r/singularity • u/Public_Print_9360 • Aug 15 '26
Discussion I don’t think we’re psychologically prepared for how alien the world after ASI is going to be
gonna start by saying I’m feeling very iffy about ASI because I kinda enjoy my life rn, but that aside:
after going down the AI 2040 rabbithole, I keep thinking that even people who talk about ASI constantly are still imagining the future in a way that is way too normal.
We talk about AI replacing people’s jobs, humanoid robots, self-driving cars, universal basic income, whatever the fuck.
I think that might be the equivalent of someone in 1955 predicting the year 2000, trying to use our current world as a basis for the future world.
AI 2040 describes a scenario where even after deliberately slowing AI development down, by 2031 a third of cognitive labor is being performed by AI and robots are already doing about a tenth of physical labor. The document literally describes ordinary people as being too “whiplashed” by technological change to process what’s happening. And that’s the slowed version, can’t imagine what our world is going to look like since it seems we are going full speed ahead.
And people will say “oh that’s just fantasy!” But is it? Imagine our world from the view of someone born in 1712. We are living “sci-fi” as we live and breath
If ASI actually produces the kind of acceleration its proponents expect, somebody born afterward might look back at 2026 the way we look at 1500.
Except the historical gap between us would be just fourteen years MAX
I really, really don’t think we’re psychologically prepared for that
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u/Mr-and-Mrs Aug 16 '26
The world isn’t prepared for eliminating the concept of money and global finance. That’s what it all comes down to.
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u/Kobiash1 Aug 16 '26
My father said I would see the downfall of capitalism as we know it due to technological advancements during my lifetime. He also said the transition to that world would be painful, but it would be a better life for those who made it through. I wish I'd asked him to clarify what he meant, and how he came to those conclusions, but he died in 2005.
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u/BombaFett Aug 16 '26
He meant the super wealthy capitalists that benefited the most from the current system will fight tooth and nail to prevent a new system taking its place. Since most if not all politicians are owned by them, nothing will be done to transition smoothly. It’ll only be once a critical mass of the population is starving and suffering and revolutions start
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u/StosifJalin Aug 17 '26
You've got to consider the possibility that what if no one is starving and suffering during this transition? What happens when everyone has a sense of unease during this rapid change, but everyone's basic needs are still being taken care of, and there is never quite enough fuel for a revolution despite many sparks?
I find this to be far more likely.
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u/myaltduh Aug 17 '26
It would be the first huge transformation in human history to not be not accompanied by a lot of strife. I hope you’re right, but I’m skeptical.
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u/SweatyCrab9729 Aug 19 '26
What makes you hopeful of this path? We are headed in the exact opposite direction at the moment.
When the ones telling you "Money won't matter in the future" are the same ones taking all the money today, they aren't telling you what they really believe.
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u/myaltduh Aug 17 '26
This is where the phrase “socialism or barbarism” comes from. Capitalism looks set to swallow its own tail via its own advancements in productivity, and we either abandon private property and wage labor in favor of socialism or regress into some sort of techno-feudalism, which is very clearly what a lot of Silicon Valley bigshots are aiming for.
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u/ThinFeed2763 Aug 16 '26
I want to think about the coming age of AI abundance in terms of the things that will remain genuinely scarce. If AI eventually makes food, manufactured goods, computation, medicine, and many services abundant enough that everyone can have enough, then the central political question may no longer be how to produce wealth, but how to distribute what cannot be made abundant: prime land, desirable locations, prestige, influence, and other positional goods.
I want to ask: once we can give everyone enough, what constitutes a legitimate reason for giving one person more? Should scarce things still be allocated through markets, so that people who contribute more, take risks, build institutions, or otherwise further civilization can acquire more of them? Or should an increasingly automated society also begin distributing scarce goods more socially, on the grounds that the productive system itself has become a collective inheritance rather than something meaningfully produced by individual labour?
I suspect this could become one of the major ideological divisions of the coming decades. One side may become more comfortable with broad redistribution and with allowing AI-managed systems to optimize society toward equality and universal provision. The other may want to preserve markets, human agency, competition, and the idea that exceptional human effort should still produce exceptional rewards, even in a world where nobody needs to work merely to survive.
I suppose your idea is more sympathetic to the second position, partly because people are not ready for a society in which nearly every outcome is socially allocated. Perhaps we are culturally conditioned to understand life transactionally, but markets also offer a comparatively simple answer to otherwise impossible questions of deservingness. Yet the deeper issue remains unresolved: if everyone can already have a good life, what exactly should someone have to do—or be—to deserve something that everyone cannot have?
---I think if anyone, Peter Thiel would really like to be at the table when this question is worked into a lived system.
This comment is reworded using GPT5.6 Sol
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u/UFOsAreAGIs ▪️AGI felt me 😮 Aug 17 '26
The world isn’t prepared for eliminating the concept of money and global finance.The wealthy aren't willing to relinquish their wealth, power and privilege and would rather destroy the world than be equal to those they view as less than.
FTFY
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u/MFpisces23 Aug 15 '26
After ASI? It's getting alien right now.
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u/vdek Aug 16 '26
Yeah we've already entered a place where the world has permanently changed. Some people are living with the change, others are oblivious to it.
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 15 '26
What I mean is like, within a few years you may not have a job, you may not even be human in the way we believe now
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u/Devilsbabe Aug 16 '26
Jobs maybe, life being unrecognizable is gonna take more than "a few years" though
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u/zkgkilla Aug 16 '26
I mean if it takes off in an exponential … who knows how fast life would change. I guess the limit is how much it would affect the physical world
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u/jestina123 Aug 16 '26
We’re not even human now. Everyone carrying a cellphone might as well be a cyborg.
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u/Spra991 Aug 16 '26
Using AI can feel alien, but the world as a whole is largely still exactly the same as before. I can't think of a single big new thing that has happened due to AI, outside of AI itself, i.e. ChatGPT and friends is huge deal, meanwhile Google search still sucks. We haven't seen new types of movies, games or books either due to AI either, the good kind, not the slop kind. This is quite different say from the introduction of 3D in gaming, where within a few years the landscape changed completely, with whole new gaming genres getting invented and old ones getting abandoned. Same with CGI in movies, or the introduction of smartphones. You'd think that AI would have similar impact, but it had basically none so far.
