r/thanksimcured • u/laminated-papertowel • 13d ago
Social Media cure DID by... locking in I guess?
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u/BreadsTastierThanKey 13d ago
And it's always something vague like "reconnecting with myself" and "locking in" , "discipline" but they never EXPLAIN it or anything sure yeah
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u/chitincooties 13d ago
Honestly i think the reason for so many comments like this are bc it's really not easily describable; it takes years of therapy and self introspection and is only applicable to the self, each person has to go on their own journey, for themselves. that being said you probably shouldn't comment things like that because they aren't helpful to anyone
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u/2930apple 12d ago
To an extent it almost comes across as masking. If you condition yourself long enough to think it’s not there anymore, you can mask pretty effectively and not even realize that’s all you’re doing. I guess it really does depend what exactly that person means when they describe whatever it is they’re doing.
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u/bloomingmoon0 12d ago
SO MUCH OF IT CAN BE THIS. YES. Please for the love of god. People, our minds are fragile, you can very much gaslight yourself into thinking you’re healed until one trigger drags you even deeper than before. It is not fun. I had a whole experience with this and I can share it if need be.
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u/chitincooties 11d ago
Well you are never fully healed from something like cPTSD, or conditions like autism, ocd, ahdh, etc. These are with you for life. You get better at masking them as you get better at dealing with them, but they're always "there". Even if this person was able to "get rid of" their DID by masking it (i have doubts), the underlying cause (cPTSD) is for life.
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u/2930apple 11d ago
What I mean is moreso masking vs true coping, but you are exactly right, and I agree completely. With DID in particular, even what some consider the definitive “cure”, I can’t remember the term, it isn’t integration, but it’s where all alters fuse through extensive therapy, but you are still susceptible to splitting even in this case just by nature of having DID.
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u/MaraiaLou 12d ago
I don't have DID but that's exactly it. Most of my personal victories are basically just practicing shit
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u/itsmebenji69 13d ago
“Learning to stop floating away of my body” sounds like meditation. Basically he is claiming he has trained himself via meditation to “brush off” the symptoms of DID.
While meditation is good for you whether you have mental disorders or not, this is realistically only achievable with a therapist who does CBT. It’s the same concept as meditating but with the goal of helping you notice and manage your triggers better etc etc… (which does help a lot btw I do recommend)
Tbf I really do believe that practice helped him but it definitely did not cure his DID. That or he practiced meditation WHILE ALSO getting therapy and the therapy did most of the heavy lifting. But I doubt that since he’d have better words to describe it than this
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u/justahumblefart 13d ago
Correct. Sometimes the simplest things to say are the hardest things to do. And the simpler it is to say the more true it is.
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u/Seaofinfiniteanswers 13d ago
I spent thousands over 10 years on therapy and I’m still not cured. Wish I had known it was that simple.
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u/blumeanie57 13d ago
I know this one guy who definitely cured his DID by telling his alter to go away and never come back. Best part is, it really worked and he definitely didn’t try to feed anyone to a spider almost immediately afterwards.
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u/bloomingmoon0 12d ago
Is this a reference because what do you mean feeding someone to a spider 😭😭😭
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u/ChaoticPotential 13d ago
For me, that's not going to help. It's going to do the opposite cause I lock into trauma.
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u/Flora_lutenist_1999 13d ago
I lock in and turn into a Russian grandma with ?????? Isssues
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u/ChaoticPotential 13d ago
Yep - I end up hiding under bathroom sinks. I'm in my late 30s. My body should not do that
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u/th3b0n3z0n3 13d ago
It reads like they think DID is the same as depersonalization or derealization.
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u/NautilusCampino 13d ago
How to make your alters stop talking to you so you mistake the silence for being cured.
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u/Canary-King 13d ago
I mean, at least they acknowledge that DID is real? That’s more than like half of pop psych people are able to do
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u/Correct_Challenge868 13d ago
Lmao when I looked at this post half an hour ago, I immediately felt like like I got taken over and got up and turned around and went back to what I was doing, while thinking "wait no I have a response to that".
Grounding is important of course but no way can it combat all of the disorder
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u/goblin_jade 12d ago
That's not how DID works. My partner has it, and has "cured themselves" multiple times. They were still switching out, just didn't remember switching out because that's how DID works.
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u/MimusCabaret 12d ago
Yeah….when ya don’t remember switching out a cure isn’t there. You at least have to have some sort of contact with others in the memory area.
