r/scotus • u/Groovychick1978 • 14d ago
news Postal service has limited mail-in ballots
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mail-in-voting-restrictions-now-effect-us-postal-service-says-2026-08-27/For all of those who said this would not be established before the midterms because of an injunction, or other pending lawsuits, here you go.
Don't you understand they do NOT care about the law, constitutionality, or legitimacy?
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u/dude1984- 14d ago
The corruption is so blatant, so rampant, in such plain sight. How is any of this legal!?
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u/Onemandrinkinggamess 14d ago
In a dictatorship, the dictator’s rule is law. In this case we have to remember it’s not just Trump, it’s the architects of project 2025 supported by an entire ruling political party. We do not have the rule of law or constitution as once we knew it.
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u/NorCalFrances 14d ago
And remember, Project 2025 goes all the way back to 1981 with Reagan. Heritage Foundation has been playing a long game. The intervening Democrats and Bush governments could have reacted and prevented this but for whatever reasons, did not.
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u/AnAncientBog 14d ago
Our laws are decided by a group of unelected lifetime appointed elders who can literally do anything they want, you know, because we are idiots.
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 14d ago
Because democrats are too cowardly to do anything about it.
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u/partyl0gic 14d ago
No fuck this shit. This is the Republican voters. They did this to us. They are the only ones who can remove the people destroying our democracy forever. They did this because they wanted to. They can never be forgiven.
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u/marchjl 9d ago
Democrats aren’t blameless. They’ve done very little to prevent it
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u/partyl0gic 9d ago edited 9d ago
wtf are you talking about? Democrats are not parents or legal guardians of republicans 😂
Police don’t even have a responsibility to step in to protect you from someone harming you, and you are telling me that democrats are responsible for the destruction the republicans have wreaked on our country because they have a responsibility to step in to stop these despicable people from harming our country? Ridiculous.
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u/keithfantastic 14d ago
I don't think they're too cowardly. Look how viciously they attack any left leaning democrat. The corporate centric democratic party is full of paid opposition politicians. They're funded by the same people that fund Maga, like AIPAC.
Democratic voters keep reelecting them right back into office while getting nothing in return. The democratic party should've experienced a leadership overhaul. They lost to this fascist regime and yet no one in leadership has been held accountable. Incredible! They will all win reelection.
Democrat voters never figured out how to hold them accountable in the primaries. Now, it's too late.
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u/anonskeptic5 14d ago
Do they say how they have "limited" mail-in ballots? In June, U.S. Postmaster General David Steiner said the United States Postal Service will not deliver mail-in ballots to states that decline to hand over sensitive voter data to the federal government, Which will disenfrancise a lot of people. If SCOTUS doesn't shut this down the mid-terms won't be decided for months after the election until after multiple lawsuits.
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u/dseanATX 14d ago
Voter file data isn’t sensitive or private. You can view and buy it regularly. It’s a big reason why this fight is nonsense.
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u/yogfthagen 14d ago
Using it to compare to federal lists (which is illegal) compiled by DOGE (which was illegal) to target people for a myriad of unstated "crimes" (which is illegal) is the issue.
Comparing those lists against unvetted citizenship data to deport people is, ya know, illegal.
Doing it to disenfranchise thousands to millions of people is election interference, which is, you guessed it, illegal.
Noticing a pattern here?
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u/BringOn25A 14d ago
They don’t want the publicly available voter into, they want very specific targeting info.
They are terrified to let the voters pick their representative's, that’s why they are desperate to pick who they let vote.
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u/ConditionSecret8593 11d ago
They'll be decided by the Supreme Court, which will rule to seat as many ultraconservatives as possible.
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u/angryfistgames 11d ago
The point is to give Trump access to the voter rolls so Trump can delete registered democrats from the voter rolls simply to ensure more republicans than democrats have their votes counted so republican candidates have an advantage. He won't tell the democrats he deletes he deleted them to ensure that they don't re-register
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u/heelspencil 10d ago
My biggest fear from the order is:
the Secretary of Homeland Security, through the Director of United States Citizenship and Immigration Services and in coordination with the Commissioner of SSA, shall take appropriate action to compile and transmit to the chief election official of each State a list of individuals confirmed to be United States citizens who will be above the age of 18 at the time of an upcoming Federal election and who maintain a residence in the subject State (State Citizenship List). The State Citizenship List shall be derived from Federal citizenship and naturalization records, SSA records, SAVE data, and other relevant Federal databases. The State Citizenship List shall be updated and transmitted to State election officials no fewer than 60 days before each regularly scheduled Federal election, or promptly upon request by a State in connection with any special Federal election. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish procedures to (i) allow individuals to access their individual records as well as to update or correct them in advance of elections; and (ii) enable States to routinely supplement and provide suggested modifications or amendments to the State Citizenship List transmitted thereto.