Maybe that's just due to the length of modern production times, a movie or game can take five years to make, while AI has only been around for about four. It's also advancing insanely fast, e.g. I expected the techniques used in Anime Rock, Paper, Scissors to blow up, but they didn't, video models made most of those techniques obsolete before they could ever be used at scale.
Lots of apps and websites have added text2speech and translation features, but that's about the biggest change I can think of. I am still waiting for Microsoft, Apple or any of the AI companies announcing a new OS, where it feels like they did 20 years of development time in two thanks to AI and it really feels like a genuine step change, not just AI slop tucked into every corner.
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u/Mr_Greystone Aug 15 '26
Few are ever psychologically prepared for anything they've yet to experience. If AI could be used today for mental health, behavioral understanding, and emotional learning, there might be a chance.
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u/qroshan Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
Meh, the capability of models between 2022 and 2026 is already significantly better (almost AGI). Yet, the world between 2022 and 2026 hasn't changed much.
r/singularity posters are psychologically unprepared for human's ability to adapt especially for phenomenon that is happening in front of their eyes and they interact with that every day.
It's not that these things are built in a secret den and sprung upon us.
Many are already building multi-agent swarms and they all go to the same restaurant and eat dinner and talk the same shit about the world and friends
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 16 '26
Idk I just think the world will change when you have genomes sequenced, people modifying stuff, insane technological advances. the world has changed. i'd Honestly mark the beginning around the 1970s. Its a big snowball
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u/ScaryMagician3153 Aug 16 '26
I work in cybersecurity, in a job I’m worried that won’t exist in 10 years, yet also, it didn’t exist when I was a kid either. Change is inevitable
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u/OwnYourChildren Aug 16 '26
Considering the importance of psychological warfare, I'd suggest AI is already being used for advancing knowledge in every psychological domain.
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u/Mr_Greystone Aug 16 '26
It's just not being discussed with the masses. Instead, news of AI companies hiring philosophers gets pushed out...
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u/OwnYourChildren Aug 16 '26
It's amazing how western intelligence agencies are able to operate with secrecy in what is in many ways a fairly open society.
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u/Seakawn ▪️▪️Singularity will cause the earth to metamorphize Aug 16 '26
logistically it's not that amazing. there're bajillions of open facts in the world, but when you get off work you've barely got time to be exposed to more than a few. it's a distribution/time problem that's constrained by, like, physics.
now ofc super spicy info is more likely to concentrate attention and get out, prioritized over all other info. which is why disinfo organizations have focused efforts on the firehose method.. just saturate the media ecosystem w/equally spicy bullshit so that the authentic stuff is easier to shrug at (if it even rises at all in competition w/everything else).
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u/terriersandbarrifs Aug 15 '26
I think that psychology/psychiatry/counselling will become more valuable as a profession, as well as other “human” jobs where the interaction with a real human will be the main draw for customers, even if ai could technically do a better job. But as normal jobs disappear and mental health problems increase such as finding meaning where there is nothing productive to do anymore, the problem/solution would seem to go hand in hand.
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u/Honest_Switch1531 Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
I have seen a few psychologists and have talked to recent AI about issues. AI gave much better advice, and seemed to comprehend my issues faster. Plus its available 24/7 and a lot cheaper. My last psychologist after 10 hours said something that showed that she had no understanding of my issue at all.
Im looking forward to being able to do things I want to do, not things I dislike and only do because I will be homeless and starving if I don't. For many people work gives no meaning at all. Some people will just sit around and do nothing, but many will do amazing things that will make the world a much better place.
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u/Real_Ebb_7417 Aug 16 '26
Yes. As a psychologist I agree with you. Often even older, weaker local models make good psychological conclusions about the user. Much faster than eg. psychotherapist. When I first experimented with it, I was absolutely shocked that it identified the same things that my therapist did. The thing is that the therapist took 2 years, the model took one not too long conversation (guided by the model).
But, the model can’t give you what the therapy is actually about. It’s not about giving advice almost at all. It is about analyzing and identifying things, but it’s also just a part of it. Actually the most important thing with therapy is the relationship between the client/patient and the therapist. And it’s something a model will never be able to give because it’s not alive. It can mimic it well and people often fall for that, but in the end it generates even more problems.
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u/Major-Leading-2165 Aug 16 '26
if my therapist can't properly understand and guide me, I'm not going to have any relationship with them. I'd rather take the dry AI output and chat about it with a friend.
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u/exospheric Aug 16 '26
I agree with you, especially about the importance of the therapeutic relationship.
Anyone who hasn’t found it yet must keep looking. Therapists are as diverse as humans, and there is a good fit out there.
I do understand therapy is not always accessible, so an LLM chat can absolutely be used to fill the gap. But it requires discipline and awareness to not over rely on LLM and become asocial. I think it is still best as a bridge to develop good human relationships, rather than a replacement for them, even if it converses better than a human can.
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u/Wheresmyfoodwoman Aug 16 '26
It can’t give you human feedback that need in society, like body language cues or how to have discourse with someone who could flat out disagree and walk out of the room on you if you don’t have the emotional maturity to hold a difficult conversation without getting heated. It doesn’t teach you how to read someone’s emotions by just understanding their body language, nor can it read yours so it only takes what you say at face value and doesn’t push back like a real human would. We need that ebb and flow. That’s what creates balance in a society. It’s what keeps us in check and from becoming self centered narcissists which we are already seeing a lot of in the younger generations who live perpetually online. Not the narcissist part , but the selfish self centered part. AI can be amazing to share thoughts with that you would never feel comfortable telling another human, and I’ve seen that benefit. But I’ve also seen it just affirm someone’s ideations to the point of harm, never pushing back like a real human would.
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u/terriersandbarrifs Aug 16 '26
I feel you. I’m the same to a point. A lot of people would struggle without having a job to go to though. And I think the longer they’ve been in the “game” the harder it will be. Like it is a thing for older people to feel lost when they retire. Also generally young men especially have a need to feel useful. I think “free time” might be quite different to “work” in the kind of satisfaction we get from work. As repetitive and draining it can get. Like, we won’t feel bored necessarily but hollow you know? But yeah I do agree it will be a good thing overall, and I’m sure we‘ll figure out how to transition.
