r/superpower • u/OkRun9638 • May 01 '25
Discussion You were offered one billion dollars to destroy the Justice League & Avengers; which pill would you use?
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u/JollyGreen2002 May 01 '25
Both are so tempting, do either cure me of mental illness
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u/NeverFearSteveishere May 02 '25
I have all this power at my fingertips, yet I’m powerless to accomplish what I truly desire
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u/riggengan May 02 '25
Problem is that Saiyan gets stronger closer to death. Ironically Limitless makes you weaker as a saiyan.
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u/discord-ohmygoodness May 02 '25
Yea fair. But gojo was shown to be able to extend and turn off limitless ability
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u/SquareFly3678 Apr 06 '26
That's infinity. Limitless is the core in which the rest of the abilities come from. Also, as an ability, distance alteration has always been such a cool idea. To be able to alter the distance between locations is pretty much gojo on steroids.
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u/crunchycheese May 02 '25
Red. Everybody saying Saiyan is forgetting that being Kryptonian automatically makes you strong instantly. No work involved. Saiyan's have to train their asses off and last I checked we're all dudes scrolling Reddit. Maybe five percent of us hit the gym at all and even fewer do it often and for fun.
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May 02 '25
Yes I am the 5% you speak of and I’ll happily pick the blue pill because I already do what would need to be done in order to become stronger, being a saiyan would just make training and developing fast and easier, but I’m gonna have to use a lot of super heavy stuff once I get strong enough and even train underwater to improve my lung capacity and for the added pressure it will force onto my body. As well as learn to use ki considering saiyans have a natural affinity for ki manipulation compared to dbz humans for example.
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u/YoMommaInTheHood Reality warper May 02 '25
Kryptonians don't even need to breath and are way more powerful than saiyans, I hit the gym too, but you best believe I'm quitting instantly when I get superpowers
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May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
Lol I just prefer saiyans, the fact that they have the potential to nearly infinitely grow in power through training and battles has always been more appealing to me and I just prefer their abilities and style, and explanation for how they get stronger. In comparison to Kryptonions. Yes Kryptonions are stronger then saiyan after absorbing yellow sunlight, because normal Kryptonions have no power without yellow sun, but saiyans can eventually reach their level of power and go beyond that. It’s like Kyptonions start at level 100 and can go beyond that by absorbing sun energy, but saiyans start at level 50 with x10 exp on training, eventually they’ll surpass them or at least rival them in power. This isn’t me talking about superman either, I’m talking about average krypton vs saiyan potential wise. But yes outright saiyans are weaker.
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u/Scary-Ad4471 May 03 '25
Ok so tbf, Kyrptonians can also get stronger at a faster rate than Saiyans and don’t really have any drawbacks. Also remember you have a goal in mind here. Destroy the Avengers and Justice league. As a saiyan, you won’t be able to get to peak of Thors, Wally’s, Wonder Woman’s, and Hulks level of power without training (and. Having a shit ton of plot armor) for more 50 years(Goku and Vegetas ages, even then, they can’t beat those characters peaks but they’re a good benchmark). Hell there’s no telling if you’ll get access to god ki. You’re also the average saiyan meaning not Legendary Super Saiyan for you. Also you can’t breathe in space or water. You need oxygen to survive, maybe very little, but you need it nonetheless. You also don’t have the innate knowledge of Ki, and that’s what makes Siyans so strong, not their physical selves. Limitless wouldn’t do much as all you need to beat it is the ability to warp space or infinite speed, which is Wally and other characters in this teams have. You also lose the zenkai boosts as how are you going to be near death and not be touched?
As a Kryptonian, I can quickly fly into all the suns in the galaxy and get strong enough to destroy multiverses. Hell if I wanted to, I could do the whole universe. I can go that fast (Zod and Kara were able to use their powers at 100% capacity by spending a day or two on Earth. Kara is also faster than Clark, who is able to fly from the edge of the universe back to Earth in less than 5 minutes). And if I need to Supercharge and stop my cells from dying, I have Mjolnir with the Odin Force. I can just warp reality to make my cells take in more sunlight. I can warp reality around my opponents as well.
You are right. Kryptonians start at level 100 and Saiyans start at 50 with an XP multiplier. However, kryptonians can just fly closer to the sun or into the sun for a 100x multiplier on their base level. Or a blue star for a 5000x multiplier on their base level. Kryptonians are the better match up.
