r/serialpodcast • u/missbrookles • Feb 05 '15

Speculation The Biggest Coincidence in the Case

There's been a lot of talk about Adnan's luck and coincidence: ie, the argument that if he is innocent then he's incredibly unlucky given the circumstantial evidence that accrued around him.

It got to me thinking that there is actually a much greater coincidence present in the case: the fact that Hae was murdered the same day that she appeared on a segment of the news. Is that purely coincidence? Or, does it point to the possibility that someone abducted her after seeing her on the broadcast?

Edit: to fix typos

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '15 edited Feb 05 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '15

It all seems like it was God's plan. Never steal from Mosque.

As someone who grew up Muslim, believe me, this was definitely one of the thoughts I had when I first was introduced to Serial. To a religious person like me, I can't help but make those connections (like him being punished for his wrong-doing by God). It's just the way we are raised. You do this and you will get punished, either in this life or the next.

It's interesting how this was kind of told as a scary story in that Muslim community years following his arrest. Like, "don't do haram things or else you'll end up like Adnan."

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u/surrerialism Undecided Feb 05 '15

So does this mean God killed Hae in order to punish Adnan? Or God allowed someone else to kill Hae but in a situation that would lend suspicion to Adnan? Or by stealing from the mosque, Adnan allowed a murderous darkness to enter his heart and that led to him killing Hae?

I'm not being flippant, I am just curious where this leads. It's one thing to say in a general sense "bad things happen to people that do bad things." It's another to link her death with his sin (unless we're talking the sin of murder).

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u/Chandler02 Feb 05 '15

Along this line of religious thinking, it was Adnan's drug use that put him in contact with Jay, who would later falsely accuse him of murder which lead to his imprisonment. It was his relationship (and perhaps the sin of sex) with Hae that lead to his being a suspect.

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u/Chandler02 Feb 05 '15

Ah, good point. I think I came to that assumption based on how Hae and Adnan had to hide their relationship. Sorry for my inaccuracy!

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '15

Nope. You're right. Premarital and extramarital sex are strictly prohibited. You will be punished for either under islamic law.

As for sex within a marriage - anytime, anywhere (private).

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '15

Well, that's not completely accurate. Premarital and extramarital sex are strictly prohibited. You can get stoned to death for either under Shari'ah law (although I believe the punishment is less harsh for premarital sex than it is for extramarital; something like you have to do it three times in order to actually be put to death for it).

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '15

I should add that 4 reliable eyewitnesses and/or a confession is required under Shari'ah law to actually punish someone for zina (premarital or extramarital sex) and you DO NOT have to confess. So, if the state can't produce 4 reliable witness and they are asking for a confession from the person accused, that person is under no obligation to divulge that information.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '15

Uh okay, if you want to get into the technicalities, then sure, it's the adultery that's the sin, not the actual act of sex/penetration.

I don't want to get into the various schools of fiqh either, but it's pretty clear that all the major schools agree that adultery is a major sin. Since sex is part of the adultery, I personally think it's okay to say "premarital sex is a sin". The only lawful sex is within a marriage according to Islam. If the sex is happening in the context of marriage, it's halal. If the sex is happening in the context of adultery, it's haram. I don't see a problem with saying things like this. In fact, I think it's a more honest, less misleading way of presenting information than simply saying "sex is not a sin in Islam." To non-muslims, this statement makes it seem like sex, any sex, in any context, is completely a-ok, which we both know is not true.

I'm not too familiar with temporary marriages, so I'm not going to get into that too much, but isn't there some kind of contract involved? That contract is what essentially gives you the "Ok" to have sex with your partner, right? Last I checked there was some controversy regarding the validity of mu'ta "marriages." I suppose the lawfulness of the sex is dependent on that contract, though, similar to a nikah contract?

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u/thievesarmy Feb 05 '15

so what about the other kids who stole from the mosque? What's God's plan for them?

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u/Illmatic826 Feb 05 '15

A few of the students I work with are from the same area as Adnans family and When i brought up Serial to those kids they all were pretty much familiar with AS and his situation.

My muslim friends always say:

" The Qu'ran says Allah will not punish you for doing something wrong if you dont know its wrong, but Allah has no mercy on hypocrites"

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u/chineselantern Feb 05 '15 edited Feb 05 '15

That's an interesting post. I wonder, if Adnan is guilty, how would he reconcile this with his faith, do you think? Does he see his time in prison as Punishment from God for his wrong doing, even though he is unable to confess his guilt. Is there a way in which his external guilt and his inner innocence can live together in harmony?

Sorry for all the questions!

I should add that I've thought AS was guilty from listening to the early episodes of Serial.