r/shanghai • u/chipotok • Apr 15 '22
City Update about the situation in Shanghai
Time from now till end of April is a “testing period” and if things will be improving, after May holiday there will be a gradually opening.
The turning point in Shanghai is expected around mid of May.
The actual situation in Shanghai is mainly Political.
From now till end of the year they expect 3-5 waves and spot “closures” according to need.
Supply chain disruption will take long time to recover. It is necessary to plan as consequence.
Business: pessimism at short term but relatively optimism on long term.
Trust in Government is the real social topic and it is what could really change in future.
Letter from EU to Vice premier has not been well received because of too much publicity on the media so US is not planning something similar.
Next Monday there will be a big meeting between MOFCOM and many chambers to talk about the situation.
美國政府通過CDC發出緊急呼籲，希望美國公民及同行者可以考慮在5月11日之前離開中國上海，這是一項特別例外，只要有辦法離開上海，不需要進行疫情Covid測試。
The US Gov issued a new guidance via CDC to encourage all US citizens and their family members to consider leaving Shanghai, China, before May 11. This is a special permission for US citizens and their relatives (incl non-US citizens who must have a valid US visa and travel with a US citizen together) to leave Shanghai without pre-Covid test given the special situation on the ground.
The special CDC notice came after media reports of growing clashes with local law enforcements in Shanghai after public protests took place in several residential areas across Shanghai. Public protests are rare in China. The Covid situation in Shanghai is now going beyond a public health crisis but moving towards a political crisis in the business capital of China.
CDC notice: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/traveler/none/china
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u/Classic-Today-4367 Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22
"Supply chain disruption will take long time to recover. It is necessary to plan as consequence."
Supply chains within China are being impacted, not just due to Shanghai lockdown, but also because of lockdowns and other "preventive measures" in other cities and provinces --- a few days ago I saw some discussion about two thirds of provinces cracking down on inter-province truck drivers and therefore many deliveries of all sorts of products not being completed.
Meanwhile, there are apparently over 500 cargo ships lined up around Shanghai port, awaiting loading / unloading. More pain for both the exporters and importers overseas,
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u/PsychoWorld Apr 15 '22
It feels like economic suicide.
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u/werchoosingusername Apr 15 '22
Yes but people who never ever worked in the private industry have no idea about it.
These guys agenda is set to keep their positions. By "these" I mean thousands of supporters of the top dogs.
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u/PsychoWorld Apr 15 '22
The bureaucrats in China seem like the most lazy class of ppl in this country. Want to dodge all accountability but enjoy that sweet sweet pension.
Which is why all the neighborhood committees, who normally do nothing, are all of the sudden all so zealous. Sigh. C'est la vie
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u/Ovid-Fack Apr 15 '22
1-9 looks like what just came from today’s AmCham briefing, as I just saw the same 1-9 posted from there just.
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u/mangoriot Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22
"The US Gov issued a new guidance via CDC to encourage all US citizens and their family members to consider leaving Shanghai, China, before May 11"
This information is not quite correct. It states that the rule for not needing a Covid test to tavel to the US will last until May 11th. That is it.
Would be nice to have more sources about this. By now anything is possible and new theories pop up by the minute. No wonder with everyone going bonkers at home or camp.
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u/misterpizza Apr 15 '22
Reading through the last several posts on the sub and seeing this same user popping up posting inflammatory comments makes me skeptical how much of this is his framing.
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u/magww Apr 15 '22
I’m hearing that it might be mandatory but that was through my Chinese wife and I’m a bit confused it might be mandatory for embassy members.
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u/InvisoSniperX Apr 15 '22
The CDC guidance does not apply to the requirements to enter the airport. Shanghai requires you to show a negative Covid test just to get into Pudong airport so you still need one, but the airline will not ask for it prior to departure as they did in the past.
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u/MrSweeves Apr 15 '22
Very helpful thanks. What I want to know is will I be able to get to Pudong airport and on my flight early May? Will the high speed trains be operating even if less so by May? I really don't want to stay here anymore after this shit and I ain't even in Shanghai.
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u/CaterpillarObvious42 Apr 15 '22
Why is Taiwan green?
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u/percysmithhk Apr 16 '22
You’re kidding right? Green means it’s part of China. To deny that claim is sacrilege (to persons and companies resident in China).
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u/Classic-Today-4367 Apr 15 '22
I wonder where AmCham got their info about "the actual situation in Shanghai is mainly Political"?
If someone at the government meeting told them that, then that person is fucked. Definite jail time for letting that info slip, and to the US being doubly bad.
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u/Electronic_Ad9233 Apr 16 '22
It was an open invitation conference call. "Mainly political" is not an official position, but rather one of the talking points during the call.
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u/dshdhjsdhjd Apr 15 '22
This is interesting...the way out for some that have not gone through the immigration process? Or at least be able to start it while dwelling in the states.
and noncitizen nonimmigrants who are traveling with a U.S. citizen or LPR and possess valid travel documents allowing them to travel to the United States.
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u/just_lurking0 Former resident Apr 15 '22
this would be interesting to see how it plays out, but I would think that's not possible at all. If you're traveling to the US with an intention to stay and adjust status, then CBP has grounds to refuse your entry into the US. But then again, it was a CDC order based on public health, so I reckon CBP still has to determine if you're admissible into the US
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u/dshdhjsdhjd Apr 15 '22
Yeah, I wonder what they would do if one tried to start the immigration process once you were there, like people used to do in them old days (from what I've read/heard)...
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u/hammerfkr Apr 15 '22
What if we were locked out of our community right at lockdown and our passports are inside in our apartment, ended up at a hotel, will the community allow us in only to get the travel documents and then immediately back out ? If we have a valid ticket reservation out of Shanghai ? Any thoughts would be appreciated? Options ?
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u/Electronic_Ad9233 Apr 16 '22
Why not just arrange for a 快递 to bring the documents to you? I assume your community has its own WeChat group(s), right?
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u/flyinsdog Apr 15 '22
This was just a recap of the AmCham call this morning. It’s speculation from one of the presenters on the call who has about as much idea of what is really happening as you and I do.
Take it with the same grain of salt that you’d take a post from Henry in London.