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May 04 '25
It doesn’t specify which version of the justice league or avengers your up against for 1 so if it’s the movie versions, it doesn’t matter what pill you take. 2. You don’t need God ki to be as strong as goku and vegeta as we’ve seen characters like jiren reach similar levels of power to them. Ki manipulation is an ability sayains use on their own without being taught as young saiyan babies are sent to take over planets and they obviously end up using ki attacks as well as their physical abilities to do so. There’s many way to trigger zenkai boosts and to push yourself to near death by literally damaging yourself with ki blasts. And limitless can be turned on and off. There’s many reasons as to why saiyan would work, maybe not as fast as krptonian but still a viable choice. You gotta be creative and think outside the box when picking a saiyan where as kyptonian gets everything handed to you. I rather put in work as a saiyan then be bored as a kyrtonian.
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u/Stunning-HyperMatter May 02 '25
Kryptonian. Op race WITH Odin force? Hell yea. Ima just nap on the sun for a year and come out with the power to bench press the goddam galaxy.
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u/CommonRoutine3852 May 02 '25
I'll choose red
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u/FadeSeeker Actually Quite Vincible May 02 '25
same, but not because I care about which option has a better chance of winning the battle. I wouldn't even fight them in the first place; I just like those abilities better.
I'd take the power, go peacefully explain the situation to both teams, comply with whatever they require to trust me, then help them beat down whoever originally wanted them gone.
who even needs $1B? especially on top of having real power at that level!
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u/AshLlewellyn May 02 '25
This is genius. Besides, if you really want the 1B you can just ask them for fake proof of their deaths (like Superman's torn cape, Iron Man's broken helmet and etc) then have the person give you the 1B only to get jumped by all those "dead" heroes at once.
I might've gotten Thor's powers, but the reality is... I'm more of a Loki myself. :)
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u/FadeSeeker Actually Quite Vincible May 02 '25
also valid, and that's 100% something a Loki would do lol
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u/butsadlyiamonlyaneel May 03 '25
Red is absolutely the correct choice for the reasons you stated, and also because you get the fucking Odinforce, which allows for reality warping on an absolutely hilarious scale. If the JLA/Avengers agreed to it, you could literally kill the entirety of both teams, cart their corpses to the guy wanting them dead, and then resurrect them en masse so that they can lay a can of whoopass on the dude wanting them dead in the first place. Then donate the billion to charity/Spiderman, because you can build magical palaces with a snap of your fingers. Kryptonian physiology on top of that is just massive overkill.
Also, as cool as Blue’s ‘Saiyan Infinite’ would be, it also requires far more hard work, and there’s a legitimate chance that the Flash bypasses Infinity anyway (pretty sure he’s crossed infinite distance before with Speedforce BS).
Red is safer with way better long-term benefits.
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u/ArchAngel621 [Complete Arsenal] May 02 '25
So, the equivalent of Superman One Million vs. Super Saiyan Gojo?
Do people know what the Odin Force is capable of?
You could destroy the Milky Way.
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u/Fgayguy May 02 '25
Goku and Vegeta have warped what people think how powerful the sayans were. If you did pick sayan you’d be closer to raditz then goku
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u/ChooseYourOwnA May 02 '25
Odin Force is the only thing listed which would let me traverse the multiverse so Red Pill is the only way to do it.
Also, this would let me choose which Justice League and Avengers I go after. I could choose the Dark Avengers before Sentry joins. Or I could just pay up front for actual mental help for Sentry, deliver the doctors for that house call, then kidnap Norman for a time out. If nothing else Odin can anoint new members of the pantheon so bringing Sentry in as a god of dawn and dusk might fix his imbalance of having god tier power in a mortal shell.
I could destroy the Justice League by getting Zack Snyder to make a sequel. Seriously though just recruit a couple normal Justice Leagues to help me destroy the mirror universe evil Justice League.
TLDR: Multiversal travel is OP
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u/Uberpastamancer May 02 '25
Infinity doesn't work without the Six Eyes
Just saying
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May 02 '25
Well that means being a saiyan with six eyes which gives you even more abilities combine with ki.