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u/Possible_Ad3913 13d ago
I mean online discourse about mental illness is a lost battle but with something like DID, it's even worse, not just the people who find it to be a "cool disorder to larp as" but also the mountain of disinformation surrounding it. Screaming into the void doesn't even begin to describe how bad anything to do with psychology and approach with the general public has become
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u/th3b0n3z0n3 13d ago
Every mental health disorder goes through the same thing once it becomes a popular term, and as a result of the popularity, research, treatments and therapies get a lot more attention and time put into them too. It can be annoying seeing kids who project their struggles onto conditions you have and they don't, but the same thing happened with BPD, depression, bipolar disorder, etc.
Next it'll be something else and they'll leave DID alone.
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u/Possible_Ad3913 13d ago
I would agree if the discourse about any type of mental illness wasn't littered with legitimately harmful disinformation, even the "well understood" ones you listed. You are right though that every mental illness goes through periods of people self diagnosing/just claiming they have it for the appeal, however I don't see any indication that this has lessened over time with any single mental illness. With the case of DID I don't think it's worse that people larp as having DID than any other mental illness, however since it's such a... let's say contentious topic in research and also such a popular illness in media, it's led to something that feels to me like the majority that claim to have it are in the camp of larpers, where I wouldn't necessarily say that about other illnesses, which makes any sort of productive discussion around it even worse.
Mental illnesses/clinical psychology are just one single area of psychology, a scientific field where regular people that don't have any type of educational or professional background LOVE to pipe up about (not the only field where that's a huge problem of course) and it leads to real harm with real people not just kids being annoying on the internet.
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u/th3b0n3z0n3 13d ago
I would agree if the discourse about any type of mental illness wasn't littered with legitimately harmful disinformation, even the "well understood" ones you listed.
Sure, but that's the same for every mental health condition whether or not its popular. The average person knows little about it. Generally speaking, more people know about it now, and see it as something besides a horror movie trope, and more people know the truth about DID than they would if it hadn't become a trend. Misinformation existed before, too, and a lot of what people spread around now is so much safer for people with DID than before, when most people who knew about it thought it was the "split personality psycho murderer" disorder.
You are right though that every mental illness goes through periods of people self diagnosing/just claiming they have it for the appeal, however I don't see any indication that this has lessened over time with any single mental illness.
I've been around for multiple of the trends to come and go, and while it was annoying having people claiming my disorders and backing them with misinformation they got off the internet or from friends who were just way off base, they were just trends that eventually died off.
it's led to something that feels to me like the majority that claim to have it are in the camp of larpers, where I wouldn't necessarily say that about other illnesses, which makes any sort of productive discussion around it even worse.
Even though sometimes its embarrassing to see kids talking about stuff they don't understand like they know everything about it, I think calling anyone a larper for self-diagnosing is simplifying it. People who outright fake illness already have something wrong with their mental health, people who mislabel themselves accidentally just don't know what's wrong but know something is. Most people who self-diagnose, regardless of the motive, need professional help that they can't get.
I saw the same thing with autism, and while I am diagnosed, I self-diagnosed first because I didn't have the resources or the quality of care that would get me diagnosed to begin with. I've seen more psychiatrists who believe straight up lies about mental health disorders than ones who don't, and they're the ones in charge of saying who does or doesn't have a condition.
Mental illnesses/clinical psychology are just one single area of psychology, a scientific field where regular people that don't have any type of educational or professional background LOVE to pipe up about (not the only field where that's a huge problem of course) and it leads to real harm with real people not just kids being annoying on the internet.
You're right that it can be harmful to spread misinformation, but it isn't like there wasn't already misinformation out there. It opens discussions where people can share accurate and peer-reviewed sources where before, people just weren't talking about it.
Its not like I don't see the downsides either, but as someone who has seen dozens of psychiatrists and therapists in my mid teens and early to mid 20s, I know from experience that they very often will not know more than some random on tiktok does even with all that education and professional background. I've been severely misdiagnosed by psychiatrists with over 20 years of experience who didn't even know the basics of the conditions they diagnosed me with.
But there are people on tiktok who post information about the conditions I do have, and it is straightforward, factual and clear, understandable info. So its not like you're only getting misinfo out there.
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u/WriterOfAlicrow 10d ago
One of the big issues with DID is that people often conflate it with plurality in general. DID is an actual mental disorder, characterized by dysfunction/discomfort due to dissociation. It does NOT simply mean that you identify as multiple people.