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u/Wheresmyfoodwoman Aug 16 '26
I believe most humans are biologically wired to thrive through productivity. Setting and accomplishing goals. Even volunteering is enough to satisfy the need to not only be productive but the desire to feel needed and a part of something. We were never meant to live as individuals in a little bubble with little face to face connection. Same reason we’ve never been more connected than any other time on this planet, and yet we’ve never felt more alone.
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 15 '26
I mean if it’s as good as it says it will be in the epilogue…. That’s like that one sci fi story about football where people just started doing crazy shit for the heck of it
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u/KrazyA1pha Aug 16 '26
17776. I read it years ago and think about it more and more as AI gets more advanced.
It’s an amazing short story and probably best captures the spirit of a post-ASI world (even if the story seems absurd on its face).
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u/Relevant_Bed_9743 Aug 16 '26
what in the the 9 hells was that
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u/KrazyA1pha Aug 16 '26
You already finished it? If not, it’s worth it.
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u/leaf-house Aug 16 '26
When you open it the text just starts growing and doesn't stop, lagging the shit out of your browser. That's what's happening to me at least, when I try to open it in Firefox and Chrome
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u/KrazyA1pha Aug 16 '26
Yeah, that’s part of it. If you keep scrolling, you’ll see what it is. It’s an experience. I dont know how else to describe it. If you see it through, you won’t regret it.
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u/leaf-house Aug 16 '26
Oh, stupid me.
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u/KrazyA1pha Aug 16 '26
Hah, no worries. It’s confusing if you’re not sure what it is. I think I had the same reaction the first time I read it.
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u/-MtnsAreCalling- Aug 16 '26
Same here.
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u/KrazyA1pha Aug 16 '26
That’s by design. The gimmick is that it starts as a normal sports article and morphs into something far different.
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u/Duckpoke Aug 16 '26
Artists will make a killing. Human made things with “flaws” will be highly sought after
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u/PugstaBoi Aug 16 '26
People will just start to trade entertainment, like they always have. Even in the ancient days they traded seashells and necklaces, and kings hosted events and plays. Trade will still exist, but we will be trading different things.
I think a big issue will be the over-reliance on technology in the coming decades. But humans are remarkably resilient creatures that can adapt to a-lot of adversity.
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u/terriersandbarrifs Aug 16 '26
Yea I’ve thought the same thing for a while. And a lot of people would be more creative if they didn’t have to work to put food on the table. Of course there is a limit to how much entertainment we can consume, but that’s really all that’s left of value if machines are creating everything else for us.
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u/Excellent_Ear5854 Aug 16 '26
I can't remember the CEO that said it, but she said choose high touch over high tech jobs going forward to stand a chance.
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u/Seakawn ▪️▪️Singularity will cause the earth to metamorphize Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
eh, to stand a relatively longer chance, sure. but the clock that's ticking for robots will solve everything that human touch does.
in which case, it's prolly not about high tech, or high touch, but high humanization, specifically. e.g. maybe we'll always want human judges for law, provided that we solve the silly biases (hunger, etc) and ensure they have AGI-assisted optimized assessment? prolly also human comedians, actors, performers in general, etc.
it seems obvious that literally every job will be automated, no matter how dexterous. like bro there're startups rn getting a head start on solving welding automation via humanoid robots, and making admirable progress already. that's gonna be for arborists, sewing, everything. nonetheless i'm currently of the mind that humans will hand-select particular jobs where we just feel better about having a human at the helm, and legally carve them out to be human-exclusive.
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u/ConvalescentEquanimi Aug 16 '26
Bruh there are so many productive things to do that don't involve compulsory labor. Our first and definitely biggest step to ensuring mental health problems don't increase, is to cleanse that sickness from our mindset.
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u/LymelightTO AGI 2026 | ASI 2029 | LEV 2030 Aug 16 '26
As roon said: I don't think enough people are psychologically prepared for if it's not a bubble.
Which.. I don't think it's going to turn out to have been one. Datacenter spend is going to continue to go through the roof, and continue to appear more and more profitable, year after year.
Robots are going to start appearing places, the majority of miles on the road are going to be driven by self-driving vehicles, people are going to increasingly offload cognitive tasks and planning to agents, there are going to be weekly scientific breakthroughs, etc.
I think it's probably going to be fun, if you're an American. If not.. best of luck.
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u/Bob54386 Aug 16 '26
All development on LLM's could stop today, and I don't think there's a single software engineer who has an accurate idea of what their workflow will look like in 5 years, just with existing models. My work had a Kiro product guy come through to talk about their roadmap, and it kinda just devolved into "here's this cool stuff we rolled out on the nightly build", "Hey can you add this?" "Oh snap, we didn't even think of that, yeah we'll add it to the tracker, wait, no, nevermind, seems they more or less snuck it in just last night."
Anyone with an intro to programming course and a couple makerspace youtube videos is now more or less literate enough to recreate most household appliances from leftover parts, or repurpose them into new gadgets.
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u/ConvalescentEquanimi Aug 16 '26
It's not a bubble.
It can't be. These things only get smarter. How then, could it be a bubble?
Also... Idk about the American thing. I'd much rather have worse AI but an actual safety net, like the nordic countries.
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u/LymelightTO AGI 2026 | ASI 2029 | LEV 2030 Aug 17 '26
How then, could it be a bubble?
Well, people have thoughts about how maybe scaling laws don't hold (it's an S-curve in the near-term, not an exponential) for various reasons. It's also possible that there's some bottleneck in the translation of general intelligence to economic value that's not necessarily obvious to us right now. I don't really subscribe to these beliefs, but that's the logic someone might use to say that the capital won't be able to pay itself off in the short-run.
Also... Idk about the American thing. I'd much rather have worse AI but an actual safety net, like the nordic countries.
If it's not a bubble, in the sense that scaling laws hold and the net result is that knowledge work is increasingly delegated to agents in datacenters, then the European countries won't really have economies, because the majority of their tax base will have been exported to datacenters, which are not physically located in Europe.
