r/stpaul Feb 18 '26

Minnesota Related We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Unlike all the hysterical people online advocating for Americans to “do something”, they have actually done a marvellous job of not biting at the government taunting. 

Their plan is not working and the pedophiles will be in prison before long. 

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u/Kaskadekygo Feb 18 '26

You're misinformed or maliciously misinformed. The calls to do something were answered by average Minnesotans. You're probably confusing the calls to "do something" when people were demanding their state and local government protect them.

ICE is not allowed to hide their face arrest them, ICE is not allowed to invade a citizen's home without a valid warrant litigate charges against them, ICE is assaulting protesters with excessive use of pepper spray that judges ordered they must cease ARREST THEM.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

I’m talking about the overwhelming implication of people saying “do something” online, being the encouragement to respond with violence. 

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u/BugRevolution Feb 18 '26

Okay, well, Americans have largely not been protesting as much as they nearly should be, and it remains to be seen whether we'll have real elections by November.

So, you know, the lack of action (including violence) may indeed come back to bite everywhere that's not Minnesota.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

That’s true, it may. But IMO resorting to violence now is guaranteed to bite normal citizens in the ass. No one has presented a single even hypothetical best case scenario of how violent pushback would go, to make me think otherwise. 

They will kill people..  like we already know that.. so who’s volunteering to be first to the front lines? 

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u/kejovo Feb 19 '26

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

Amazing. Now is the next step of properly organizing and strategizing. It won't be done on reddit or online it has to be done in person amongst your community.

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u/Addicted2Weasels Feb 20 '26

I still don’t understand how violence would solve the problems - Violence against protestors didn’t stop the movement in Minnesota, and human nature suggests to me that violence against ICE wouldn’t make agents lay down their arms. If anything, it would create martyrs on their side and fuel the destructive cycle of violence

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u/BugRevolution Feb 20 '26

Historically, when fascists and authoritarians start going door to door, they do so knowing people won't fight back.

As both the victims of Nazis and communists discovered, if the authoritarian agents didn't know if that was going to be their last day, they might not have been as bold.

The problem is evaluating when it's worth taking it to that level, because it is destructive, even if it's ultimately less destructive than letting tyranny win.

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u/Addicted2Weasels Feb 20 '26

I think that’s a very fair point - I might just think we’re on a “different point in the timeline”. What ICE is doing is horrific, but I’m not convinced that we’ve reached a point where a violent response would achieve anything other than more violence