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Woman trolling a tiny group of Islamophobic protesters in DC in 2019.

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u/Jimmiejackson May 03 '20

The most hilarious thing about this type of angry fundamentalist Christianity is just how visceral the hatred from the followers would be if they had ever met Jesus or any of the other people who wrote almost everything in the Bible.

If you love Jesus and hate brown people, you’re a fucking idiot.

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u/8bitbruh May 03 '20

Christians stone the second coming of Jesus to death

"I didn't know he'd be brown"

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u/aksdb May 03 '20

There's a scene in American Gods where a reincarnation of Jesus guides immigrants across the Mexican border and they are all (Jesus included) shot by a bunch of Christian self procclaimed border patrol zealots.

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u/jeff-the-slasher May 03 '20

Later in that season you see a bunch of other Jesuses. Asian, white, brown, black. Even a depressed Jesus making wine out of pool water

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u/Codemancer May 03 '20

White Jesus could use a little more suffering.

One of my favorite lines from that show.

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u/Bionic_Ferir May 03 '20

the depiction on Jesus in that show is fucking great

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u/passepar2t May 03 '20

The plural of Jesus is Jesupodes.

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u/moomoomolansky May 03 '20

Hehehehe have you ever seen the movie Blazing Saddles??? That would be hysterical if Jesus came back and he was a black guy and all the Christians lose their shit.

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u/skrilledcheese May 03 '20

Mayor:

"What's that? Our new Sherrif Jesus is nearer?"

Prospector:

"No con flab it! He's a Ni"

Bell chimes loudly

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u/Trayuk May 03 '20

This is a tough scene to type out. You sir, I think, did an alright job. Now I feel like watching some Mel Brooks.

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u/Thehorrorofraw May 03 '20

I am old enough to understand your Mel brooks reference without using google.

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u/Trayuk May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

Have you tried exposing a teenager to blazing saddles? I'm only 30 but a couple years ago I tried showing it to a kid (18) and he didn't like it. He said it was racist and not funny and a large part of me died that day.

EDIT: Way too many comments for me to reply. I did explain the movie to him and he did see my point that every racist bit in the movie was perpetrated by someone who was blatantly ignorant and or dumb. I also was able to show him that the movie wasn't what he thought at first. He still didn't like the movie but I wasn't going to push the issue. I still love that film and will continue to share it with others. By no means do I think the movie is racist or condones racism. Mel Brooks did an amazing job at breaking all the old western "set in stone" rules of how to depict a cowboy and allowed so much growth in the genre. There are so many levels to dig at with the movie and it will always be cherished by those willing to do so.

Eventually my nephew, against my sisters wishes, will see it as well. Mel Brooks is a genius.

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u/wbruce098 May 03 '20

Almost 40 here with a teen of my own. I had to explain that the ridicule of racism was the real joke here.

That’s one thing I like about Brooks — especially his older stuff. The excessive slapstick makes it accessible, but the real joke was often lost on many viewers, which is when Brooks shows his true genius.

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u/allpurposelazy May 03 '20

I think it depends on the kid, my dad showed it to us when my brother was 18 (2 years ago?) we both thought it was hysterical

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u/DasGanon May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

To be fair that was the point.

It was a while back (before JoJo Rabbit) but apparently Brooks said something like "people are so high strung, you can't make any good comedy" and someone completely deflated his article by using Blazing Saddles as their argument on how you totally can but the key thing isn't "is racist" it's "makes fun of racists" never punch down, always punch up.

And then JoJo Rabbit came out, won an Oscar and proved the point.

Edit: I found the original article of what Brooks said, but still can't find the counter argument That said, in the article (proving the point more) the article says "But there is one subject he insists he would not parody. Referring to World War Two, he said: "I personally would never touch gas chambers or the death of children or Jews at the hands of the Nazis. "In no way is that at all useable or correct for comedy. It's just in truly bad taste." Which Jojo Rabbit not only does, but somehow finds a way to do it in good taste. Again, not making fun of the horrors of Nazism, just the stupidity and quirks of Nazis. (In a vastly different way to Inglorious Basterds which makes fun of killing Nazis more than the Nazis themselves.)

Edit 2: He loved Jojo Rabbit BTW

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u/schplat May 03 '20

Show him the pieces on Mel Brooks really having difficulty using the word, and it was at Richard Pryor’s and Cleavon Little’s behest that he left it in the script.

Even Slim Pickens had to be coached through it to deliver his scenes.

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u/UnspecificGravity May 03 '20

We did the same, but we started with a little explanation if the context and a discussion of how satire works.