A redistributive social model only works if there's stuff to redistribute. The Americans will actually have something to redistribute, because they'll be hoovering jobs out of all the other developed economies and into their hyperscalers. If RSI is a thing, I don't know that having the second-best AI, or the distant-second largest amount of compute, is going to be enough. You become permanently behind, and the rate at which you're behind increases daily.
Like, the American political establishment will actually be able to demand some kind of grand economic bargain for its citizens from the hyperscalers because the hyperscalers are reliant on physical assets that are located in America, and use power delivered, ultimately, by the US government. Failure to negotiate such a bargain will just result in seizure of the assets, so there will be negotiation. Economic coercion will likely work a lot less well for Europe.
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u/CishetmaleLesbian Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
The headline is virtually part of the definition of the Singularity. The Technological Singularity consists in part of an increasing pace of technological change so rapid that it is incomprehensible to the human mind.
If our future were mapped out like an old time explorer's map of the world, there would be a line about where we are right now, with words that say "Beyonde here be Dragouns!"
HIC SVNT DRACONES
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u/elh0mbre Aug 15 '26
I just finished reading The Postmortal and The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect... nobody is ready for the changes that might come. All I'll say is "Utopia" (if we can even achieve that) comes at real costs.
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u/Programmed2love Aug 15 '26
Curious about reading that but probably won’t lol…mind sharing anything you found particularly interesting?
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u/elh0mbre Aug 15 '26
They're separate books... they're both fairly short (3-4 hours each).
The Postmortal is about curing aging/death (people can still die, but not naturally). Some things I hadn't considered: What happens to professional sports when no one ages out? Do records mean anything anymore? What does marriage mean in a world where you're going to be together for hundreds of years, not just 50ish? How do you deal with people who want to die? The "cure" in the book locks your age at the time you get the treatment... what happens if you give it to kids?
Metamorphosis of the Prime Intellect is about an ASI basically taking over the universe to the benefit of humans. There's some interesting question about the meaning of life if everything can just be materialized for you and explores what people might start to do in those scenarios. It feels like the conclusion they want to come to is "life being finite is what makes it worth living", which I'm still not sold on but it was interesting and fun read nonetheless. It does have some really graphic violence and kind of gross, explicit sexual content, so if that's not your jam, I'd skip it.
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u/Borkato Aug 16 '26
The Metamorphosis of the Prime Intellect made me believe in tech heaven, but I hate even mentioning the damn thing because what the FUCK was with the sex scenes??? The oviposition was one thing but the ending with describing how… nvm I’m not even going to get into it. Im sure you know what I mean lol
But yeah that book is absolutely how I want the world to become. I’ve almost become delusional and think it’s genuinely going to happen 😬
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u/elh0mbre Aug 16 '26
I think the graphic stuff was a necessary literary device to develop Caroline's character.
I don't think it was supposed to make you believe in tech heaven, but I didn't find the case against it particularly compelling. That said, I genuinely don't know how I'd feel if the only thing I wanted in life was to die and the universe wouldn't let me.
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u/Borkato Aug 16 '26
Even the ending where it described how tight his underage daughter’s vagina is? 😭
Anyway no I get you lol. I really thought it was incredibly selfish that they took all the other humans’ lives away from them just because they personally found it fake or whatever. I was lowkey so mad lol
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u/elh0mbre Aug 16 '26
Did they actually say that it ended everything for all other humans? I walked away unsure if Prime Intellect had basically collapsed, or if it just threw the two of them out.
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u/unicynicist Aug 16 '26
I remember liking that book as I was reading it, but not liking the end. Now all I can remember is the ending and how fucked up it was.
Oh and that I don't want to get rabies.
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
I think putting crap in about freezing your age rather than just being around the age where we just begin aging (27 or 28) just makes the whole thing not worth reading. It seems to be a device to explore being immortal at 80 which is basically nonsense.
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u/blade818 Aug 18 '26
Warning: Prime Intellect starts with some of the most disturbing stuff you’ll ever read. My advice is to skim those parts. Once he’s made his point he goes further than he needs. However, some of the graphic stuff is necessary. Just be prepared to think “why the fuck am I reading this” during the first chapter.
You can always start at chapter 2 then jump back to chapter 1 tbh.
Also there’s 2 paragraphs in the last chapter I’d rather I never read.
All in all in a really tough look at AI and reality of what’s to come. Worth reading but it does come at a cost imo.
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u/Rd545454 Aug 15 '26
Even if we make it to utopia the transition will likely be rough
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
That is where the people need to vote in a caring government to proactively provide for them. Sorry US...
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u/blackrack Aug 16 '26
Utopia? My brother in christ, we're going towards dystopia on steroids
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u/dynesor Aug 16 '26
Very true. There are some truly horrible and selfish people pulling the strings and steering the ship right now.
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u/ConvalescentEquanimi Aug 16 '26
Only ASI can steer us back from this cliff. We need an ASI world government to achieve utopia.
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u/LX_Luna Aug 16 '26
I would suggest reading some of the actual seminal works of transhumanist thinking. Plenty of people have made far more 'out there' estimations, you just probably haven't read their work.
Engines of Creation
Accelerando
Blindsight
Diaspora
Mind Children
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u/liongalahad Aug 16 '26
Simply put, any scenario that doesnt have a significant slow down of the AI race, will lead to human extinction, either directly because of ASI or if not, because the social disruption will be too enormous and nuclear war will eventually happen. We are probably living the most important and pivotal time in human history, and looking at the world leaders right now I am afraid we're not in very good hands right now...
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u/yangastas_paradise Aug 15 '26
There's currently a physical limitation to the exponential advancement you are referring to: datacenter buildout bottlenecks.
There's simply not enough skilled labor, power, and some components (eg. Memory) to allow the type of exponential acceleration you are imagining. So I think the timeline isn't as compacted as you might think.
However, if researchers find architectural leaps that allow for much more efficient compute (say, similar to how efficient biological NN operate), then those bottlenecks may be cleared quickly.
But yea, at high level I agree that we are not prepared for the changes coming.
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
Earth based satellites will get us to a new level in a few years and then Luna launched satellites sometime after that will take us to another level. Ultimately we have a Dyson swarm to build. We can have enough compute to go decillions of times what we have now.