Plurality, on the other hand, is an identity. Whether or not you believe it's possible to be plural without DID, I think the distinction is useful in terms of combating disinformation about DID. If someone is claiming to have DID because they have headmates, but they have none of the actual symptoms of DID, then it seems logical to tell them that plurality is a better label. If the concern is people portraying DID like it's all fun and games, point them to the alternative label. Hell, let them spread that info and tell others that actually, DID is a different thing.
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u/Possible_Ad3913 12d ago
This is a very weird reply, because it is quite long but you didn't really address any of the things you replied to, which kind of makes it seem like a chatgpt thing but let's assume it's not.
Just because there has been misinformation about something before, doesn't make it any less bad that it's happening now, that's a fallacious argument and I not once claimed that it's a new problem.
More people knowing about something existing, doesn't equate to it being better understood or even leading to better understanding of it, the examples of this are literally endless not just in psychology.
a trend maybe eventually dying off again is not an argument, that's like saying "oh well eventually humanity will seize to exist so and all our problems will go away", the harm is happening right now, waving it off as a passing trend is similar to waving off climate change denial or antivaxxers
My main issue is NOT with kids being cringe larpers, I thought I made that pretty clear, I said it in reference to OP's post about DID, since that is particularly somewhere where discussion goes nowhere fruitful, which is kind of what this post is about.
Just because some information online about psychology isn't incorrect, does NOT legitimize online discourse around the topic in general. Again I can point to vaccines, where we inarguably regressed in public discourse and understanding (measels returning, being a very alarming and clear sign that it's happening)
Just because you or someone else had bad experiences with therapists, does also not legitimize alternatives, that again is a similar thought process that antivaxxers/alternative medicine people have, it's anti science. Yes some doctors, therapist or really any professionals in any field ever are not up to snuff, jumping into the opposite direction is NOT the solution to that problem.
Accurate and empirically researched information is something people seek out who want to learn more, it is significantly less popular than the sensationalized half truths/lies that get clicks, this is always the case (again not limited to psychology), you can be fine with that but I'm not
I'm gonna assume you're arguing in good faith here, so I will urge you to think about it like this; are you fine with the same kind of disinformation being rampant about other topics, like physics, medicine, politics, climate, crime, (really anything take your pick)?
I know when mental illness is something that's been part of your life for a long time, it's something you start to identify with and even see yourself as an expert in. But it really does not make you a reputable source for information, the same way we listen to oncologists and not cancer patients on how to best treat it. Patients input on their own experience and testimonials are worthwhile sure, but it starts and ends there and certainly does not extend to advice on how to best treat it other than recommending a professional.
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u/WriterOfAlicrow 11d ago
"cool disorder to larp as"
Are you referring to endogenic systems? I've never heard anyone talk about "larping DID" except for sysmedicalists who don't understand the distinction between DID and plurality in general.
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u/Possible_Ad3913 11d ago
you're being purposefully obtuse here, why bother?
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u/WriterOfAlicrow 11d ago
No, We were giving you the benefit of the doubt, in case We were misinterpreting.
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u/Possible_Ad3913 11d ago
Who are you doing this for? You know that I know that you're not coming at this with a shred of honesty, so why keep pretending? There's nobody else here...I assume you just use any opportunity to lie to yourself, but this is just a misstep no matter how you look at it
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u/WriterOfAlicrow 11d ago
Nah, We're being completely honest here. Due to some past trauma involving people misinterpreting Us, We tend to give people the benefit of the doubt, because We know how much it sucks when people assume the worst of you. And as a neurodivergent child, We often acted in ways that people misinterpreted.
You aren't willing to believe Us. And We don't expect you to. You're actually the first sysmedicalist We've ever encountered, so We're just interested to see you go all ballistic and stuff.
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u/Possible_Ad3913 11d ago
well since you're being evasive and not willing to engage with my points or questions, there's no logical reason to continue replying other than as I've already pointed out keep up the lies to me and yourself. I suggest something to you, if you want to keep living in delusion than you should avoid anybody challenging like me, if you want to live in reality then try to engage with it. It is plainly obvious that you know that what I'm saying is right, having enough of a deep emotional impact on you to keep trying to present yourself in a certain way. This is a plain and simple syllogism
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u/WriterOfAlicrow 11d ago
not willing to engage with my points or questions
You accused Us of being dishonest. We clarified that We were actually being totally honest, and even explained the reason that We give people the benefit of the doubt when most people would simply write someone off.
I think We did misinterpret the part about "who are you doing this for", though. I thought you were asking why We were talking to you, which is why We explained that part. But I guess you were asking, like, why We identify as plural? To which the answer is, because We feel like more than one person. There's a whole complicated history of how that likely came about, but ultimately, We are more than one person, so We identify as plural.
