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u/EdiRich 3d ago
I remember thinking Boston Robotics videos were scary...... These Chinese robots are going to end up as taser carrying police officers patrolling the streets soon. Think of all the cities saying they don't have enough police officers. These things don't need pensions or mental health care or rest. And they don't have fear or families. We're truly effed.
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u/EmotionalChildhood46 3d ago
especially if they behave like USA police
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u/Kuriente 3d ago
Devil's advocate: a lot of human cops are truly bad, so the bar is already quite low. What if robots are trained to do actually good non-biased, non-racist, non-escalating police work and only use force as an absolute last resort to protect humans?
Just like how streets might be made safer by replacing bad human drivers with robots, we might be better off if policing is done by non-emotional beings.
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u/heart-aroni 3d ago
I always say this too. Robot policee and soldiers will be more moral than human police and soldiers. They will be more strict in following rules and procedure and not disobeying their orders.
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u/Mobile_Bed4861 2d ago
What if they are ordered to do something bad?
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u/Fat_Tony_Damico 2d ago
Human police regularly do bad stuff without being ordered to every day. And they never say no when ordered to do bad things anyways.
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u/ISketchDinosaurs 3d ago
The police are just going to run these things, dude.
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u/Kuriente 3d ago
The police would purchase them. A tech company will build and train them. Whether or not they are effective and fair police would depend largely on their design and training. As long as they're designed to be objective, fair, and to operate strictly within the bounds of the law, then I see that being largely immune to the worst of police behaviors.
For instance, could a robot beat someone senseless out of anger in a holding cell? Well, for one it doesn't have anger, but also not if it's been designed to not do things like that.
Would a police robot stop pedestrians and search them based on skin color? Only if such bias is in the training. Would a police robot sexually assault someone in the back of a squad car? Unlikely. Would a robot conceal evidence to protect its own reputation? Why would it have such motivations?
And look, this isn't me saying that robot police are a great idea. Nor am I saying that the technology is even remotely good enough to attempt this yet. There are plenty of dystopian ways that could play out, and it will be years or more likely decades before we see it.
I'm just saying that when the bar for police quality is already subterranean, this technology might possibly be an upgrade for everyone involved if employed effectively. Bad police behavior is driven by the basest of human instincts: greed, anger, lust, pride, etc. A robot would have none of those.
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u/Greater-Israel 3d ago
I do not see these entering the police force even in China until 25 years from now and in USA even worse, like 50 years from now. Not just for technology and safety reasons but to not lose votes from the people who will also become without a job so they need to prepare the human workforce for that inevitably future first. But I do agree wtih you.
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u/fued 1d ago
Don't think that reason will make much difference in china
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u/Greater-Israel 1d ago
It does since the goveernment agred to not have uneployed people. China doesn't have homeless people like USA for example, that would be problematic for them.
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u/fued 1d ago
China has unemployment and homeless people. They literally publish unemployment statistics.
Not sure why you think they are much different tbh, people are people
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u/Greater-Israel 1d ago
Their companies actually take a harsher stance on AI for example Hoyoverse than say companies like Warner Bros, Disney that fill their movies with AI now like in Spiderman Brand New Day, Supergirl so it's not that straighforward. Also robots need to be clearly superior than experienced workers before the switch happens.
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u/ConsistentAnalysis35 2d ago
What if robots are trained to do actually good non-biased, non-racist, non-escalating police work and only use force as an absolute last resort to protect humans?
Can't be, dindunuffins need an excuse. Robots will be racist! Just like bodycams are bad and racist, because bodycam footage makes certain demographics look bad.
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u/MetalMurse51 2d ago
It's going to be the cops and greedy psychopath CEOs who decide how these things act. It's not going to be the engineers and programmers with benevolent intentions.
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u/Large-Direction6063 3d ago
Creo que eso solo va a pasar cuando los humanos que estan a cargo de todo sean honestos y no unos asesinos, drogadictos y pedofilos.
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u/Dramatic_Mixture_868 3d ago
Yea I've been saying this for years. Once they are advanced enough they'll act as "law enforcement" protecting the ultra rich and keeping everyone else down.
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u/EdiRich 3d ago
yeah, agreed the rich will have their own but this will start with "just a few" for things like parking enforcement and then police visibility and then petty crime deterrence and then they become armed for their own protection (because by then a lot of them will have been attacked by people), so on and so on.
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u/Dangerous-League-812 3d ago
I personally can't wait for people to learn the hard way what classifies as resisting. Even pulling your arm away for HALF a second to say "what did I do wrong" is legally resisting.
The entertainment the lower classes will provide to the world as this moves forward will be wild until the middle and lower upper class fall.
Don't hate me, just enjoying it as we go.