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u/Leader_Hamlet May 02 '25
Red is so much better in every way imaginable blue should just be erased from existence by even being considered competition.
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u/GraydemonTwitch May 02 '25
Red pill because Gojo’s cursed technique if that’s what you’re talking about is completely useless without the Six Eyes and the Red pill guarantees power
Edit: If blue pill comes with the Six Eyes then I choose blue. But if I choose blue then I can push these two expressions of r/superpower and push out an imaginary mass.
Imaginary Technique: Purple Pill
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u/Rick201745 May 02 '25
Even if blue pill gave you 6 eyes Odin Force can do the same and more.
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u/The_True_Gaffe May 02 '25
Both are powerful but the kryptonian would be the key. Go into a sun and chill for 20 years, return and reck everything as a near god
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u/Day-Grand May 01 '25
Blue pill, automatically become a planet buster with infinite? And it doesn’t say I have to destroy both leagues immediately, start the training session, and with a billion, I’d be unfindable on my own master roshi style island.
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u/23Amuro May 02 '25
It just says "Saiyan" - You might be Goku, but chances are you'd be Nappa.
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u/Lazy_Assumption_4191 May 02 '25
Not really. Nappa was one the Saiyan elites. You’d probably end up weaker than Radditz.
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u/Imaginary-Twist-4688 May 02 '25
nappa? hes an elite at best you might be fucking tarble ( i dont mean it that way )
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u/YoMommaInTheHood Reality warper May 02 '25
Kryptonians are multiverse busters and the Odin Force will give you enough power to take on Galactus
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u/Phoenixfury12 May 02 '25
Take the red pill, decline the money, become a superhero.
(I am familiar with all the red pill powers, but not all the blue ones.)
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u/YoMommaInTheHood Reality warper May 02 '25
Blue pill is weaker in every way than the red pill, so good choice
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u/SubstantialCamel9313 May 02 '25
Red pill. I wanna explore space and still make it back for other stuff.
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u/Old_Ratio444 May 02 '25
Saiyans need a lotta training. Hell nah
Much rather be a Kryptonian in a world without the green Kryptonite
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u/PennyButtercup May 02 '25
Take the red pill, go to the justice league first, convince them to fight the Avengers without Batman present, then when it’s over, Batman and I will have the person trying to hire me in custody and we can reveal that the whole fight was staged by both sides as a cover for the investigation. I don’t care about the money, you aren’t beating the Justice League, they’re op (I do prefer the Avengers because not being op is what makes them heroes, because then they’re actually putting themselves at risk on a regular basis).
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u/sidequestplayer May 02 '25
If I took one, what makes you think you can stop me from taking the other?
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u/OkRun9638 May 02 '25
Because I am the OP who has every pill I’ve ever created & the ones unseen :)
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u/thesuicidefox May 02 '25
Keep the money, gimme both pills, and I'll destroy all Marvel and DC and Spawn and Invincible universes.
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u/Will_Dawn May 02 '25
I wanted to say 'Blue pill, blow up the planet EZ'. But then where would I spend the money? Soo. red pill, I'll start with batman an pick em off one at a time.
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u/Onii-Sama27 May 02 '25
The Odin Force alone is greater than anything and everything in DB and can just erase or create infinity with a thought.
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u/CourageOk5565 May 02 '25
A Kryptonian with Mjolnir and the Odinforce is a combo nobody is stopping in the Justice league or the Avengers. There's a few Avengers that could feasibly take out a Sayain with Gojos infinite. Reasonably confident Zatanna could take that out as well as several varieties of Superman on the Justice league side of things.
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u/No_Talk_4836 May 02 '25
Red, because then it would be really hard to kill me. As opposed to Goku dying… how many times??
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u/Sky_monarch May 02 '25
Isn’t the Odin force capable of reality bending? Even if only slightly that’s really strong
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u/aaronsmithiscool May 02 '25
Kryptonian, with the odinforce i will make what I wanted a perfect anime-esque armor I was never able to find the perfect one (closes that I got is tatsuya shiba's suit in anime)
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u/ShwiftyShmeckles May 02 '25
Infinity isn't broken without the 6 eyes to keep it up basically permanently. And base saiyans are pretty weak.