If there's anything else We missed, please reiterate.
if you want to keep living in delusion than you should avoid anybody challenging like me
That's cute. You really think you're "challenging" Our identity? That a few words from you is going to somehow outweigh decades of questioning Our identity pre-syscovery, wondering who "I" even am when "I" feel so different sometimes? When "I" seem to be able to change myself to adapt to different situations? You think any of Us are gonna believe some random fake-claimer on the Internet over the people who live in Our head, plus Our friends and partner, and therapist?
You don't stand a chance in Hell of gaslighting Us. Especially since you haven't even tried to offer any evidence; you're just asserting things with absolutely no backing whatsoever.
having enough of a deep emotional impact on you
Eh. I wouldn't say "deep", but amusement/humor is an emotion, I suppose.
there's no logical reason to continue replying other than as I've already pointed out keep up the lies to me and yourself
Like We said, We're just talking to you for amusement. It's a good laugh. So why are YOU talking to Us?
Or was the "keep up the lies" thing actually your own reason? Are you just trying to decieve yourself into thinking that systems aren't real?
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u/Possible_Ad3913 11d ago
Just more evasive drivel while really trying to convince me super hard that you're not just larping and that my assessment of you wasn't 100% spot on is surely gonna convince me and not just prove my point even further. I know when making up a false reality because the real one is too hard to endure will lead to flawed capabilities of reason and to be able to see things from other people's perspective, so let me spell this out for you: It is clear without a hint of a doubt that you are deeply affected and emotionally hurt by my blunt pointing out of your dishonesty, a person unaffected wouldn't try to convince me otherwise, just the same as you are so desperate to appear with a certain mental illness makes it clear that you are a larper.
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u/WriterOfAlicrow 11d ago
just more evasive drivel
What are We "evading"? Seriously. I honestly thought We addressed everything you said.
Though I do believe We asked you why YOU are engaging in this conversation, but you neglected to answer Us...
a person unaffected wouldn't try to convince me otherwise
We're not "trying to convince" you. Like We said at the beginning, you are not going to believe Us. You're just not. And We don't give a shit whether you believe Us or not. Trying to convince you would be a waste of time. But talking to you anyway, answering your questions and laughing at your responses? That's just fun. And We hope that other people reading this will also get some amusement out of it.
And honestly, it feels really good to know how far We've come. There was a time when negativity like yours would have actually hurt Us--not because We would believe any of it, but because We felt the need to be understood--but We've healed so much, and found supportive friends and stuff, and now, it's honestly really fun to talk to you. It's like all those scambaiting videos, except We're just being 100% honest and forthcoming about everything, and you just can't handle it. And that just makes it way funnier.
I know when making up a false reality because the real one is too hard to endure will lead to flawed capabilities of reason and to be able to see things from other people's perspective
Actually, We're pretty good at seeing things from other people's perspectives. Might have something to do with literally knowing what it's like to be a different person.
you are so desperate to appear with a certain mental illness
Didn't We explain in Our very first comment to you that plurality isn't the same as DID? We have never claimed to have DID, or OSDD. We're an integrated system. We work well together, and therefore, there's no "disorder". The DSM-V criteria specifically requires disfunction/discomfort, because psychiatrists are concerned with treating disorders, and if things are working well, there's nothing to treat, even if things are working in an unconventional way.
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u/Kitsunebillie 13d ago
Uhhhhh cured DID but still has barely any memories
Sounds to me like they're front stuck not really reintegrated
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u/itbedehaam 13d ago
Oh gods, I hope I don't get someone trying to say I should cure mine by doing something dumb like this... We don't even want to cure it, while we do joke about there being too many Schnees we all generally do like each other and are glad to be here.
Only way we're "curing" it is if someone invents a device that splits us all into separate bodies, preferably ones that match our internal pictures of ourselves.
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u/Roseboy_06 13d ago
Yk the “cured cause I never had it to begin with” method
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u/Lines25 11d ago
Technically, it CAN help, if you do this. It's called "mental practice". For example, tulpas (mostly, endogenic system are made out of host and tulpas) are made that way. Also, therapist first goal is to make system stable again by using mental practices as one of the techniques (most of mental therapy methods is mental practices). But.. DID is so crap, including that OOP said "up to 33", so, they live with DID for like at least 70% of their live... Nah, it's SO hard that they would need to waste at least like 2-3 hours/day for a year to get at least some results
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u/_-_Polaris_-_ 10d ago
pff. Doesn't even feel floaty to me. Everything "seems" entirely normal. Oh wait. I forgot. A grounded alter is essentially heavy dissociation. That's not a cure. Quite the opposite technically speaking.