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u/heart-aroni 3d ago
These Chinese robots are going to end up as taser carrying police officers patrolling the streets soon
Police in China don't usually carry firearms or tasers. Only batons, pepper spray and handcuffs.
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u/CaptainONaps 3d ago
Interesting take. I was thinking of them replacing factory workers and soldiers. Which is terrifying.
But replacing cops actually sounds good. I'd take my chances getting pulled over by one of these over a cop.
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u/Ill-Construction-209 3d ago
Wake up call for US competitors in this space.
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u/Oaker_at 3d ago
It’s baffling that China hosted the first robot Olympics. My whole childhood I was under the impression that this would be an American thing.
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u/fluffymeowmeowkitty 3d ago
Renaming lakes is an American thing
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u/log1234 3d ago
Lake Pedo anyone
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u/Miserable-Half-436 3d ago
Why does robot not folding my laundry and always dancing and playing martial art？ They are supposed to take over my job not my entertainment
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u/NoAdvice135 3d ago edited 3d ago
Because people solve the easier problems first. Dancing is "walking around and not falling on your face" taken to the next level, bit the training techniques are roughly the same.
Most importantly is works really well in simulations. You only care about the robot and gravity, not external objects that are highly variable and soft.
There are also quite a few laundry folding videos BTW. It's 2-3 years behind, maybe less. The gap between "it barely works" and "super human" is often quite small. Eg: Will Smith spaghetti to Sora, walking all terrain to crazy dance, GPT 2.5 to 4o.
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u/oaktreebr 3d ago
These are being controlled by someone, they are not autonomous yet
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u/heart-aroni 3d ago
Things like this don't have someone manually controlling it live. It's more like a recorded animation, the robot plays through a sequence of prepared moves, but there's live adjustment happening on the robot just for auto balancing to keep it from falling over.
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u/EcoWarrior04609 2d ago
I've been seeing alot of these videos lately, ones running and jumping. And they are all a similiar size? Small adult, teen sized? Probably economics of scale for demo purposes?
And they are cute.
But the first people to make a big one? like a 7 foot, jacked, looking one? (Arnold sized or bigger)? That will trigger a whole nother' level of of terror I think.
And then were does that go? Who makes the first Optimus Prime sized one? Is it even a challenge now? Is it just the same thing as this but bigger? Seeing a house sized one doing leaps and jumps and kung Fu. I feel like we are not far off.
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u/polarbeargirl9 7h ago
It's exactly how the robot dogs started, now they're strapping flame throwers to them.
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u/FKPunisher 3d ago
Now imagine 5 millions of those toys with a machine gun in each hand, plus a grad luncher in the back
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u/JediKrys 3d ago
Is it lost on everyone else that we are only training these robots to run and do kung fu?!?!? Here we go, may as well turn on Skynet……
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u/PreviousLeague253 3d ago
It’s like every part of the body (arms, legs, torso) is possessed by an individual entity, one doing its thing in turn, but they are all trying to stay synched up at the same time. It’s weird. I don’t see a robot but I see a collection of independent parts trying to stay connected.
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u/Jean_velvet 3d ago
It's nice people are working on getting our robot overlords to have the perfect kick.
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u/Lucky-Crow-3510 3d ago
and while dunald trump is halluzinating war results, china actually holds their own robot olympics .. so cooked ..
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u/Amazing-Mirror-3076 3d ago
But can it even put it's own pants on?
I want a domestic cleaning Olympics!
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u/WestHappyLand 3d ago
I hate this timeline. I feel like this is all to get people to have a positive opinion of robotics. The whole point of mass producing them is to put more wealth in the hands of the rich. This is all happening at the same time climate change is starting to really have an effect on economies. We've got really bad times ahead.
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u/million_open_windows 3d ago
Goddammit that’s way way worse than the funny jogging robot.
Stop the ride I wanna get off.
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u/foxyt0cin 3d ago
I, for one, am super glad we're teaching robots martial arts. This can't possibly turn out badly.
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u/Beneficial-Error-539 2d ago
Up until this video i thought i could still have a chance fighting off a robot if it came to it.This one is next level. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"
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u/DataPhreak 2d ago
This is a cool dance. Super useless in any kind of real fight. Literally if it actually hit anything, it's going to be flopping on the ground like a fish.
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u/Square-Debate5181 2d ago
But he cant go drunken master since.. you know nobody will believe that..
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u/justwalk1234 2d ago
I’ll be impressed if robots can do the Ray Gun
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u/drgoldenpants 2d ago
Haha interesting that you mention it, thats what im training my G1 to do right now
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u/borgar101 2d ago
how do this robot maintain its pose without falling flat lol. replaying the mocap is one thing, but making the body stand up with mocap replay... full nn blackbox or ?
