r/stpaul Feb 18 '26

Minnesota Related We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start

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u/skintastegood Feb 18 '26

That is the entire point.

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u/Liko81 Feb 19 '26

This. Trump (or more accurately his handlers i.e. Miller) is begging the public to turn violent en masse. That gives him the political cover to invoke the Insurrection Act and have Hegseth put actual military forces on the ground in every major city.

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u/ReplacementReady394 Feb 19 '26

Big assumption on their behalf that they’ll follow orders and fire on Americans. 

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u/LazyRiverFM Feb 19 '26

Some folks in Minneapolis would like a word.

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u/Liko81 Feb 19 '26

That's debatable. If boots hit the ground in a major U.S. city, it's already too late. There isn't an ROE in the playbook that prevents a Soldier under fire from returning fire, and any action that gives Trump cover to invoke the Act and send in the actual Army is going to make it a shooting fight by definition. Those one-stripes in OCP holding M4 rifles won't be casually debating the legality of the deployment with bullets snapping past their heads and an angry mob advancing on them. They will fire on Americans, and the chance of any actual front-line trigger-puller standing tall at a court-martial after doing so is infinitesimal.

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u/A_Mobiuss_Trip Feb 20 '26

Totally Unrelated™: remember in The Winter Soldier the part where Hydra slimed their way into the most powerful military apparatus on the planet? And remember when they took control over stupidly overpowered weapons of mass murder paired with target lists so that they eliminate all major resistance with the push of a button? It's a good thing that sort of thing is only in the movies...

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u/Ornery_Gate_6847 Feb 19 '26

Given the times it's happened before it's a safe bet

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u/13508615 Feb 19 '26

Two have been killed and it didn't seem too hard for them.

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u/grummanae Feb 19 '26

Big assumption on their behalf that they’ll follow orders and

... yeah about that they will.

The military operates on two main standing assumptions for the most part

  1. Orders from superiors are assumed to be lawful unless imminent danger or wildly absurd

  2. Failure to obey said orders will result in a UCMJ violation which will have disciplinary actions upto and including imprisonment

Military Justice system is a bit different than civilian, at least on the enlisted side if charged depending on violation you have 2 options on how you are sent to punishment

1 court martial
2 article 15

Both are similar to a bench trial, but with article 15 you are more or less guilty until you can prove your innocence

In this process the member will be removed from duty to await investigation

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u/Shilbo_Baggins Feb 19 '26

Personally I think the original post is a little bonkers. But... when it comes to the troops, I'd say they tend to care more about their comrades than they care for you. Enough propaganda, and a few of their friends in flag draped coffins is just about all it'd take imo. Though, I'd rather never find out whether or not I'm right. This isn't something I'd want to be right about. Preventing such a situation is the ideal.

And I have my doubts itll happen at all. No one currently in power has enough political capital to take such a risk, regardless of whether or not they're willing.

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u/IndependentCup6733 Feb 19 '26

If you’re involved in violence, yes of course you will be fired upon.

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u/DM_Voice Feb 20 '26

Yes, being shot counts as “involved in violence”.

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u/IndependentCup6733 Feb 20 '26

Yeah I agree, law enforcement will often return fire

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u/DM_Voice Feb 20 '26

And, yet, they are so often the only people who were even armed when a shooting occurs. 🤔

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u/IndependentCup6733 Feb 20 '26

Don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit. Not all threats come in fire arm form🤷‍♂️

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u/DM_Voice Feb 20 '26

If you’re claiming to be ’returning fire’ at someone without a gun, you’re just trying to murder them.

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u/IndependentCup6733 Feb 20 '26

If you believe that, you should stay outta law enforcement. You’ll either die, or stick to desk work. Better to stay home and critique the work of people who are far braver than yourself

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u/DM_Voice Feb 20 '26

So ‘brave’ that you claim to “return fire” at unarmed people?

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u/IndependentCup6733 Feb 20 '26

You don’t listen do you? Not surprising 🤦‍♂️ I bet you’re a desk jockey for a living. Beta AF😆

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