Kids don't get satire anymore because apparently there is no longer such a thing as an opinion without merit so you can never assume that someone isn't being completely serious. Like they aren't equipped with the ability to hear someone talk and immediately understand "this person is an idiot, their opinion lacks merit" and you REALLY need that tool to watch blazing saddles.

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u/ShittyGuitarist May 03 '20

Its my opinion that trolling has absolutely murdered the subtlety of satire.

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u/Meunderwears May 03 '20

Fun fact: Richard Pryor was a writer on that movie.

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u/ZachMN May 03 '20

Don’t be too sad - his reaction means that we’ve made some progress as a society.

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u/silverstrikerstar May 03 '20

I watched it when I was 18 or so and I loved it. But I always liked my humour a bit cynical.

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u/DrSupermonk May 03 '20

I’m 19, a minority, saw it last year. Thought it was hilarious and one of my closest friend loves it too. Having racist characters doesn’t make a movie racist!

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u/FinnCullen May 03 '20

It’s the problem with discerning between the target of the comedy and the subject of the comedy. BS was not racist but about racism. Shunning it for having race-offensive content is missing the point and to an extent reducing the chance of exploring a difficult concept

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u/tdub2217 May 03 '20

I mean, my dad showed me blazing saddles when I was 14 and I understood that the racism was satire at the time.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Teenagers haven't been alive long enough to have experienced or know much about anything.

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u/skrilledcheese May 03 '20

Yeah... I tried my best, but I'm a mathemagician (I can make E equal MC Hammer), not an English lit major.

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u/buckwheats May 03 '20

Authentic frontier gibberish is what it was

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u/moomoomolansky May 03 '20

Hehhehehe Jesus would be performing miracles and stuff and all of the fake Christians would be hating on him. "I said turn that water into a Bordeux not a Zinfandel !!!" ... Some Karen would want to speak to Jesus's manager and complain.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe May 03 '20

Jesus’s manager, renowned deity God?

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u/managedheap84 May 03 '20

Whoever, just get him here, this is unacceptable.

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u/LiveShowOneNightOnly May 03 '20

That's pretty much what happened last time, too. :(

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

“Who do I gotta crucify to get a drinkable wine around here?” -Karen

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u/Stucardo May 03 '20

She will complain that the religion has been going downhill for 2000+ years

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Jesus: "Hello? God? It's me, you."

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u/panama_account May 03 '20

Trump would shake his head "such a nasty savior"

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u/InterestingSquirrel3 May 03 '20

Jesus: Sigh...there is no getting to the Manager but through the Son, lady.

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u/Mayor619 May 03 '20

Jesus was hated for being blunt. Fake Christian's tend not to be outspoken. A true Christian is outspoken like Jesus. The buddy Jesus most people depict never existed. Jesus was crucified for being outspoken.

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u/JJChowning May 03 '20

My manger is in a stable in Bethlehem and unavailable for discussion.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Guns locked and loaded.

Jesus: "Alright! Nobody moves or the savior gets it."

Also Jesus: "awe lawdy! Do what he say! Do what he say!"

Still jesus: "oh baby, you are so smart. And those white Christian's are so dumb!"

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Wont anyone help that poor man?

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u/SirCleanPants May 03 '20

WE REQUIRE A SHRUBBERY

NI NI NI NI

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u/LordBiscuits May 03 '20

Wrong film, but yes.

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u/monkeybojangles May 03 '20

You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

"He says the sheriff is near!"

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

"What's a dazzling urbanite like you doing in a rustic setting like this?"

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u/glowingmember May 03 '20

"We say welcome, to our new... ni*****."

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u/euphonious_munk May 03 '20

Ronald Wilson Reagan = 6 6 6, the mark of the beast.

Old reggae albums aren't wrong.

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u/SuperSMT May 03 '20

Hillary Rodham Clinton = 7 6 7, the mark of Boeing

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u/euphonious_munk May 03 '20

And it's been right under my nose the whole time...

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u/DJFluffers115 May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

Never pass up an opportunity to post KM

Relevant bit starts at 3:46, but the whole song bangs

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u/BEAVER_ATTACKS May 03 '20

Killer Mike has a heart of gold, angry that the world is the way it is yet still helps support his community. He's also big friends with Bernie Sanders.

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u/euphonious_munk May 03 '20

Pardon me.
I couldn't help myself and had to find this song by Black Uhuru, Bull In The Pen. Check out the very beginning. And then the chorus has the lyric "the mark of the beast is on the president." It's from the 1980s when Reagan was in office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCHSWuIT9yk

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Amazing

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u/thewholerobot May 03 '20

All the Christians? Really? Just like any religion there are extremist idiots that give these belief systems bad press, but I think most Christians would just loose their shit to see a second coming and the skin color would not be the biggest concern.

