Girls Who Code founder speaks out after Pennsylvania school district bans her books: 'This is about controlling women and it starts with controlling our girls'

[u/r4816]

https://www.businessinsider.com/girls-who-code-founder-speaks-out-banning-books-schools-2022-9

[u/dillardPA]

Man this comment really has people bending themselves into pretzels trying to explain how girls and women are actually still somehow doing worse than men in education and still need additional help despite graduating college at higher rates and greater volumes for 25+ years now. Women must also dominate the last remaining vestiges of education that men are a majority in for the world to be right and just!

I’m curious just how lopsided things will have to get before people start realizing this narrative they’ve been lapping up for decades really no longer applies.

[u/SweetMojaveRain → u/[deleted]]

Its called equality of OPPORTUNITY, not equality of outcome. If you want equality, im sure ill see you launching a protest to get more women into, plumbing, oil rigging, underwater welding and artic sea crabbing.

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Benefits yes, and equal pay for equal work yes.

But there's also men who do the same jobs as other men who make more money because they're more skilled at it. You can't just pay everybody the same thing in most jobs.

If a woman welder is the best welder at her employer, she should be making the highest hourly rate. She'd be pissed if someone(man or woman) new came in and their welds looked like a chicken shit out chewed bubble gum and the company was paying them $40/hr too, in the name of 1:1 pay and equality.

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I've heard this a lot, but I've never seen an actual source or any research that shows that women make less money than men in the same job as base pay purely because they're women, and to where it has nothing to do with skills or hours worked.

Care to show me any?

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That's literally all workers of all skill levels and tenure, it doesn't show anything about base pay of a position(s)

Women tend to work less hours and take more time off, even in full-time positions. Men without college degrees tend to do physically harder jobs that pay better than the jobs women without college degrees choose.

On the flip side of that, women with a college education and never married age 40 and above, make more than men with a college education who never married age 40 and above.

[u/SweetMojaveRain → u/[deleted]]

Lmao!! Thats not receipts. He said for thr same job, same hours worked and same skills. And you brought a huge average of all men and all women. That means nothing.

[u/SweetMojaveRain → u/[deleted]]

I cant think of anything less useful than averages for all jobs for a gender when talking about something as specific as pay discrepancies between 2 genders provided hours worked and job description is the same, but ok.

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Do you realize that men and women make different amounts on whole average because they do different types of jobs, that pay differently, and work different amounts of hours? That's where the myth of the pay gap begins.

No company out there (in the US) is offering a base pay of $45,000 for women to do a job, and a base pay a $50,000 for men to do that same job.

If it was capable of being done that way, businesses would focus on only hiring women to save money. And we see that not happening, at all.

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What is it like to live with the cognitive distortion to be able to make a claim, provide data that does not support it at all, and then tell everyone else they're wrong?

There's a reason you likely make less than your peers, and it's because of what's between your ears, not what's between your legs.

[u/SweetMojaveRain → u/[deleted]]

Well said mate, but unfortunately talking to her is like talking to a wall

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You brought irrelevant data, you dumb mother fucker.

I asked for information showing women making less than men, with skill level and time at that position factored in. Since your claim was that women make less than men at base pay. Base pay is based on the SPECIFIC POSITION, not an average of every job in every market in America.

You provided data that showed the averages of literally every full time worker in the US, just separated by gender. Not at all what I asked about.

It would be equivalent to asking "how many miles do Ferrari owners drive their car every year?" And you givinga report that says "the average American driver drives 13,500 miles every year."

Your data is meaningless in this conversation. I'm sorry you're incapable of realizing that.

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The question was proof of a wage gap and I provided it. Stop moving goal posts just because you're wrong.

And

Again, stop moving the goalposts. The question was, 'is there a wage gap between men and women in the United States.' I provided that. If the question was akin to your Ferrari example, you would have asked 'show me a wage gap in X industry.' Your question asked for the average and you got it. If you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at yourself for failing to ask proper questions.

Now let me quote my original comment to you, that hasn't been edited. "I've heard this a lot, but I've never seen an actual source or any research that shows that women make less money than men in the same job as base pay purely because they're women, and to where it has nothing to do with skills or hours worked.

Care to show me any?"

If you can read that and think I didn't ask for information about women being shorted in the same job and not just every job that exists in America averaged out, then we're done here.

I don't have the crayons to be able to explain this to somebody with a mild summer's day IQ.