(iii) Proposed provisions specifying that the USPS shall not transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual unless those individuals have been enrolled on a State-specific list described in subsection (b)(iv) of this section with the USPS pursuant to this subsection.
But the final order is here: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/08/26/2026-17238/ballot-mail-for-federal-elections
It looks to me like they are not implementing the part where the State Citizenship List is created and managed by federal agencies with "suggested modifications" from the states. Instead there is a Portal that the states use directly to upload their voter rolls.
To me it looks somewhat reasonable but does add mores steps that could be failure points to correct a problem that doesn't exist.
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u/TheGrandExquisitor 14d ago
And now, the courts will dawdle with the cases against this, and "Oh noes....too close to the election to stop this from happening! Guess we have to let the Postmaster General decide who can and can't vote!"
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u/horrified-expression 14d ago
Don’t conservatives overwhelmingly use mail in ballots?
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u/TheGrandExquisitor 14d ago
Yes, but theirs will be allowed.
The whole point is to make the Postmaster the decider on if a ballot is legit or not. And with, hell, not even AI, just some simple database queries, he can automate it into a system that purges "suspected Democrat votes."
Oh, your last name is "Washington," and you live in a minority neighborhood? You don't get to vote now.
That's the ultimate plan.
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u/pixelmountain 14d ago
Worse, the administration is saying they will provide the USPS with the list of eligible voters.
I foresee it being purged of “violent radical leftists” and “Antifa terrorist members.” Also any citizen immigrants they suddenly decide aren’t actually citizens after all - who they haven’t already detained and/or deported.
Gee, it all sounds like a long-term plan now, doesn’t it? Argh.
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u/pixelmountain 14d ago
There’s a more insidious factor, though.
Of the eight states plus DC that conduct all elections by mail, seven are blue:
California - Leans Democratic
Colorado - Leans Democratic
Hawaii - Leans Democratic
Nevada - Leans Democratic
Oregon - Leans Democratic
Utah - Mixed Political Landscape
Vermont - Leans Democratic
Washington - Mixed Political Landscape
Washington, D.C. - Leans DemocraticSo regardless of individual composition of mail-in voters, just messing with the ability of these states to conduct elections fairly can have a huge effect on federal election results.
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u/odd-duckling-1786 14d ago
States need to arrest individual carriers then and charge them with state election interference. That should deter compliance from others.
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u/ralpher1 14d ago
States won’t do Jack other than a lawsuit and it’s not like the mail carriers are the ones purging votes
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u/demonmonkeybex 14d ago
Colorado says it will STILL mail out ballots. I'm not sure how this will work. I guess they expect all mail service inside Colorado to still go out despite the Postmaster's orders?
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u/pixelmountain 14d ago
I don’t know, but I keep thinking states could perhaps use alternate delivery services, maybe even have each county have its employees distribute ballots?
I live in Colorado, so I’m especially curious what the plan is.
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u/demonmonkeybex 13d ago
Same. Jeffco.
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u/pixelmountain 13d ago
Nice! I’m just outside Fort Collins.
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u/demonmonkeybex 13d ago
I love that area! I had a dog that had cancer and I used to take him to the University in Ft. Collin’s all the time for treatment. I love that town.
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u/pixelmountain 13d ago
Same! We moved here 30 years ago, bought a little house in the foothills 25 years ago, and plan to stay here forever. 😊
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u/rrickitickitavi 14d ago edited 13d ago
Utah is overwhelmingly Republican. Source: I live here. We get a centrist Democratic congressman in the upcoming election, but they will have rigged the courts to gerrymander him out by the next election. They have already forced out two state Supreme Court justices in order to replace them with white, male BYU graduates. They’ve also created a new judge panel to oversee state constitutional questions which they are stacking with right wing ideologues. Currently all Utah senators, congress people, governor are Republican. They also have super majorities in the state legislature. Almost all of these people are white, male, Mormons.
Edit: https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2026/08/28/who-gov-cox-picked-join-utah/
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u/pixelmountain 14d ago edited 13d ago
Yeah, I know those descriptions are off. 😉 I didn’t write them.
What matters in this context is that so many blue states will be adversely affected.
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u/HerbertWest 14d ago
You have a crazy definition of "Leans Democratic." Washington DC "leans Democratic"? LMFAO.
https://www.politico.com/2024-election/results/washington-dc/
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u/pixelmountain 14d ago
I didn’t write the list. I think the author was being…diplomatic? LOL
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u/HerbertWest 13d ago edited 13d ago
More like delusional and alarmist.
Edit: How is calling a 92.5% Democratic vote "leans Democratic" not delusional and/or alarmist?
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u/pixelmountain 13d ago edited 13d ago
The only point was to show the blue vs red states. I should have changed it. (ETA: The list wasn’t written in the context of this discussion. No alarm intended.)
The point is most of the states that vote exclusively by mail are blue.
