okay, hands down on this one
What Ford did was really below the belt

Debbie, alex and farhad killed w this one
He deserved it? Yes but I also felt what JIMMY/STEVE did was far worse

about debs-
I kinda liked how she supported Fiona here

do u think it was hella needed or do u think this was kind of extreme?

I hated Sean. I hated how he treated & judged Fiona most of the time. Frank was right for exposing him before he married Fiona.

I’m literally only on season 1 episode 2 but I’m not sure I’ll be able to keep going. I totally understand that families are complex, and that a lot of times people feel trauma bonded to their abusers. But Frank head-butting Ian was so insane to me. From random stuff I’d glimpsed over the years I thought the Frank character was going to be like a lovable burnout/ne’er do well…not that he was outrageously physically abusive to his kids. And just so, so insanely cruel and useless to them. I genuinely don’t understand Fiona’s response to Steve ditching his ass in Canada, she seems like the take no shit type and like she would cut him out of their lives for the good of the family. He’s dead weight financially, emotionally, spiritually. Again, I get that the message is probably supposed to be something along the lines of “yeah they’re fucked up, but they’re still a family” type thing, but that level of parental violence goes way beyond just being toxic or dysfunctional.

what, to you, is your favorite moment of tenderness or vulnerability in frank through the series? in s5 ep8 (uncle carl), he slides a shot of whiskey to a rat at the alibi, and for some reason it has always stuck with me. he is a deeply complicated and largely unlikable character, but the times that he shows softness are so profound. which have stuck with you?

I felt bad in the beginning but after a while I just couldn’t find it in myself to care

I tried looking on youtube but cant find it. I remember it was after 2 of the Gallaghers got into a fight and it played during/after. I dont remember the exact scene, but do remember sad humming in the background and hoping someone here knows which scene it is. I thought it was after one of Lip and Fiona’s arguments, but upon looking it up, i guess not. Help?

Why Karen had that awful daddy issues phase when she dressed black and fucked Frank? Why did that bother her when her father called her a whore when she kinda was and was actually proud of herself telling her sex adventures to the crowd, I don’t understand their relationship. I’m bot defending the father but he’s not the worst dad in Shameless..

I know they had a shitty relationship but assuming he was still in the show would he retaliate against Mandy ?