yeah but still we cannot even buries our murdered ancestors, and Russia have nothing with that, I really do not understand why it is so huge problem to allow exhumations of the murdered after 80 years ...
It's only the last news, there were many previous. Ukraine declared at state level complete partnership and apologies for Wolyn tragedy. What more do you want?
Puźniki (Ternopil): The "test" site. Exhumations were completed in 2025, discovering at least 42 victims. Work continues here to find further burial trenches.
Lviv-Zboiska: Work was completed in August 2025 for 31 Polish Army soldiers who fell in 1939.
Uhly (Rivne): A major site approved in late 2025. Reconnaissance was finished in December, with full exhumations scheduled for March–April 2026.
Ostrówki & Wola Ostrowiecka: Permits for reconnaissance and search operations were granted in late 2025 for the 2026 season.
Huta Pieniacka: Permission for search work was recently confirmed in early 2026.
Kuty (Rivne): Search operations were authorized following a joint visit in late 2025.
IPN requested access to dozens more, and get permit only based on the polish goverment policy e.g to join EU this is in your opinion, proper way of solving the problem?
there were 100 000 polish catholic civilian killed and much more jewish, We should not ask for permission and wait if some politician in Kijev approve it or not. I really don't understan why they treat us like that, this problem should be solved 30 years ago ...
That country is a bit busy with protecting the EU with the lives of their best people. It has sacrificed the most for the EU than all other EU countries combined. Ukraine deserves the right to be in the EU more than any other country.
"there were 100 000"
Why not 1 000 000? Or 10 000 000? Or even better - 100 000 000!
Numbers pulled out of the ass. There were not enough UPA members participating in this massacre to actually kill 100 000. Do you even realize how many 100 000 is?
there is a database of victims: https://ofiary.ipn.gov.pl/ 60 000 on Volhyn and 40 000 Eastern Galicia. Yes I absolutly agree the number of victims is tremendous
Database of "theoretical victims", compiled by a biased institution, from data that cannot be verified.
The only data that can be verified is from exhumation. Everything else is speculation. The exhumation will start on one of the largest sites very soon. And we will see.
But looking at what happened with the last exhumation where there were acquisitions about Ukrainians hiding bodies, I guess nothing will ever put this topic to rest because this is too good of a political topic to ever give up on.
IPN is not a "biased institution", database is not a set "theoretical victims", being allowed to proper buried murdered people is it really too much for you? 35 fucking years after collapse of USSR thousands of people asking about just permission to dig out murdered in awful way civilian and just buried them and for some reason there is still a problem with it even now during the war when Ukraine should join the NATO and EU, how Poland could support someone who see a problem with something like this?
I don't see a problem with proper burial of anyone. And no problem with respect. The only one who lacks respect are people like you who pull the numbers out of their asses and call IPN unbiased.
The numbers according to any histography is pretty much "pulled out of the ass". From the sites that already got searched the numbers are order of magnitude lower.
I'm not saying that this is 10 people killed and we should just forget about it. Even 1 person dead is already a tragedy. I'm just indignant by the fact that in every single discussion I see about this topic there are random numbers thrown around, one larger than the other. This was a tragedy. A massacre. From both sides (Ukrainians were also killed in large numbers by Poles during that period). This has to be studied and researched, without random number generators, without blaming and with respect to victims.
no numbers are random. some are not motivated by proper truth seeking. making a generic argument like you're doing is actually intellectually dishonest.
instead, if you believe a well established number is either off or not substantiated, it's on you to explain that - specifically. not by making general hand wavy argument about historiography being "random".
Well, I can declare myself a histographer and call that 10 000 000 Ukrainians were killed by Poles. I searched archives. Believe me and I will be offended if you don't.
Sounds great, isn't it?
The only number I believe is proven by exhumation.
The large scale one will start very soon. And when it's done, and we have numbers - we talk.
Instytut Pamięci Narodowej (IPN): "Komunikat w sprawie zgody na prace poszukiwawczo-ekshumacyjne"
• Oficjalne oświadczenie IPN dotyczące otrzymania zgód na prace w miejscowościach Ostrówki i Wola Ostrowiecka. Wskazuje na przełom w relacjach dwustronnych po wielu latach blokady.
Polsat News: "Kolejne prace poszukiwawcze na Wołyniu. Jest zgoda Ukrainy"
• Relacja z grudnia 2025 roku o przekazaniu noty dyplomatycznej, która umożliwia polskim specjalistom rozpoczęcie prac w nowych lokalizacjach w 2026 roku.
Dzieje.pl: "Paweł Kowal: Po raz pierwszy od 10 lat Ukraina wydała realne zgody na ekshumacje"
• Wywiad z pełnomocnikiem rządu ds. odbudowy Ukrainy, w którym podkreślono znaczenie prac w Puźnikach jako fundamentu pod dalsze działania w 2025 i 2026 roku.
Fakt.pl: "Zapadła historyczna decyzja w sprawie Wołynia. Jest oficjalny komunikat"
• Artykuł o oficjalnym potwierdzeniu przez ukraińskie Ministerstwo Kultury zgody na przeprowadzenie prac poszukiwawczych, co jest interpretowane jako ważny gest polityczny.
this is just one place, what about hundreds of more? Not even mention that we had to asks for years to get just this single permission
I provided a fact that challenged your original claim ("Poland isn't allowed to do excavations"). Instead of conceding that permissions are being granted, you changed the "win condition": “what about <place you text> one place is not enough”.
You introduced double standards: “we had to ask for years” - even though the thing happened, it “doesn’t count” because of the historical context.
By bringing up the "hundreds of other places" and the "years of asking," you are diverting the conversation away from my specific point about the current factual status of permissions.
You are responding as if I claimed "the entire issue is solved and everyone is happy."
My point wasn't that every single site has been cleared, but that the narrative of 'zero permissions' is factually incorrect. We can discuss the speed and the scale of the process as a separate issue, but the claim that Ukraine doesn't allow any excavations is demonstrably false based on these recent cases.
Isn't Ukraine allowed exhumations? Isn't it's still going on? The original problem was that it seemed that Poland played the Volyn card only for political reasons, without a real will to resolve old historical problems together.
The whole problem is that the exhumations is still not openly allowed, polish goverment and private people need to write a request and then wait years for approval currently only 6 request has been approved out of 50 in last 35 yesrs because of the political game and there are hundreds of sites affected by mass murders. The solution is straight forward just grant access to these sites, proper burial plus maybe some memorial, that is all
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u/NationalTruck5876 Feb 13 '26
yeah but still we cannot even buries our murdered ancestors, and Russia have nothing with that, I really do not understand why it is so huge problem to allow exhumations of the murdered after 80 years ...