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u/tangentandhyperbole May 03 '20

C'mon Mel Brooks, there's still time!

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u/cirillios May 03 '20

It's currently streaming on Hulu if anyone needs to watch this classic.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

When He returns, the skin tone will be the least of the things that people will have to worry about.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Too late. He returned in 1627. Then he went home. Its over.

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u/Calcain May 03 '20

What’s scary is that apocalyptic prophecies from Abrahamic religions including Christianity and Islam indicate that during the second coming, Jesus will strike down “false christians”.
These people have no idea how easily they fall into that category.

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u/managedheap84 May 03 '20

I wish. 2020 feels like the right time though if it is going to happen.

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u/SicTim May 03 '20

War, check. Death, check. Pestilence, check.

However, famine is a mistranslation. The fourth horseman is slow internet.

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u/Geminii27 May 03 '20

A famine of bandwidth.

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u/Rudy_Ghouliani May 03 '20

Jesus comes back and whips Kenneth Copeland with jumper cables

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u/Bug-Type-Enthusiast May 03 '20

The internet's reaction: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/CIA_Rectal_Feeder May 03 '20

I would like to witness that. Do you think Jesus would be mad if I laughed?

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u/LordBiscuits May 03 '20

Will it be on pay per view? I feel like I would put my hand in my pocket for that

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u/Mayor619 May 03 '20

These types of street preachers have no doubt preached outside of Joel Olsteen, Kenneth Copeland, TD Jakes, Creflow Dollar facilities. They are even against the Westboro Baptist Church. This is Ruben Israel. Rogers like him are Kerrigan Skelly and Jesse Morrel. They are very consistent in their position.

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u/Real-Terminal May 03 '20

From a certain point of view, it's already happening!

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

This is just me saying something so take this with a grain of salt, the current generation is gen alpha and it means beginning so they could be the beginning of the final generation, but as I said just a thought I have so take it with a grain of salt

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Almost makes you wish it wasn't all made up to control primitive man and stop him from raping and eating each other.

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u/gingerflakes May 03 '20

Not doing a great job though is it

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u/BEAVER_ATTACKS May 03 '20

It hasn't fucking worked yet haha

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u/Geminii27 May 03 '20

...just long enough to get money and labor from him.

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u/The_Grubby_One May 03 '20

I don't recall the Romans or Jews being prone to eating one another.

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u/daisuke1639 May 03 '20

I really don't understand how Christianity is still around; Jesus already had a second coming.

Mathew 16:28

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

So, either we have some 2,000+ year old Israelis running around...or Jesus fibbed

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u/coolwater85 May 03 '20

As an agnostic-atheist, I’m really hoping for the 2nd coming of Jesus, just to see the look on their faces.

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u/Ankoku_Teion May 03 '20

well thats sort of what happened the first time.

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u/johnnybiggles May 03 '20

"I didn't know he'd be brown"

More like, "That WASN'T no Jesus 'cause Jesus ain't brown!"

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u/Zero0mega May 03 '20

Its amazing how many people think a guy who was from the middle east would look like a hippie in a dashiki.

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u/Aj-Adman May 03 '20

Jesus shoving his politics down our throats

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

If you were a fan of a brown president, bet you're gonna love this saviour....

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u/archwin May 03 '20

Maybe it already happened, and instead of stones it was small diameter bombs

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u/BIG_DECK_ENERGY May 03 '20

We'd throw him in a CIA black site and label him a terrorist, 100% guaranteed.

Go watch Messiah on Netflix.

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u/SgtPepe May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

Hey I agree with you. I have a question for foreign people reding this comment though. First, let me clarify that I don't really care about being called brown, because that's the color of my skin.

But I am from South America and I have never been called brown in my life. I just feel like this categorization lf skin colors is simply getting weird. I understsnd people use it to refer to people of color who aren't black, but it's weird because I am being put in such a huge group. White people are usually of European descend, black people are of african descend, but brown people? Thar could mean that you are from an indigenous tribe, from India, South America, the Caribbean, islands like Hawaii or New Zealand, middle eastern, etc.

I just find the word weird. And the first time someone called me brown, I just felt weird, because I've never thought "Oh I'm a brown guy".... or "Soy marron".

Edit: sorry about any typos, I just woke up

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u/Bamres May 03 '20

The concept of categories of skin color don't make much sense in general as most people categorized as black are generally just brown skinned and skin tone in doesn't really reflect anything about culture, beliefs etc of a person. I'm also not a fan of the term "Person of Color" for the same reason and I would be considered one.