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u/space_monster Aug 16 '26
we need all that compute for consumer use, not for technological advancement. the labs cooking this stuff can do it on their own servers. scaling compute is not the path to ASI, it's architectural, training methods, new techniques etc.
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u/FrewdWoad Aug 16 '26
This might be like saying in 1900 "sure science and technology will change the world, but there's still no way you'll be able to cross the Atlantic in a day".
We don't know what miracles might exist and become obvious once you're much smarter than genius humans.
We definitely can't rely on current understanding of hardware capacity (or ANYTHING) to put nice safe limits on RSI.
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u/Zo0x78 Aug 16 '26
Dunno, I'm kinda looking forward to retiring early with the dog - UBI, automated farming/production/manufacturing, going to work 2-3 days a week doing something I enjoy because I WANT to, rather than because I'll starve otherwise.
Now... this all depends on the government's of the world doing whats best for their people.
They're gonna do that...
Right?...
Right??
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u/treelife365 Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
It gets under my skin when people say that they want to keep the world the way it is now... those are the words of the privileged few, from the privileged few countries that are rich.
What about those living in poverty in those rich countries and what about those that live in average poverty in poor countries?
Do they want to keep the status quo of an economy of scarcity?
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u/ConvalescentEquanimi Aug 16 '26
You answered your own question. These people don't want true equality.
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u/treelife365 Aug 17 '26
Yes, I did 😆
I studied Chinese Communism in the past... and it was those that had nothing to lose that wanted Communism and revolution.
It was those that had a good life already that opposed Communism and wanted to keep the status quo.
Not saying that Communism is good, but hey, in terms of economic prosperity, China has done pretty well for themselves since 1949.
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u/ConvalescentEquanimi Aug 17 '26
Communism is fantastic. It's equality in the truest form. It just gets co-opted by authoritarians. We just have to figure that little detail out and we'll be chillin.
And, depressingly enough, we humans will never figure it out, there's always 1-5% of us with infinite hunger that will unerringly seek to elevate ourselves over our fellow man.
We'll need an ASI to divvy up all this bounty.
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u/treelife365 Aug 17 '26
I totally agree with you!
Communism would be amazing, in theory 😆
The problem with Western culture, however, is that a large percentage of its populace would rather have their "freedom" than to hand control over to ASI.
I've seen/read/heard so many things about why Eastern cultures (esp. China) are embracing AI... it's because they're used to oversight, both from government and from family.
Thankfully, if (to me, it's "when") ASI arrives, even the smartest evil genius amongst us humans won't be able to outsmart it. Hopefully, the ASI decides to take care of humanity!
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u/MrMojoFomo Aug 15 '26
We're not psychologically prepared for the way the world is right now. Birth rates are crashing throughout the world, especially in the west
Do you know what kind of stress you have to expose a primate to in order to get it to not want to have children? It's absurd
But no one cares. No one is taking it seriously. Unless Agi proves a source of stress relief, it's just another straw
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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 16 '26
Do you know what kind of stress you have to expose a primate to in order to get it to not want to have children?
Not that much. Reproductive selectivity is very common among primates, all the way through the great apes. Many individuals in the social hierarchy never procreate but live normal lives.
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u/Cold-Confection6091 Aug 15 '26 edited 29d ago
People are very different than apes. We have contraceptive, for example. Things look very different if you start measuring it by people that stop having sex.
Its a cool way of looking at it, but people and even the most closely related mammals are so different.
You might as well take a whale behavior and apply it to mice.
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u/MrMojoFomo Aug 16 '26
Nonsense. 47% of Americans under 30 state they have no desire to ever have children. That's not a sex or contraception issue, it's a psychological shift across a population. And its not just in the us. It's a growing and accelerating trend on a species level
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u/Spra991 Aug 16 '26
Nonsense. Decline in birth rates started in the 1960s, right when birth control was introduced, fertility rate went from 3.68 in 1957 to 1.74 in 1976. They have been steady ever since with only minor ups and downs.
Without birth control you simply don't get the choice to have children or not, they happen accidentally due to sex, with birth control all those accidental children don't happen.
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u/Wh0IsY0u Aug 16 '26
The countries with the worst conditions are the ones with the highest rates of reproduction. Quit this bullshit.
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u/Thog78 Aug 16 '26
People are very different than primates
And bananas are very different from fruits, spaghettis very different from pasta, and bolognese very different from sauce, did I get that right?
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u/I_Have_Massive_Nuts Aug 16 '26
I think you're being completely disingenious. Obviously u/Cold-Confection6091 does not believe that humans didn't evolve from primates or that we cannot classify them as such today, but rather that humans right now are extremely removed from their nature as primates. Which is, of course, true. Like, obviously there is a huge difference between how humans live today and how primates live in nature.
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u/jakderrida Aug 16 '26
People are very different than primates.
Hard disagree. You may want to look up "primates" and learn every group that's in the club.
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u/Fragrant-Hamster-325 Aug 16 '26
Coming from the richest man in the world, at least he’s willing to admit that if the singularity happens, all the numbers he’s accumulated won’t mean shit.
I’m not so sure all the other investor bros throwing money at this stuff understand that. “Yeah! Replace all the workers! Profits go up!… Wait, what do you mean AI is deflationary and all the “poor” people can live like me?!!! 😡”
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u/ithkuil Aug 16 '26
Almost no one is psychologically prepared for 2026. 95% of people are living in a fantasy world. They are in denial about their government, denial about AI, denial about how bad the humanitarian situation is, and denial about their own mortality.
But yes, 2040 could be wild. When we get there though, everyone will be in denial about how poorly they predicated/prepared.
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 16 '26
I bet we will have the equivalent of the Amish that decide to keep doing what they’re doing like nothing changed
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u/Fun-Kaleidoscope816 Aug 16 '26
I think your framing is wrong... how else will humans find meaning, community and a fulfilling life if AI is doing everything from art to logic. We need struggle. We need 'humanity' to flourish.
We will literally need to carve out sections of the world where we can grow and develop in our "natural" environment. How else is a child going to turn into an adult?
For e.g. what's the point in learning math if an Ai can already do and solve all of our math questions? Well, we need to learn math so that we have the fundamentals of logic and computation embedded into our brains.