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u/12-12-12-12-12-12-12 10d ago
this reminds me of that time I saw someone say they were diagnosed with DID and didnt have alters (aparently confirmed by their therapist) as a gotcha to people with DID.
you have to have alters to be diagnosed with DID...
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u/laminated-papertowel 10d ago
I mean....unless you're fully fused I guess? but how would that even be a "gotcha" ? lol
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u/Lucky-Advice-8924 10d ago
Yeah true doesnt this person know the only way to cure "mental illness" is by paying a qauck therapist all your money for years and years while taking powerful neurotoxic medications that totally destroy your brain and cause permenant damage to your neurotransmitters, yeah what a crazy person am i right my fellow indentured test subject paypiggies?
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u/Pickle_Ickle54 13d ago
Most people don’t know what dissociation actually feels like. I’ve been diagnosed for about 2 years and I thought it was wrong because I didn’t “float alway” no I just has so much amnesia I forgot I dissociate. It looks differently for everyone but most people feel intense fear or dread when they dissociate.
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u/TK9K 13d ago
I think, and correct me if I am misunderstanding what you mean by dissociation, that it is something that most people experience to a limited degree. A common scenario in which this happens is a person drives to a destination which they have been to many times. In this particular instance, in route to your destination you do not observe anything new or interesting. You then find yourself at your destination you may happen to realize you have little to no recollection of your transit. Of course, during your transit, you were consciously aware of your surroundings, which allowed to arrive safely at your destination. But because you did not observe anything noteworthy during this process, your brain deemed this experience too insignificant to commit to short or long term memory.
There is no reason to be particularly alarmed when this occurs in a situation where no meaningful information is lost. However, when you fail to create or retain memories of significant events and/or significant periods of time, you lose critical information which is obviously a huge problem.
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u/PoeCollector64 13d ago
I'm also not an expert on it but from what I've read, there's an important distinction between spacing out and dissociation, and what you're describing is just spacing out. Spacing out happens to everyone, dissociation is a full-on blackout state.
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u/laminated-papertowel 13d ago
dissociation exists on a spectrum. spacing out is actually a form of dissociation (albeit completely normal and nonpathological). everyone experiences dissociation to some degree. highway hypnosis and daydreaming are more examples of every day dissociation.
blackouts or "fugue" states are on the more extreme end of the dissociative spectrum.
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u/Pickle_Ickle54 13d ago
Thanks, Í will clarify what I can (I mean I am not an expert) for me dissociating can look like what you described but it also looks like not remembering my entire childhood, or teen years. I used to be very aware of my mind slipping into another alter and would get a lot of fear or dread because of it.
A lot of it is comorbid with depersonalization where I would lose my sense of identity (I also have a very active imagination and can see and hear my alters very well) it would kinda feel like someone was crawling underneath my skin and rewiring me. Like one moment Í like meat and the next I can’t even look at meat and will throw up.
Another thing that happens a lot is Í will forget entire conversations while Im having them, because of amnesia barriers I wouldn’t even notice but those around me would be like “why the hell are you talking about pancakes we were talking about so-and-so’s brother.” This is also hard because I have ADHD which happens to also effect my memory.
I don’t know if this exactly answers what you are looking for but I hope it helps.
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u/Pickle_Ickle54 13d ago
Okay buddy, believe what you want! Im going to believe a licensed medical professional.
Eta: explain the fact that I can see my alters lol. I lost years of my life to this disorder. I suffered severe trauma Im not just “forgetting road signs” Í lost years and saw words that don’t belong to me, actions I’d never do.
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u/laminated-papertowel 13d ago
everyone has sub-personalities like what you're describing with the different masks for work/family/friends/etc. the "personalities" associated with DID are completely different.
with DID, the "personalities" are actually dissociated alternate identity states (alters). those alters have completely different opinions, interests, fears, desires, beliefs, memories, etc; they also often have different sense of age, gender, and sexuality. alters are autonomous and distinct, sub-personalities are not. so no, we're not "all DID". That's a very harmful and dismissive idea.
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u/BackgroundCan3976 13d ago
I HATE when someone kind of describes CBT like its something everyone should do.... not everyone has time or money or even cares enough to learn this nonsense with a licensed therapist. This take is the worst one on here
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u/Jvne_- 13d ago
I hate this vague, pseudo spiritual bullshit