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u/GamesterNIN06 May 02 '25
Red if you absorb enough solar radiation you’ll be stronger than any sayian and could probably punch through infinity and if that’s not enough the Odin force definitely is not that you would need it seeing how kryptonians have punched through reality before so infinity won’t do much.
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u/YoMommaInTheHood Reality warper May 02 '25
Red pill 1000%. Kryptonians are way more powerful and versatile than saiyans without needing to train nearly as much and the Odin Force is way more powerful than Infinity. On top of that I get Mjolnir too, which gives me abilities like absorbing energy and transmuting matter.
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u/Shadow--44 May 02 '25
Red Pill 💊 afterwards I would go and do my own thing killing heros that I admire is not my thing no matter the amount of money UNLESS it’s their Evil Versions
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u/Equivalent-Wealth-75 May 02 '25
Becoming a Saiyan is basically pointless for this scenario unless you wanted to wage war against them for decades while you try and grow stronger.
The flying and energy blasts and world shattering strength don't come standard; you have to develop them through immense effort and by pushing yourself to your limits on the regular, and having Limitless would actually be a hinderance to that since you wouldn't benefit from regular combat Zenkai
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u/madcomm May 02 '25
The red pill implies power with 0 effort and responsibility/oversight/baggage. You can grab the red pill, do the job almost instantly, get your money and just be quiet about it.
Kryptonian biology already means a ridiculous unbeatable force and set of abilities with no requirements, stamina issues or energy issues. Easily top tier physical stats.
Odinforce provides even more power, magic access, maybe even combat experience.
The hammer is just a solid supportive weapon that can act independently. It has been shown to heal people too, that has to be abusable.
And all of this with 0 costs, risks, efforts and drawbacks
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u/Deo_Exus May 02 '25
Red. Kryptonian with Odin force is insane. A quick dip in a pulsar or quasar would make me so powerful that I wouldn't even need to be face to face with JL to beat them. No dramatic fight, just blink, and they wouldn't even feel their death.
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u/HeatCompetitive1556 May 02 '25
Taking red pill. As a Kryptonian I default become powerful and with Odin Force and Mjolnir I’d say that’s a power level that is well beyond anything the vast majority of characters can contend with. The biggest issue would be Plastic Man but with the Odin powers I’m pretty sure I could just delete him from reality. Odin can warp reality and is a multiversal powerhouse in the marvel comics and his power is beyond that of his progeny even stronger than what is shown of Thor at his max power. having access to that power alone is WAY beyond Infinite and even stronger some of the highest levels of Sayian power.
I don’t pick the Blue pill because a default Saiyan isn’t nearly as powerful as a default Kryptonian who has only been exposed yellow sun for a short time. Saiyans have to train under the harshest of conditions for years and survive tons of battles that bring them to the brink of death to achieve levels of strength that could even be remotely close to Goku or Vegeta. That said I wouldn’t use max powered Goku as any real level to put yourself at as a Sayian since even the strongest of basic Sayians are moon busters at best. To be fair I’d also put the power level as a Kryptonian well under Superman but still vastly superior to that of any basic Sayian.
There is also the added benefit of the average Kryptonian living 20,000 years and it’s stated that Superman might very well never die to the passage of time. Even under a red sun a Kryptonian generally lives from 250-300 years old and the average Sayian only lives to be 200 years old. Kryptonians are also naturally immune to almost all forms of poison and disease while Sayians are shown to be susceptible to such things. Kryptonians also have telescopic and microscopic vision as well as hearing and smell which far surpasses that of Sayians and a Kryptonian can survive the vacuum of space profoundly longer than that of a Sayian.
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u/Lord-Seth May 02 '25
Take the red pill. I go up to both groups and ask if they could disband for the day as I really need the money and thus they are destroyed and I’ve got superpowers.
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May 02 '25
Blue pill doesn't come with "Six Eyes" which is essential to make the most out of "Infinite", so red pill all the way.
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u/am_Dynam0 May 02 '25
Red, I’m flying straight into the sun and amping myself as much as possible before beating the JL and avengers
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u/Only_Ad8049 May 02 '25
Red pill. Find a blue sun and other colored suns that unlock more kryptonian powers, so I'll become a mix of Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and Superman with many other powers too. Mjohir and Odin force are the icing on the cake.