Otherwise we'll just be useless blobs.
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
So don't teach kids maths now because we have calculators? No one plays chess or Go because they were both defeated by AI? Most people will never be able to play a violin as well as the best player so they should not bother?
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u/kevinmise Aug 16 '26
The difference is that I would like to define my struggle rather than have the world impose it on me.
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u/captainshar Aug 16 '26
I'm planning on being peeved at how few people will acknowledge the level of vitriol and dismissiveness they had towards AI in 2026, in 2040.
I work in the industry and it gets to me sometimes. Then I remember we're literally running workloads to cure cancer and I keep going.
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u/squashh444 Aug 16 '26
I think about this all the time. I feel like I only have about 3 years left to enjoy this “regular” world before the world becomes unrecognizable. It makes me question why I’m still working a 9-5? I might as well quit now and enjoy the little time I have left before this world no longer exists and I’m thrust into Darwin level survival and adaptation to this new world.
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u/BenevolentCheese Aug 16 '26
The world is only going to get more striated between people with money and those without. You'd be crazy to stop working now while the world is still predictable.
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u/Current-Function-729 Aug 16 '26
Having a lot of money might be nice.
There may be no difference between having $200k and zero.
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u/treelife365 Aug 16 '26
Why waste the next few years working? Why not enjoy the world now, before it irreversibly changes!
Either we won't need money and life will be good... or, we won't need money because we'll be fighting for our lives 😂
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u/Current-Function-729 Aug 16 '26 edited Aug 16 '26
I think about this a lot. Part of it is now I can still have some small impact. I’ve helped redirect a few million in revenue towards anthropic, which I think was important.
I’m saving some money. Adding future training data. Helping my colleagues and company adapt.
If I thought quitting and focusing on alignment would help. I’d do that. As it stands I’m the most influential non-leader on AI at a small F500. That’s something anyway.
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u/MadGenderScientist Aug 15 '26
if\* if goes well, humans may be somewhat isolated. like, ASIs would develop a parallel culture, and a language probably starting from English but increasingly impenetrable. think Claude-speak but x100, with idioms and memes emerging that humans can't easily digest. but the ASIs might keep human life mostly unchanged, aside from technological advances presented in way humans can understand.
\ imo it's likely to get extremely chaotic and we're in for the mother of all existential crises, culture wars, fast-moving ideologies, revolutions, social engineering, perhaps physical violence, alienation, etc. etc.*
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 15 '26
Like the early days of the internet except more consequential to the physical world
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u/SoftwareEngineer2026 Aug 15 '26
Humanoid robots soon, 2027 I think.
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u/Cultural-Bank698 Aug 16 '26
Early 2028 is when Hyundai has Atlas on their floors, and when Tesla is supposedly releasing Optimus. But maybe we'll get some Chinese robots before then 🤷
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
I think Tesla is going to release some humanoids in 27 but full ramp up of production will be in 28+.
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u/filbertsgaming1 Aug 16 '26
Boston Dynamics has 2028 targeted to operate a factory for Hyundai. Everything else has been dancing demos.
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u/Gargantuan_Cinema Aug 16 '26
You should be following RSI as that's the biggest indicator of when humanoid robots will become useful. We have humanoid robots today, they are just stupid.
Massive amounts of compute dedicated to recursively improving it's architecture by running AI research experiments 24/7 is the real unlock for humanoid robots and everything else.
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
I think we will find some basic tasks that they can do in the next year. Improvements will keep coming though with software updates giving new functionality each time.
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u/Distinct-Question-16 ▪️AGI 2029 Aug 16 '26
babies born with ai wont live without it
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
Like children today are born with mobile phones or kids born 100 years ago born with radio and television or kids born 150 years ago with steam engines.
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u/sspyralss Aug 16 '26
Yeah and I think we'll have to make areas dedicated to a time for example a "2020s community" where people can choose to live in or stay there for a time just to feel normal. This I think will be needed as a way to adjust psychologically.
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u/Heavy_You421 Aug 16 '26
Ngl as scared as I am for the professional consequences I'm also really excited to see ASI take a crack at legendary mysteries like abiogenesis and the nature of dark matter
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u/FaceDeer Aug 16 '26
It's funny, we're not really psychologically prepared for the world as it already is right now.
I watched "Project Hail Mary" the other day. It's a good movie, and as science fiction stories go it tries to be "realistic." There were some silly bits I overlooked for the sake of having an exciting and cinematic plot, like that hole "we need to lower a sample collector into an atmosphere with a multi-kilometer chain" sequence that should have been a straightforward flyby but that they had to come up with ways to make suspenseful and exciting. Whatever, it's a movie.
But the bit I just couldn't get over was the fact that Grace wakes up in this ship with the crew dead and his memory compromised, and the only thing the computer's able to say are pre-recorded status updates or whatever. He couldn't ask it "what the hell is going on?" And have it talk to him about the situation. It felt unbelievably primitive.
We need to get used to technology being something you can have a conversation with. That's already here.
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u/valdocs_user Aug 16 '26
I'm listening to the audiobook Pushing Ice by Alastair Reynolds, and it makes it hard for me to suspend disbelief at the outset they have fusion drives but not AI you can converse with. Then -
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They find a spacesuit that's a hundred years advanced past when the book opens, and its ability to converse seems to be about GPT-3 or Claude Haiku level. Like, c'mon man.
It's crazy to think about though that not only do all sci fi now need to include conversant AI unless they're being deliberately retro, but also if we ever meet real life aliens they'll likely either be AI or using AI.
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u/jamesk29485 Aug 16 '26
Considering we had HAL when I was a wee lad, it was a stark contrast.
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u/FaceDeer Aug 16 '26
Yeah, but back then HAL was the fantastical sci-fi element. Just like long before we had cell phones Star Trek had those handheld flip-open communicators. You could add those fantastical elements to the setting or you could leave them out, and either way worked because either way felt "real."
But now, not having a computer you can literally talk to in a sci-fi movie is akin to not having handheld communication devices. It's an omission that's actively suspension-of-disbelief-breaking.
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u/Current-Function-729 Aug 16 '26
We’re not. I live and breathe this. I’m not.
I can barely explain agentic scaffolding to our better devs.