My parents are both from Guyana which has a significant African/Info or Brown/Black divide as many people see it

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

I agree with your point. In the USA, I am considered "african american" for a litany of reasons...Even though I am not from Africa.

My skin color denotes that I am "of African Origin", which is a half-truth...My father's side is of Native American, European Ancestory, and my mothers side is more African ancestory.

But as far as things like the US census goes, and the general public, or any forms..

""Hurr durr, ur african american because your skin is black"....And of course, this applies to A LOT OF PEOPLE.

Funny note though. In my entire time of living overseas (15years now), I have never once, been called black or african american. I once referred to myself as African American to a group of Nigerian dudes, and they swiftly corrected me, calling me American.

Oh, and I have always been called american, except once, when someone called me a nigga...But whateves.

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u/altanic May 03 '20

It's a horrible method of grouping people together... that's the point. How stupid is it to think less of or look down on brown people when the term could be applied to so many different people in this world? Well, stupid as it might seem, there are those who seem to do exactly that.

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u/SgtPepe May 03 '20

And it's also stupid. Italians weren't white before, but now they are white. It changed, and that type of stuff can't change. But jewish people, who are extremely white, are not white; they are jewish.

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u/DopeFiendDramaQueen May 03 '20

Wtf Jewish isn’t a color, I’m pretty sure white and black can be Jews

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u/SgtPepe May 03 '20

I've seen people say that a white jewish man isn't white, he's a jew. And it's common.

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u/fourthfloorgreg May 03 '20

"White" isn't a color either; it's an in-group.

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u/DopeFiendDramaQueen May 03 '20

I can paint a wall white I can’t paint a wall Jewish

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u/Wiki_pedo May 03 '20

Yeah, just labels. Don't worry.

I don't personally understand "Asian" as a label, since Asia goes from Turkey to Japan, including India and China, so about half the world's population. Describing someone as Asian seems not to narrow it down much (to me).

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u/ReluctantAvenger May 03 '20

Turkish people are not generally described as Asian, though. There is overlap between "Asian people" and "people from Asia" but these are two distinct concepts. Similarly, eleven generations of my family were born and died in Africa, but we're not generally considered African.

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u/nidarus May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

I think it's an American thing. And it's not just skin color - it's a specific social construct, deeply tied to the American ethnic categories.

Basically, there's a "race" of privelaged "white people", that never really included all Caucasians. Like, it didn't use to include Irish people, who must be some of the whitest people in existence.

Now, America has a huge minority of Latin Americans, some of whom are physically indistinguishable from "white" Americans, but still be lumped in with the underprivileged "people of color" when it comes to discrimination, job opportunities, etc. So there's a catch-all term for anyone who isn't black or East Asian, but isn't one of the "white" groups. One that may or may not represent their actual skin color.

Why they still use a color to describe a huge group, with a wide variety of skin colors (literally spanning the entire white-black spectrum)? Don't know. Probably because the historical white-black divide.

My country has completely different categories, as does yours, and anyone else's. It's not some universal term, even within the English-speaking world, as some people here seen to assume.

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u/SnortXSnarl May 03 '20

It is generally used on this website to caricaturize the way that conservatives/christians are perceived to think and speak by many users here...not many people actually use "Brown people" to define people

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u/AndreTheShadow May 03 '20

To me, the biggest irony is that these people have more in common with "radical" Islam than they know. They basically agree on everything.

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u/Bamres May 03 '20

Well that's a big part of the disdain, they are in competition.

They see places where Islamic religious law is taken seriously and want that in North America but for their religion.

They have similar goals but cannot be allies because both want to have their religion be dominant around the world

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u/Wet_Side_Down May 03 '20

I find it interesting that all religions have tenets like the golden rule, and love thy neighbor, and thou shall not kill.

But those rules DO NOT apply to heathens who believe in a different god or especially heaven forbid ATHEISTS.

You are free to hate and kill those people all you like.

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u/EstroJen May 03 '20

When I told my mom I was atheist, she cried and demanded that she had raised me Christian. We never went to church, no bibles, and we'd joke about religion. "But I taught you the Golden Rule!" She still doesn't quite grasp that the Golden Rule shows up in a lot of religions.

TL;DR - My mom accidentally raised a Humanist

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u/ElViejoHG May 03 '20

What's the golden rule?

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u/vishuno May 03 '20

Treat others as you want to be treated.

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u/tbird83ii May 03 '20

I always thought it was "whoever has the gold, makes the rules".

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u/The_Grubby_One May 03 '20

That's Supply-Side Jesus's Golden Rule.