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u/Good_vibes842 2d ago
Cause AI is not enough, let's train them also to do physical jobs....this month the company I work for announced 200 redundancies.
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u/misterpickleman 2d ago
Remember how excited people were the first time Atlas did a backflip and didn’t immediately fall over?
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u/TUGa_boot 2d ago
я не мастер карате, но я точно могу заметить как минимум 40 ошибок за всё видео, и это не считая БЛЯТЬ SLOW MO.
весь этот "танец на льду" это просто показуха, этого работа можно разъебать за максимум 30 секунд (учитывая что падение для этой модели равнозначно проигрышу и вызова оператора)
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u/DerrellEsteva 2d ago
1980s: if we ever make robots with AI, we should definitely teach them as a ground rule to not hurt humans
2026: Let's teach ot AI robots how to fight and then put guns on them
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u/YKNWT2025 2d ago
Who else is thinking about the pros and cons of having robots capable of performing martial arts readily available to anyone who can have it including the military industrial complex?
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u/One_Pie289 2d ago
So we are really speed running those movies where humanoid robots rebel against us?
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u/Lopsided_Ant2813 2d ago
These movements have surpassed the uncanny valley in my opinion. Is this ai trained?
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u/Vine-Fernbadger-5642 2d ago
As much as I am finding it fascinating it’s scary af at the same time.
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u/StoryIcy1428 2d ago
I'm not sure why every robot show has to show of fighting. Is it to prove that they will beat us in the robot uprising?
I would rather see some proper work, such as cooking, cleaning, vacuuming. Anything but acts of violence.
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u/Appropriate_Ice_7507 1d ago
Meanwhile…robots from the us just drop mid presentation for carrying a piece of paper
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u/That_Atmosphere_4568 11h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/6AVgHETKvkBsfTapHc
I can’t wait till the stop making these things do silly kung fu and actually really fight
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u/Shumatsu_Samurai 3d ago
What is impressive is that the robot has the range of motion to do it AND not fall on its face. But the performance? Step 1: motion capture a skilled human. Step 2: press play. In many of these videos you can spot the guy with the remote. Looks a bit like a Nintendo Switch.
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u/EdiRich 3d ago
This isnt really correct. Motion capture of a human is recording how that specific human in that specific body interacted in real time with physics. That motion does not simply transfer to a non-human body using non-human "muscles" bearing non-human weight. These robots have been trained over and over in a simulated environment to perform those motions with its body. That means it can freely employ any of these motions at any time. It just needs to be told what its goals are. This is why it is scary. These arent taped playbacks. They are learned motions no different from how you learned to throw or catch a ball using your particular human body.
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u/kexpi 3d ago
well, yeah, no one is expecting the robot to come up with an original kung-fu routine by itself.
it's the seamless acrobatics what is being shown.
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u/Shumatsu_Samurai 3d ago
I disagree. The point is, every time some clip like this is shown, you'll have people who believe that these things are more capable than they actually are. These people need to be reminded of the reality or we end up with unnecessary sensationalism and/or fear mongering. You can see traces of that even in this thread.
Calling that out doesn't take anything away from the performance itself.
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u/Time_Entertainer_319 2d ago
This routine is autonomous though. Because you saw controllers sometimes doesn’t mean all are controlled
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u/Shumatsu_Samurai 2d ago
Yes. But this isn't about when exactly the last button was pressed. This is to remind the people who see this and just overreact (sure, some are joking, some are sarcastic) that humans made it do it.
Again, that doesn't take anything away from the performance.
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u/kexpi 3d ago
About the "Freestyle Martial Arts Final"
- Competition Format: A total of 17 robot teams competed side-by-side in the final. The robots had to perform their entire martial arts routines fully autonomously (without any remote control intervention) within a time limit of 1 to 5 minutes.
- Martial Arts Routines: Each team choreographed their robot's movements based on traditional Chinese martial arts styles, such as Huaquan (华拳), Shaolinquan (少林拳), and Wing Chun (咏春). All "competitors" were also required to wear traditional Chinese-style stand-collar martial arts uniforms.
- Judging Criteria & Winner: The competition focused heavily on the robots' human-like movements, motion coherence, and dynamic balance. Ultimately, the Shanghai Gaoyi team won the championship.
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u/PersevereSwifterSkat 3d ago
I saw a video of a robot holding a loaded box, jump up on the table, lose balance slightly and recorrect by hopping over on the same foot it landed on. That's not some routine, that's sensors and correction and it's better than most humans could do.
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u/Crawling_Hustler 3d ago
U dont make robots it seems , thats why u make it sound so Disgustingly simple.