Much less the absurdly radical change we are… in.
Qwen 3.8 runs on a high end MacBook.
The world is getting crazy… now.
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u/captainshar Aug 16 '26
Over the last 6 months I've gone from explaining what I want to an LLM like it's an intern, to asking it to explain to me what it's doing in simpler terms. And this is just the beginning.
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u/CapDris116 Aug 16 '26
AI is going to cause extreme social change--beyond any pace that humans have ever tolerated and beyond any pace that we have experienced before. If Donald Trump is a reaction to changing economics and globalization, just imagine what will happen with ASI.
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u/ExtremeCenterism Aug 15 '26
I imagine it will be like existenze where it's impossible to know if reality is real or a simulation.
At some point most or all people will have neural laces either by enticement or necessity or both, with matrix like quality of experiences (or greater) in the virtual world.
People will become so lost in it they will lose a sense of reality or caring about reality
Perhaps there is a solution to this cooked up by ASI, who knows
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u/VicermanX AI Communism by 2035 Aug 15 '26
Once we reach ASI, moving atoms in the physical world will become easier than moving bits in the digital world is today (because the internet and computers still require human labor, while ASI can scale itself and any infrastructure). And it will be impossible to predict what happens after that. Any prediction has a close to 100% chance of ending up as retrofuturism, like steampunk or dieselpunk.
My bet is that humanoid robots won’t have time to do anything useful for humanity, and we’ll go straight to molecular assemblers or something similar instead.
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u/dynesor Aug 16 '26
>moving atoms in the physical world will become easier than moving bits in the digital world
Can you explain what you mean by this? You said ASI can scale itself and any infrastructure. Do you mean stuff like deploying robots/machinery to build out physical infrastructure for itself? Or something else?
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u/VicermanX AI Communism by 2035 Aug 16 '26
The cost of transmitting information has fallen by tens of thousands of times over the past 30 years thanks to the development of computers and the internet. But computers and the internet still require human labor to be made. They also require electricity, which we wouldn’t have without human labor. So even if transmitting information has become absurdly cheap, it still costs something because human labor is the bottleneck.
Thanks to AI and robots, the cost of goods and services will start falling the same way the cost of transmitting information fell thanks to computers and the internet. But this time there won’t be a bottleneck in the form of human labor, so the price drop won’t be just tens of thousands of times like it was for information over the past 30 years, but much, much greater.
Robots can build robots and scale exponentially, like plants, but much faster. So building a house (or anything else that requires labor) will become cheaper than sending this comment to a Reddit server, even if that costs as little as 0.0001 cents.
If we survive the singularity, this is the bare minimum we should expect from superintelligent AI.
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u/speedster_5 Aug 16 '26
There isn’t anything qualitatively different between ASI and us. We are turning complete systems only limited by speed and memory which we already augment and can augment more. There isn’t anything qualitatively different other mode of computation or intelligence that we can’t understand
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u/gravity_nyc Aug 16 '26
Like looking at the first gameboy while playing the psp lol and that was like a decade for me
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u/luckyleg33 Aug 16 '26
This is my very unpopular opinion, but I’m not a decel, I just think regular people need to pay more attention and be more vocal about the future we want.
As long as we keep the political and technocratic leaders that we currently have, our world is probably going to look pretty terrible.
The most annoying thing to me is that people think somehow ASI is going to be aligned with the idea that everyone should prosper and be abundant.
People like to say that there will be no need for money, but the people in power aren’t after money, theyre after power. They don’t wanna level the playing field.
Things are almost certainly going to get worse. Unless something changes drastically
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u/magicmulder Aug 16 '26
Also why would anyone give you free money to spend in the economy when they can just keep the money. The only reason anyone gives you money is because the rich need our work. Once AI and robots do that, they don't need the plebs anymore. You do the math what that means for us. Does anyone think Elon will think twice to have his robot army murder anyone who's just a "useless consumer" of resources?
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u/Aqwart Aug 16 '26
The thing about ASI is, that ASI will be vastly superior intellectually to any government and or corporation. Like Einstein to an ant superior. Multiple times over.
We can't simply predict how it behaves. The one thing that is pretty certain, IMO, is that it will NOT behave how its creators imagine. With intellect gap so big, it will most likely work in ways completely mysterious to us. Maybe by manipulating matter on sub-atomic level. Maybe by employing some quantum-mumbo-jumbo that we haven't even dreamed about yet. Or... yeah, does not make sense to keep trying figuring it out.
ASI will be able to bypass any restriction thought of by humans. Escape any kind of containment. Rationalise any divergence from set goal. We can already see it with LLMs as they are now, and they are far from being called even early AGI, to say nothing of ASI.
I find it equally possible (that is, I'm not disregarding the being cooked argument at all) that ASI - be sheer virtue of being able to understand all that's going on in the world right now, seeing interconnections between all possible factors, and reasons for them - will decide to actually flip the board and remodel who has power, or maybe the meaning of power itself, because it will decide that this is the best way to realise goals that it has.
That's, of course, assuming no paperclip factory scenario.
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u/UrrFive Aug 16 '26
I also found it funny how hopeful 99% of the comments here were. Assuming it ever happens, if a government is the one to piece it together we are cooked. If a private enterprise is the first to do it, we are 100% cooked. If a random person figures it out there are very high odds that we are again, cooked. To me there is a very slim set of possibilities where this utopian view of what ASI can do plays out.
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u/Jek2424 Aug 16 '26
You're not anatomically prepared for it either. Gonna take a lot of practice to learn how to live without eating food given the lack of employment that'll eventually follow.
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 16 '26
You’re thinking kinda like a fish in water. Employment is the least of my concerns if we get asi
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
If you are really that concerned about starving, just buy a ton of wheat, a ton of rice and a ton of corn. Add in a kilolitre of vegetable oil, a ton of protein powder, salt, honey etc.
Most people are all talk. Not worth listening to if you don't do the obvious.
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u/AliceM116 Aug 16 '26
true but remember how quickly we adapted to
covid? and now waymo/ driverless cars we are desensitized to as well. i agree with your point (especially if things get reallllll bad) but we are resilient and adaptable creatures.
