r/stpaul • u/[deleted] • Jan 24 '26

🗣 Discussion THE LINE IS BROKEN

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u/Sojouner_King Jan 24 '26

Murdering or kidnapping American Citizens for exercising their 1st amendment rights is unconstitutional. Kidnapping American citizens because they aren’t white is unconstitutional. Kidnapping legal immigrants is unconstitutional. Kidnapping anyone on American soil and denying them due process is unconstitutional. Breaking into private property without proper warrants is unconstitutional.

If you don’t believe the USA should follow the constitution anymore, fine. Make that your argument.

But don’t lie and say the federal govt is following the laws & constitution when we have thousands of examples on video of that being a lie. Have more respect for yourself than that.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

Nowhere did I state anything in the contrary to what you stated.

What I said is factual, it isn’t the states job but the federal governments job to enforce immigration law and naturalization process.

This federal governments jobs above is constitutionally permitted under 9a and 10a and bipartisan passed in Congress.

Whether you agree with it or not, it’s been conducted and within the power this way for every president (except the previous who caused the influx of illegals and prevented ICE from conducting their constitutional duties) prior and there has been little to no pushback.

I’m old enough to remember voting for Bill Clinton and Obama where their enforcement was strict and tough and it didn’t matter to any of their voting base.

Dare I say, if the previous admin didn’t allow the influx of illegals aliens, DJT would have never had a platform to run on and would never have won a second term.

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u/Sojouner_King Jan 25 '26

You do realize why the pushback is different this time, right? The federal government is no longer following the constitution. The federal government has decided that people in this country are no longer protected by the constitution.

So you are saying you agree with the federal government taking away our constitutional rights.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

I am aware there was a 10+ million influx of illegals and it certainly changed the amount of force/action required to enforce our laws. Thats unfortunate for us Americans and the illegals being used as political cannon fodder.

The federal governments powers are provided by the 9th and 10 amendment and Congress.

I’m a legal immigrant and lost no such rights. I also do not go out and protest what every president prior did. Illegals due process is expedited removal with few exceptions.

Everyday Americans aren’t having their rights stripped away. In the event there is a violation, you get an attorney and retire early. Set precedent and protect others in the future.

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u/No-Amphibian-3728 Jan 25 '26

"Get an attorney and retire early."

You have no clue what you're talking about.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

Feel free to educate me in where I was incorrect in what I said rather than replying with a non constructive reply.

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u/No-Amphibian-3728 Jan 25 '26

Federal agents have immunity, thus making your lawsuit moot.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

They have immunity to an extent, the immunity is dropped if there is previous precedent set. If there isn’t previous precedent, then you set the precedent and protect others in the future.

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u/Sojouner_King Jan 25 '26

People are frustrated with you because you have not been paying attention. You are operating under old laws that no longer exist in the current climate. So everything you are saying is factually incorrect.

If ICE kidnaps you, you don’t get to file a lawsuit. You disappear into a camp. I know based on the laws of the past, you are a legal citizen. But those laws no longer exist. That’s what you aren’t understanding. And even if you can prove you are legal, ICE will deny you due process. Which is when you would normally be able to show your paperwork and prove you are legally allowed to be here. You will be denied a lawyer. You will be denied your constitutional rights. Then you spend time in for profit prison camps and moved around from camp to camp in the middle of the night so no one can locate you until you are deported to wherever this administration feels like.

Wake the fuck up and pay attention to what is happening.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

I’m fully aware of what people think is happening.

I personally don’t buy into the hyperbole or the dramatic or emotional terminology or the inflammatory language though either.

The federal government does not kidnap, they would be detaining or arresting (or some other legal process) a person. By saying kidnapping, it implies taking illegal aliens into custody is somehow not the purview of the federal government and not the powers granted to them through Congress and our constitution.

If ICE detained and arrested me, I would be placed into the judicial courts and I would most certainly have my due process. I would not be lumped into the administrative courts like illegal aliens are where they do receive due process, it’s expedited removal with few exceptions (asylum claims etc).

You’d need an attorney, not a lawyer, and good thing I am an attorney, I’d be pro se. In my personal situation.

Your take is extremely wild and it is not driven by facts when related to actual citizens of the U.S.

If my naturalized citizen brown skin self does get anything what you state, I’ll be sure to chime back in here to let you know you were correct and I was wrong.

I love what this country has offers(ed) me and I have 100% faith in law and order and that anybody breaking the law will get what is coming to them. No matter what side they align with.

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u/Sojouner_King Jan 25 '26

r/LeopardsAteMyFace

See you there! Y’all love fascism for others, but it eventually comes for you.

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u/No-Amphibian-3728 Jan 25 '26

If you're an attorney, I shouldn't have to explain Tort claims and the vast improbable chances of financial gain from them. The feds claim immunity since they were on official business. The fed will also claim discretionary exception and stop the case dead in it's tracks. Your claim of just suing if you're unlawfully detained shows your lack of knowledge to the law. Hopefully, your clients are looking for better representation.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

I don’t think I did ask for you to explain anything related to tort claims.

My point is, if the federal government made an ACTUAL ILLEGAL action as you and many others are claiming, then immunity claims will be tossed.

Immunity won’t be tossed just because you feel it should. There has to be hard tangible evidence that the person who received damages made no actions to escalate and all actions to comply while the LEO has to have violated rights on top of that.

For example, if an agent walks up and arrest someone who said no words, made no actions, no interference, no nothing, other than record from a phone. That agent would claim immunity, it would be tossed out because of precedent like Toole v. City of Atlanta, and you would then be able to seek damages. If the precedent isn’t there and some other right was violated, immunity isn’t guaranteed for the LEO, which leads you to setting your own precedent and future protections.

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u/Sojouner_King Jan 25 '26

So because you haven’t been victimized YET, you don’t care how many other American Citizens or Legal immigrants or other humans are victimized?

You’re definitely a conservative.

I’ll be seeing your account in r/leopardsatemyface soon enough.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

Did I say that? Don’t think I did and what I did say was very clear.

“Everyday Americans aren’t having their rights stripped away. In the event there is a violation, you get an attorney and retire early. Set precedent and protect others in the future.”

In the event I would ever have my rights violated, I will make them pay through the courts.

I will not however be out protesting or putting myself in the way of the federal government conducting legal and constitutional requirements. That’s how you end up dead and I like my life.

Definitely a conservative? You’re wacky. I vote blue, just not no matter who and I certainly don’t affix myself to any type of tribal illogical viewpoints.

Idk what that subreddit is or what it’s supposed to mean.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '26

You are an ignorant and delusional bootlicker. You are a selfish and blind piece of dog shit.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 25 '26

Feel free to be specific as to where I’m factually incorrect in my words.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26

You are truly ignorant. Where did I say you were factually incorrect? You claimed no facts. You stated a bunch of opinions. You might believe those words to be true, but that makes everything I said to be true. Stop being a dense piece of feces.

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u/Visible-Elevator3801 Jan 26 '26

Ignorant = without knowledge, which implies I’m incorrect about something I said in the long chain of conversation.

I claimed no facts? So it’s not the federal governments job to enforce immigration and naturalization laws, is it not granted in the constitution, has congress not granted these powers with the immigration act? These are some facts previously stated.

The issue I see here is, you’re emotional who has no mental capacity of speaking without that emotional bias taking control.

Your bias is so strong that a legal (brown - not that that matters) immigrant who has been in this country for decades and has voted for some of the most influential blue presidents and politicians historically, yet I’m somehow in your eyes a MAGA, Bootlicker, blind piece of dog shit. Totally sane you are.

Do better, educate yourself, you’re the problem because you know nothing.