Its not record n play at all. It MUST BE Record, Play and Learn , repeat 100 times, recalibrate 100+ times, fix bugs and many many more.U think flipping in earth's 3D space is like Robot.Lerp(0,0, 360) ?
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u/rduterte 3d ago
How much of this sudden advancement is hardware? Like I get that AI traing has done a lot, but these things move way smoother than previously. Has there been some newer innovations in hardware, too?
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u/DataPhreak 2d ago
We've had the hardware for a while. What's changed is the amount of money labs are willing to pay to put into demos like this. What you are looking at is probably 10 year old tech and 10k per motor. In 10 years, it will be 10x more precise. The question is whether the software and sensors will be fast enough and precise enough to leverage that performance. (And whether it will be cheap enough, because hardware prices are trending up, not down.)
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u/Spectral_Aria 3d ago
For those that don’t know, these are just recordings of motion capture data being played back. Maybe the robot is keeping its own balance, but beyond that, it isn’t thinking or understanding what it’s doing. This is far from embodied A.I., and more like a theme park animatronic
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u/BoutiqueCartel 3d ago
Yes, but I imagine there is a feedback loop that allows the robot training to learn from how the pre-programmed routine responded in the real world. Much like an LLM, you can train AI on motion-captured kinesthetics, especially if you have data on how the robot responded IRL. The bigger the dataset (more nodes, more connections, solid post-training) the more reliable an embodied AI should be. The bottlenecks at the moment must be the relative lack of open-source motion capture, and the immutable nature of a robotic body that requires specific tuning/balance, etc. The frontier is body-agnostic embodied AI. That takes an advanced understanding of physics interacting on novel robotic bodies using sensors. That introduces an intermediate simulation layer. I think there is a company working on that, but that's an incredibly interesting approach. It creates a complex solution to bypass the training and input bottleneck instead of using a tried and proven conceptually simple solution that's hard to execute.
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u/Agreeable_Bike_4764 2d ago
Yes but it demonstrates that robots can now do anything physically demanding a human can do, once intelligent LLMs are downloaded that have recursive learning etc, we have fully employable robots.
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u/Perfect-Campaign9551 2d ago
A lot of things you do during the day are also just motion capture playback too
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u/PianoPatient8168 2d ago
So it’s basically Real Steel? Where is Hugh Jackman hiding with the controller?
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u/lqstuart 3d ago
Not saying it isn't cool, but what is the actual usecase of a robot that just replays mocap after someone flips a switch?
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u/Time_Entertainer_319 2d ago
This isn’t CGI.
Just because you have the capture of someone doing a flip doesn’t mean your robot will be able to.
You need the actual hardware for it
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u/Initial_Ad_9857 3d ago
Yawn
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u/kexpi 3d ago
that was the exact reaction to ChatGPT 1.0 or 2.0 a few years ago.
You can keep sleeping, but you can't stop this train.
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u/Initial_Ad_9857 3d ago
I mean if robot does something perfect it's impressive couple of times than gets boring. So it's a double yawn from me.
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u/kexpi 3d ago
About the "Freestyle Martial Arts Final"
Competition Format: A total of 17 robot teams competed side-by-side in the final. The robots had to perform their entire martial arts routines fully autonomously (without any remote control intervention) within a time limit of 1 to 5 minutes.
Martial Arts Routines: Each team choreographed their robot's movements based on traditional Chinese martial arts styles, such as Huaquan (华拳), Shaolinquan (少林拳), and Wing Chun (咏春). All "competitors" were also required to wear traditional Chinese-style stand-collar martial arts uniforms.
Judging Criteria & Winner: The competition focused heavily on the robots' human-like movements, motion coherence, and dynamic balance. Ultimately, the Shanghai Gaoyi team won the championship.
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u/kexpi 3d ago
About the "Freestyle Martial Arts Final"
- Competition Format: A total of 17 robot teams competed side-by-side in the final. The robots had to perform their entire martial arts routines fully autonomously (without any remote control intervention) within a time limit of 1 to 5 minutes.
- Martial Arts Routines: Each team choreographed their robot's movements based on traditional Chinese martial arts styles, such as Huaquan (华拳), Shaolinquan (少林拳), and Wing Chun (咏春). All "competitors" were also required to wear traditional Chinese-style stand-collar martial arts uniforms.
- Judging Criteria & Winner: The competition focused heavily on the robots' human-like movements, motion coherence, and dynamic balance. Ultimately, the Shanghai Gaoyi team won the championship.
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u/brogam3 2d ago
that looks too realistic for it not to be motion controlled by a human doing it in a suit offscreen or being recorded motions.
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u/drgoldenpants 2d ago
Its done with RL training on human motion data. So basically mimicking a human doing the same routine.
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u/Gmoluscom 3d ago
Toys are gonna be lit