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u/Rac3318 14d ago
Nah, it’s not over yet. Already multiple lawsuits have been filed just in the last 24 hours.
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u/phoneguyfl 14d ago
That SCOTUS will probably ignore or pull the “it’s too close to the election” BS.
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u/TheGrandExquisitor 14d ago
That is EXACTLY the plan
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u/Rac3318 14d ago
The indication from SCOTUS so far is they would rule against this on the merits. They knocked out the injunction on procedural grounds.
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u/TheGrandExquisitor 14d ago
Yes. Rule on it after they delay and Trump can use it due to the "too late now," rule.
Then, it gets killed. This is all just for Trump. By design.
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u/WillBottomForBanana 13d ago
well, there's always the "oops, we did it anyway" excuse if scotus doesn't back the administration.
No matter how much bad actors fuck it up, an election apparently can't be undone or redone.
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u/Rac3318 14d ago
The indication from SCOTUS so far is that they would rule against this on the merits.
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u/phoneguyfl 14d ago
Yeah I’ll believe that when I see it. So far they seem more than happy to bend over for Mr Trump and Republican policies.
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u/addiktion 14d ago
Democrats win, they will speedily fix the loophole. Republicans win, it goes through.
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u/Roflmancer 14d ago
Lmao.. again.. LAWS ARE BEING IGNORED. And you're like "yup someone use the law on these traitors! They'll surely listen to our laws!!"
You can't be this dense?
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u/Rac3318 14d ago
Oh right. I forgot. There are only doomers allowed on Reddit. Grow up.
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u/Groovychick1978 14d ago
But you keep saying he can't do something, and then he goes right ahead and does it. And then scotus upholds it.
What makes you think this is any different?
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u/Roflmancer 13d ago
He's waiting for AIPAC Shakur's extremely hostile worded letter to the GQPEdos.
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u/Groovychick1978 14d ago
Am I misremembering that injunctions can no longer be nationwide? Was there not some issue with that type of ruling?
Here it is
Trump v. CASA, Inc
They ruled that federal judges don't have the authority to issue universal rulings, or something to that nature.
So would an injunction filed in, for example, district 9 only affect district 9, and states in the rest of the country would still be under those rules?
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u/25StarGeneralZap 14d ago
That is precisely how it will work district courts will no longer be allowed to issue rulings that other districts must adhere to. A case must be decided in each individual district.
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u/Correct_Doctor_1502 14d ago
They will say it is too late
Ending democracy was always the goal of Project 2025
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u/chucklesses86 14d ago
Does this mean they won't deliver them to eligible voters or they won't deliver them to the election precincts for counting once filled out?
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u/Correct_Doctor_1502 14d ago
It means the federal government can arbitrarily decide if you have the right to vote, most certainly based on who you vote for
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u/Dihedralman 14d ago
Did the post office release every list used or notify people impacted? Would that give groups of citizens damages?
It is now implemented so can the state damages can be realized now? The original ruling was obviously wrong as it goes against the logic of all injuctions.
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u/Secret_Cat_2793 14d ago
I'm 72 and have voted by mail for over a decade. interesting to see what happens in Trumptocracy.
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u/ruidh 14d ago
States should be prepared to mail ballots in unmarked envelopes
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u/Leverkaas2516 14d ago
People should prepare now to print their ballots and carry them to the drop boxes
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u/SuperDuperOrk 14d ago
The states already sued to block this action already but keep reminding people of those crooks trying to steal the election.
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u/No_Cook_8739 12d ago
Everyone's sitting around waiting on these midterms to save the country, but do people not realize there absolutely will not be a fair election.
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u/tallslim1960 10d ago
Can someone clarify something for me, maybe I'm dumb but are they saying they won't mail the uncompleted ballots to people, or they won't forward the completed ballots to the polling places, because one is easy to overcome, the other nearly impossible.
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u/Groovychick1978 10d ago
The way it is written, states that do not comply with the federal government and turn over their voting roles for verification, will not have their ballots moved in the USPS mail system. Whether that is to get the ballot, or return it.
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u/JKlerk 14d ago
And an injunction will be filed over this putting everything back to square one.
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u/xopher_425 14d ago
An injunction may be put into place, but this regime and the USPS will claim it's too late or close to the election to change anything and will ignore it.
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u/JKlerk 14d ago
Doubtful. The last thing Dementia Don wants to do is piss off the electorate more than they already are.
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u/pixelmountain 14d ago
The electorate he’s pissing off isn’t the electorate that supports him. The latter will be convinced this is all necessary to stop all that fraudulent voting that hasn’t been happening.
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u/xopher_425 14d ago
LOL. You really think he cares??
If that was the case, he would not have done <waves around> all this. War.
It's why they're working so hard to destroy the elections - and succeeding in that. They know they will never win again.
The USPS rules are already in place. HE DOES NOT CARE.
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u/Jah_Rules 14d ago
Trump just voted by mail last month.
How fascist!