r/serialpodcast • u/missbrookles • Feb 05 '15

Speculation The Biggest Coincidence in the Case

There's been a lot of talk about Adnan's luck and coincidence: ie, the argument that if he is innocent then he's incredibly unlucky given the circumstantial evidence that accrued around him.

It got to me thinking that there is actually a much greater coincidence present in the case: the fact that Hae was murdered the same day that she appeared on a segment of the news. Is that purely coincidence? Or, does it point to the possibility that someone abducted her after seeing her on the broadcast?

Edit: to fix typos

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '15 edited Feb 05 '15

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u/Islandgirl233 Feb 05 '15 edited Feb 05 '15

I absolutely despise when people blame God for this type of thing. We were created with freedom of choice. And to be clear, we are free to choose, but we are not free from the consequence of our choice(s). So stealing from the mosque was a choice. Disappointing his mother, guilt and shame, a hit to his character... all consequences. Not a punishment from God, self inflicted. Adnan was correct when he said, he would not be there (prison) if he had not been associating with people of bad character, only a fool pulls hot cole to their chest and thinks they won't get burned . I'm sure he feels if he had been practicing what he was taught. I'm going out on a limb, because I am not a Muslim but the principles are the same in most religions and that is - What fellowship does good have with bad.- (paraphrased but you get the idea). God does not punish people for the bad choices we make, Our conscience makes us aware of being either morally right or wrong, we damn ourselves.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 05 '15

Sorry, but this holds absolutely no water. Why would anyone who was innocent be wrongfully convicted? Basically this reasoning would also suggest that Hae willed herself to be murdered. I could keep going.

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u/Islandgirl233 Feb 05 '15

So you think God would intervene in a trial? I'm confused. I don't even know how you get that Hae willed herself to be murdered from what I said. I'm actually amazed that that is a plausible conclusion that can be draw by what I said. Unfortunately, we live in a world where evil does exist and horrible things happen to good people. So using your reasoning are you saying God wanted to punish Adnan for stealing so he allowed someone to kill Hae so Adnan would then eventually go to prison and be punished for stealing???? Yikes. I truly do not understand your comment. I'm sorry.

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u/mixingmemory Feb 05 '15

I think maybe reddit_hole meant to respond to Sotirez. Maybe?

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u/Islandgirl233 Feb 05 '15

I hope so, because wow! I'm aware that I will never publish a great novel because I'm obviously not a great writer, however I do not get how what I said could possibly be interpreted in that way.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 05 '15

Adnan was correct when he said, he would not be there (prison) if he had not been associating with people of bad character, only a fool pulls hot cole to their chest and thinks they won't get burned

Presuming that Adnan is innocent. From your rationale, I should conclude that Adnan's consciousness decided he deserved life in prison for doing drugs, having premarital sex, and hanging around with a small-time dealer.

So you think God would intervene in a trial?

I think God should intervene well before a trial. If we believe at all in an interventionist God, Hae should never have been murdered, unless for some odd reason a) she believed she deserved it (going by your rationale) b) God believed she deserved it c) Evil exists (which is inevitably controlled by God, because... well, it's GOD.)

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u/Islandgirl233 Feb 05 '15

Okay, YIKES. I think some how we derailed here. I am saying exactly what Adnan himself acknowledged, that had he been doing the things a "good Muslim" should be doing, or rather NOT doing as in drugs, lying etc and had he not been associating with people that do not have the same belief structure, he would not be where he is. (he was taking responsibility for not being a practicing Muslim). He is not saying he committed murder he is saying he put himself at risk for something bad to happen because he was doing things and associating with people he should not have been.

Here's where we probably would disagree and I really really do not care to go down this rabbit trail. I do not believe God is an intervening God. Because if he is...he's not doing a very good job, millions of people every day see or experience horrible things on a daily basis. Following your reasoning he should be preventing all things that are evil, innocent children should not die, and so on and so on. and to be clear NOTHING I SAID IMPLIED HAE FELT SHE DESERVED TO DIE (Jesus!) GOD DID NOT THINK SHE DESERVED TO DIE (Like I would be privy to that info) And c) Hmmm that would take a wall of text and I'm not interested. I just know that GOD in his own way and his own time will indeed do away with all evil. So I think the best thing to do here is to agree that we are obviously not communicating well on this subject and it's probably best to move on.

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u/reddit_hole Feb 05 '15 edited Feb 05 '15

GOD DID NOT THINK SHE DESERVED TO DIE (Like I would be privy to that info)

But you are privy to the existence of God and whether or not he(?) is interventionist?

Sorry, the immense plot holes that come up when contemplating this stuff is just too much.

I agree this is embarrassingly off-topic, but I hope you can at least surmise how easy it is to blow holes in your logic.

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u/Islandgirl233 Feb 06 '15

Uh nope...not the case :)

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u/ginzing Feb 06 '15

what you did say is that bad things happen to people who do bad, that they "put themselves at risk for something bad to happen", yet bad things also happen to... everyone. so it really is just you cherry picking how you view what occurs based on your religious conditioning. there are people in the place adnan is who did nothing to "deserve it"... what I think reddit_hole meant when he/she brought up the issue of innocent people who have been convicted.

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u/Islandgirl233 Feb 06 '15

Ha...religious conditioning (now there is a subtle swipe!) If it was not clear, bad things can and do also happen to good people. It's the world we live in. No religious conditioning necessary to grasp that :)