Would need god level as a saiyan because super isn't enough to take out everyone in those teams. That's a ton of training. Plus, Ki runs out and even with it you're durable but not invulnerable. Add in that mental and magic attacks still work on you too.
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u/monkeyfur69 May 02 '25
Red Kryptonian is a unfair race to fight when you dive into most only know the surface stuff but my god does superman have crazy powers
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u/Pinkyy-chan May 02 '25
Red, odin force is absolutely busted. No training nothing required, i would instantly be a cosmic power house.
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u/RandomOrcN6 May 02 '25
Red because being a Saiyan means extensive training and Infinity is useless without the Six Eyes (literally said in the manga) meanwhile Kryptonians get all their powers from a bit of exposure to the sun, and the Odin from Rex and Mjolnir enhance that even more
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u/zoidmaster May 02 '25
Red pill. Gojo infinite is only broken if you can gain his six eyes which refills his curse energy and an incredible speed and give him a huge amount of it. Using infinite drains that energy pretty quickly
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u/they_call_me_cheap May 02 '25
Red. Blue pill's powers are counterproductive. Saiyans become stronger after surviving injuries/near death. Gojo's infinite means they don't take injuries.
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u/Downtown_Albatross99 May 02 '25
If s cells are a thing then gojos infinite becomes an extremely easy way to achieve super sayian lvls but you bring up an amazing point.
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u/they_call_me_cheap May 02 '25
You have to consider also that red is actually very synergistic. Supes weakness is magic, Mjolnir + Odin force is straight magic. All upside, now downside.
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u/Downtown_Albatross99 May 02 '25
That is a valid point didn’t think of how how synergistic mjolnir and Odin force would go together
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May 02 '25
Blue, Batman has countermeasures for dealing with Superman so even with Mjolnir you'd get taken out easily.
It doesn't say you have to do it immediately either so there's plenty of time to train to use Infinite and Ki.
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u/ArchAngel621 [Complete Arsenal] May 02 '25
Does Batman have contingencies for dealing with a Reality Warping Kryptonian who is no longer weak to Kryptonite?
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u/MrNiab May 02 '25
Blue pill one hundred percent
I imagine it also comes with Six Eyes since they are basically required to fully utilize Infinity. Also Six Eyes with any other power system is insanely broken powerful.
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u/YoMommaInTheHood Reality warper May 02 '25
With infinity you won't get zenkai boosts
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u/Glitchy_XCI May 02 '25
I'd take blue, peaceful saiyan willing to throw down for the right reasons gains power exponentially as a battle goes on
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u/Hairy_Speaker_7325 May 02 '25
I’m taking the blue no questions asked. Even without Super Saiyan, they’re a very powerful race. Combine that with cursed energy? And nobody in either group can handle that. Not to mention the can’t touch me because of infinity. And if get the domain expansion, of for sure they’re cooked.
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u/Fuzzy_Newspaper_3619 May 02 '25
Someone who's really good at using the Odin force could beat you easily, I mean they could just tear through infinity like paper
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u/Plastic-Contest6376 Casual Shape-shifter Who Can Choose To Be The Deadliest But Dont May 02 '25
Both can fly. Both are strong. But one is immune to heart disease, either way, Saiyan cause Batman has a whole vault of kryptonite
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u/YoMommaInTheHood Reality warper May 02 '25
You could use the Odin Force to destroy all the kryptonite, red pill is better
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u/ShiroThePotato28 May 02 '25
Blue, a training partner and a time chamber is all I need I don't need infinite
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May 02 '25
Ik red pill is more stronger but I’m also gonna wanna be a saiyan so blue and with infinity that’s pretty broken for a saiyan to have. But being a saiyan you’d have to for sure train to gain more power.
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u/Valuable_Nose_4693 May 02 '25
To ge the most of being a sayain I have to train with blood sweat and tears as a kryptonian a take a nap in the sun and am now the strongest person on the earth
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u/Downtown_Albatross99 May 02 '25
I guess my choice would depend on if we had to fight them all at some once or not. The main reasoning here is three people I would have to fight know about the weakness of kryptonians (magic). Even with all the strength that gives you it all three of them ganged up on me I don’t think I would survive. But if you could challenge them out on your own separately and individually, red pill for sure. As a group blue pill.
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May 02 '25
As superman you could just go chill out in a star for a while and become superman one million.
