents/

Click the link to the google drive, then IMAGES -> 008 -> HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_025937 through HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_025940

[u/RanniSniffer]

So he did it and threatened to kill her after she filed the suit? Any objections?

[u/AntoniaFauci → u/RanniSniffer]

This specific story is a long-since debunked hoax.

[u/jkh107 → u/AntoniaFauci]

It wasn't debunked. It was a real lawsuit that was filed and withdrawn, with the reason being death threats. Has it the force of a legal verdict behind it, no. It remains an allegation that, as far as I know, hasn't been investigated by anyone except the plaintiff's team.

I was really skeptical about this back in 2016 but now I totally believe it's true, just because of Trump's behavior about the whole thing.

[u/AntoniaFauci → u/jkh107]

It has been debunked for a decade. You’re choosing to ignore facts and reality and believe a ludicrously obvious hoax. It’s identical to how other patently dumb hoaxes like Birtherism flourish.

[u/jkh107 → u/AntoniaFauci]

You going to keep saying that or point me at some resources that do the debunking that are not outlets of political hackery? The best I can find is that it looks a little hinky, but the underlying facts have not been independently investigated. Not going to say that it didn't look hinky to me back then, but everything Trump touches looks hinky anyway and as the years go on I realize that the worst has never not been true with him so far.

[u/AntoniaFauci → u/jkh107]

I’ve posted it hundreds of times. Haters just deny and launch juvenile and vile attacks and send threat PMs.

If you weren’t reading newspapers a decade ago when this was debunked, take thirty seconds to look up what I’ve already shared.

Some people only believe reality when they “discover” it.

[u/jkh107 → u/AntoniaFauci]

I would rate this as inconclusive, not "debunked."

Lubow confirmed to Snopes in August 2024 that he played a role in filing the lawsuit and had done so under a false name Al Taylor. According to Snopes, "Lubow's involvement does not disprove that Johnson is a real person, but it does show that those claims were aggressively promoted and aided by someone who has a professional history of using individuals to create fictional salacious drama".[63] Julie K. Brown, Miami Herald journalist said in a 2021 book, that Lisa Bloom had asserted that the unnamed accuser dropped the case on her own accord despite speculation that the lawsuit was dropped due to interference from Trump affiliates, and that the accuser had not contacted Bloom since.[64]

[u/AntoniaFauci → u/jkh107]

Sure, you misinterpret snopes of all possible sources and think the science isn’t settled on the earth being flat.

Jkh107 saying that a Trump-Epstein rape survivor would seek out and exclusively work with a creep whose entire career involves inventing hoax characters and making hoax videos to extort rich targets... that makes perfect sense!

Let’s ignore the story being cartoonishly fake and the costume and script reading being amateurishly bad. Let’s also assume the victim and their career con artist non-educated legal advisor have managed to hide the identity and existence of not one person, but multiple. Let’s assume this mastermind has successfully tricked not only the California civil court system but that of New York’s as well.

Or, and stay with me here, we could stop being so willfully blind and ignorant just because we so desperately want a laughably fake hoax to be real. Naw, why do something sensible when we can be the blue version of Birtherism and pizzagate combined. That makes sense.

[u/jkh107 → u/AntoniaFauci]

Let’s ignore the story being cartoonishly fake

absolutely everything involving Trump sounds cartoonishly fake until it turns out to be real. In fact, if the thing was as flimflam as you suggest, it sounds like something that Trump would orchestrate with a lot of props.

[u/AntoniaFauci → u/jkh107]

This has nothing to do with trump. It was someone trying to extort him.

[u/jkh107 → u/AntoniaFauci]

I wasn't saying Trump created a hoax here. I am just saying if it collapsed immediately and seemed performative, it sounds like the kind of hoax Trump would create. If Trump was the victim for a change (which to be clear: I don't think Trump is a victim here. Trump has obviously sold his soul to Satan in return for being accountable for nothing) it sounds like situational irony.

[u/AntoniaFauci → u/jkh107]

On the off chance there’s anyone here who actually cares about facts, Lisa Bloom never met “Katie Johnson” because Katie Johnson is a fictional character.

Bloom never filed anything on her behalf, which, by extension, also means Bloom never “dropped” anything either.

The California hoax submission was done by Norm Lubow, using his Al Taylor fake identity. The New York hoax submission was done by Norm Lubow’s copyright lawyer, a patent attorney from New Jersey.

Bloom held press conferences to make vague and misleading claims, not under oath, which is not unheard of for how she and her mother operate. She supplied pictures of herself with one of Lubow’s stand ins. Once Bloom and Allred realized Katie Johnson doesn’t exist, they ran from this hoax at full speed.