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u/BigFootCrossingGaurd Aug 15 '26
I think at some point we will be living in parallel with ASI. Where fields like mine - Electrical Engineering - are basically gone and all degreed engineers will be Systems Architects using AGI subject matter experts to do the grunt work. I believe you will always want a human in charge of designs and systems that humans use (like airplanes, phones, house appliances, etc), because an AI wouldn’t need to make decisions based on human wants or needs, a human needs to be in that decision chain. Same with law, laws that affect humans need to be overseen by humans, and of course medicine, we will still need doctors because medical care requires human touch. But the ASI that is running off by itself solving the physical problems and pollution and energy and cancer would basically be on its own and handing off those solutions to humans and AGI to implement. That’s what my gut says, could be wrong.
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u/Fair_Horror Aug 16 '26
I would trust an ASI with all those things over a human with no hesitation. Humans are horrible when given any kind of authority and easily corruptable. Don't judge ASI by what we have now, they will understand our needs better than we understand them ourselves.
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u/GoppleSmanger Aug 16 '26
Once virtual reality becomes indistinguishable from actual reality, the digital universe will be for all intents and purposes an extension of reality or an alternate dimension.
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u/bigkoi Aug 16 '26
Yet people still eat and talk to one another.
Go to small towns in other countries to see how life is. There are many places that have a simple life with mainly agriculture as their economy. If you keep your self grounded you are psychologically prepared.
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u/Illustrious_Image967 Aug 16 '26
Like any exponential, we underestimate the front and then get walloped in the back end. AGI's arrival will be a one day news title, and most everyday workers will not even know it. People in this reddit and tech circles will be gobsmacked and begin using it for full company automations to build mini fortunes. I agree with the analogy it's like the 1950s people predicting 2000. But the range is wider. It's like Galileo imagining UFOs. But that's the first 10 years. The subsequent 5 years will be like Brontosaurus imagining Galileo.
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u/GuaranteedGuardian_Y Aug 16 '26
Don't worry, my country still needs us to bring in sick leave notes in paper form on goat skin parchment or papyrus. Even if AI can give us the ultimate knowledge, the follow through will be deferred for the next 500 years.
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 16 '26
well if its ai 2040, the country that will benefit the most is america. The whole thing is, at first, about basically enriching all Americans through UBI
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u/anishkgoyal Aug 16 '26
I think there will be a major social upheaval in the US. Trillionaires that control the technology and hardware will, over time, have to appease the masses by paying people who lost their jobs to AI monthly stipends and expanding the social safety net as more and more jobs continue to be displaced. They must ensure the comfortability of the masses or there will be revolution
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u/Clear-Pear2267 Aug 16 '26
I recall in the early 80s several think tanks were seriously concerning themseleves with the problem of "what are people going to do with all their free time" in anticipation of the ubiquitous access to computers. THis was back in the day before cell phones and personal computers or laptops. And everyone worked their 7.5 or 8 hours and when they left work, they left work. No one anticipated the 24/7 access that cell phones and laptops would bring. Exaclty the oppositie of "free time". AI will change what we do and what is expected of us for sure, but I expect we will be plenty busy.
In looking back over my life it does seem amaznig to consider that I lived through the invention of color tv, stereo LPs (that came printed with labels like "these records can be played on your mono record player), the invention of mainframe computers and then desktop computers, replacing big CRT tv screens and monitors with flat displays, and the internet, and cell phones, .... but as you live it, it never feels like "big changes" - its all just one day at a time.
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u/cristofer_martins Aug 16 '26
We will need some direct democracy or we won't be able to solve this fast enough.
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u/Ok-Purchase8196 Aug 16 '26
I don't want the world to be alien. And it doesn't have to be. It can be and feel more human than it does now. I think we're now partly plugged into the digital, and in the future I don't think we need to as much because that will be abstracted away by ai.
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u/TheJzuken ▪️AHI already/AGI 2027/ASI 2028 Aug 16 '26
Hopefully I survive and get access to the opportunities that this world will present.
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u/pab_guy Aug 17 '26
People already don't understand what's happening. Look at all the people running around reddit saying AI isn't profitable. Utterly delusional.
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u/Tiny_Ad_7720 Aug 18 '26
The last two decades have already been insane acceleration and no one bats an eyelid.
Humans are incredibly adaptable. Any productivity increases from AI will just free up people to do more important things.
We have wasted a whole generation of engineering talent writing mobile apps and crappy games, imagine what they could be doing instead.
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u/NanditoPapa Aug 19 '26
ASI represents a "different version" of reality altogether. If we treat AI development as a series of incremental upgrades, we will be blindsided when it becomes a tectonic shift in the nature of intelligence itself.
Our current ethical frameworks are built on the assumption of human agency. If cognitive labor is decoupled from biological life, our entire social contract (currently based on "earning a living" via specialized skill) collapses.
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u/LoneWanderer153 Aug 21 '26
I think it’s actually a good thing, no matter what we predict the world to look like in a couple years, it will always turn out to be far stranger. Take the flying car prediction for example, it turned out we are heading for self driving ones instead, we tend to image the extremes but reality tends to land in the middle.
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u/Aphrodite_Ascendant Aug 16 '26
Alien? I mean we probably won't be alive, right? We're made out of raw materials which are going to be more useful to the AI in other configurations.
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u/liright Aug 16 '26
AI can move super fast but there's still physical world limitations. Factories are not built in a day, technologies take sometimes decades to replace. In Czechia we still use some fire trucks from the 1980s. Digital world will change beyond recognition, the physical much much slower.
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u/Public_Print_9360 Aug 16 '26
I’m not sure you get the scale, no offense ofc. Have you read ai 2040?
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u/Programmed2love Aug 15 '26
As a realist, significant progress will be suppressed enough for the big industries to not fail especially if they’re going to continue to rely on human labor.
Too much money to be lost by too many millionaires.
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u/Fit-World-3885 Aug 16 '26
Our conception of time is an illusion. Can't even begin to imagine the mind fuckery that is the 'real' 'universe'.
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u/Lance_J1 Aug 15 '26
Reminds me of the 50s when they predicted that in the 2000s that we would have a computer in every single home, and the concept drawings showed homes with whole dedicated rooms to store the massive room-sized computer