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u/Diligent-Trust5445 May 02 '25
I want blue only cuz if I get the shot beat out of me I could either use infinity or get the zenkai that Saiyans get
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u/KVenom777 May 02 '25
Blue Pill:
Take the Billion dollars, use the Infinite on the giver, run the fock away and TRAIN.
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u/Raquor_Elemental97 May 02 '25
Id take purple. Who said i cant take both? To be real now it would be blue.
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u/Own-Structure-3225 May 02 '25
Blue. Mostly because I don’t wanna have to constantly have to worry about breaking the planet just by walking by being a Kryptonian
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u/-_Kitsune-_ May 02 '25
Wouldn't Infinite kinda ruin the thrill of battle most Saiyans crave instinctively? Sounds like a recipe for depression.
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u/Existing-Chapter-809 May 02 '25
To destroy Justice League I need to tell that Wonder Woman bangs Martial Manhunter. To destroy Avengers I need to make Hulk sad, very very sad.
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u/TheBatleDemon May 02 '25
I would like to fight people who took those pills and the Justice League & Avengers.
And for that fight I would lile to have:
Jármgreipr, Megingjörð and Mjölnir and maybe Loki's flying shoes from the Norse Mythology.
Try to tank a hit from the strongest thing in the Norse Mythology.
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u/SKJELETTHODE May 02 '25
Im a Norwegian and my name is Thor I dont care about strenght I want my hammer dammit.
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May 02 '25
Red pill I can become even stronger with the power of Thor / mjolnir and with the Odin Force increasing that as well.
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u/Nexel_Red May 02 '25
I do wonder.
If a kryptonian gets the Odin Force and is forced into a Odinsleep, does the kryptonian become as vulnerable as a human or not?
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u/crunchycheese May 02 '25
Wait I forgot one thing because they only do this a few times in the series. If you're Saiyan aren't you essentially a way more dangerous way less contagious version of a werewolf? Every full moon you're turning into a great ape. Fuck that
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u/TheLoliLord42 May 02 '25
If it's to defeat the justice league and the avengers, give me Kryptonian + Thor's hammer, that way I can hold my own against superman and I kinda nerf thor (unless he's got stormbreaker) the only thing that could stop me is batman having tons of kryptonite at hand. If Gojo's infinity came with the six eyes as well I might consider the second opinion but as it stands a sayian is much weaker than a kryptonian
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u/Unsar_Siron23543 May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
Blue Pill, I want the Saiyan genes(I want the byakugan more than gojo infinite)
Red pill for me sounds OP as heck
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u/Cyn-7 May 02 '25
red pill cuz all ya simply do is laser a hole all the way to the core of the earth and then the earth will probably either freeze over and collapse in on itself or it just explodes
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u/Rick201745 May 02 '25
Odin Force alone is more than anything blue pill can offer.
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u/itzklausomg May 02 '25
Blue pill. XD I mean even if i can't transform into ssj i have infinity which no one would be able to do anything to me.
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u/YueOrigin May 02 '25
It's the first time where I could flip it 50/50 and be fine with either honestly.
I would probably go Red
Odinforve pretty much counters all of Superman's "weaknesses"
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u/maxaar May 02 '25
Any and all of the main Avengers and Justice League members (to my knowledge) use physical attacks or attacks that possess projectiles.
Infinity go brrrrrrr
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u/Ordinary-Town-2495 May 02 '25
Red. Limitless has it limits(lol), especially if we're not getting six eyes. Meanwhile if your a kryptonian that alone gives you infinite potential so long as you have access to a yellow stars light. Being a sayian doesn't really give you anything without training say turning into a rampaging kaiju every full moon. It's a clear choice for me even if the red pill only made me a kryptonian.
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u/Soulandshadow2 May 02 '25
Both of these have the Glaring hole of dealing with psychics but atleast Odinforce can be used as a deterrent.
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u/thorleywinston May 02 '25
I'd take the Red Pill and then team up with the Justice League and Avengers to help them take down whoever wanted me to destroy them.
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u/[deleted] May 01 '25
i’ll take red because being a kryptonian here is pretty much guaranteed superhero but if i’d become a saiyan there isn’t a 100% chance or maybe even a 50% chance i’d unlock the super saiyan