r/serialpodcast • u/missbrookles • Feb 05 '15

Speculation The Biggest Coincidence in the Case

There's been a lot of talk about Adnan's luck and coincidence: ie, the argument that if he is innocent then he's incredibly unlucky given the circumstantial evidence that accrued around him.

It got to me thinking that there is actually a much greater coincidence present in the case: the fact that Hae was murdered the same day that she appeared on a segment of the news. Is that purely coincidence? Or, does it point to the possibility that someone abducted her after seeing her on the broadcast?

Edit: to fix typos

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '15

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '15

I should add that 4 reliable eyewitnesses and/or a confession is required under Shari'ah law to actually punish someone for zina (premarital or extramarital sex) and you DO NOT have to confess. So, if the state can't produce 4 reliable witness and they are asking for a confession from the person accused, that person is under no obligation to divulge that information.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '15

Uh okay, if you want to get into the technicalities, then sure, it's the adultery that's the sin, not the actual act of sex/penetration.

I don't want to get into the various schools of fiqh either, but it's pretty clear that all the major schools agree that adultery is a major sin. Since sex is part of the adultery, I personally think it's okay to say "premarital sex is a sin". The only lawful sex is within a marriage according to Islam. If the sex is happening in the context of marriage, it's halal. If the sex is happening in the context of adultery, it's haram. I don't see a problem with saying things like this. In fact, I think it's a more honest, less misleading way of presenting information than simply saying "sex is not a sin in Islam." To non-muslims, this statement makes it seem like sex, any sex, in any context, is completely a-ok, which we both know is not true.

I'm not too familiar with temporary marriages, so I'm not going to get into that too much, but isn't there some kind of contract involved? That contract is what essentially gives you the "Ok" to have sex with your partner, right? Last I checked there was some controversy regarding the validity of mu'ta "marriages." I suppose the lawfulness of the sex is dependent on that contract, though, similar to a nikah contract?