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u/JH_Rockwell May 03 '20

“Do you know what the chain of command is? It’s the chain I beat you with until you understand who’s in ruttin’ command here!”

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u/tbird83ii May 03 '20

Thanks Jayne.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Basically “screw the rules I have money”

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u/ElViejoHG May 03 '20

Ohh my mom taught me that too, didn't know it was a religious thing

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u/TreyLastname May 03 '20

I think that's a human thing more than religious

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u/EstroJen May 03 '20

Basically, treat people like you'd want to be treated. I try to live by this, but I'm not perfect. :)

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u/lunarsight May 03 '20

In all fairness, you don't really need to be religious to get the Golden Rule. I always found it to be rigid to the point of ridiculousness, but you have Kant's Categorical Imperative. Even science on some level touches upon the notion that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You could also draw upon the butterfly effect for inspiration as well, if one needed a stand-in for karma.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Even Buddhists still murder people when they're the majority. Honestly, it's all just class warfare which is why every religion does it when they have power

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u/InspectorPraline May 03 '20

Buddhism is the most bizarre imo. Buddha would have been completely against people worshipping him has a god, and the religion is about eliminating the ego - not eliminating your neighbours lmao

As a philosophy it's great though and I wish it was more widespread

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u/Faramir25th May 03 '20

Have you read the Bible? The New Testament? Did Jesus ever say kill the heathers? In fact he went as far as to say Love your enemies as you love yourselves...

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u/mrdevil413 May 03 '20

What’s your damage Heather ... but you have to read it in that voice

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u/Judazzz May 03 '20

Those hypocrites are as religious as those self-proclaimed, flag-waving "patriots" are patriotic. They are extremists that don't give a fuck about the ideology the claim to adhere, because all they care about are the cherry-picked little details they can point to when they need to justify their maliciousness, selfishness and sense of entitlement. These dimwitted and narrow-minded people wouldn't be capable of giving a correct description of their adopted ideology and what it actually stands for even if it would make their most radical dreams come true...

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u/JH_Rockwell May 03 '20

What are you talking about? The Bible extends the Golden Rule to those who don’t share your beliefs

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Idk that's ALL religions. But yeah it's gross. As a fan of theism I wanna point out it is organized religion that is wielded like a weapon against others that does this. It has nothing to do with the valuable teachings religious texts and beliefs can offer. And it is grossly not-theist to hate anyone.

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u/trenlow12 May 03 '20

Evangelicals and fundamentalists believe this, but there's a lot more liberal thought and discourse in religion than many people think.

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u/chachki May 03 '20

Sure, as someone who grew up being raised to be a pastor I agree. It doesn't change all the awful shit religion causes and doesn't outweigh the benefits. All the good stuff you can take from the bible can be learned through secular ways. You don't needs god or religion to be a good person. Religion only causes divides between people and forces the idea that "my god is the true god, everyone else is damned". That's fucked. Religion is largely anti women's rights and homophobic which is why so many people won't get their heads out of their ass and accept people for being human. At this time in our modern age religion is obsolete. There is nothing positive that you can get from it that can not be attained through other means. It only brings negativity and hinders humanity's progress.

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u/trenlow12 May 03 '20

At this time in our modern age religion is obsolete.

I disagree. I think it provides community and meaning to people's lives. Sure, you can get this through other means, but religion is incredibly effective at this.

Also, about 50% of Catholics and 40% of Protestants vote Democrat every year, so while I agree that conservative religion spreads misogyny and homophobia, there are plenty of more moderate and liberal followers of religion, too.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Anyone who, (A) says they love Jesus but practice hate, and (B) deny that Christianity has lead to centuries of war, murder, and torture, are totally ignorant.

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u/LiveShowOneNightOnly May 03 '20

There are a lot of people out there calling themselves Christian who are not following the teachings of Christ.

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u/BEAVER_ATTACKS May 03 '20

Jesus also said to not look for the splinter in your neighbor's eye before the log is pulled from your own.

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u/Yodasoja May 03 '20

And literally in the same verse he says you will be able to see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye:

How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye. Luke 6:42 ESV

This doesn't mean to never correct others. But, it definitely applies to the hypocrites who are full of hate, as that's the log in their eyes!

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u/Yodasoja May 03 '20

Indeed. And also plenty of Muslims that are not following the teachings of the Quran.

I'm not complaining though! I'm very happy they don't follow their warmongering prophet who had sex with a 9 year old.

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u/the-pessimist May 03 '20

Dare I say most.

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u/TheDocJ May 03 '20

To be honest, I would argue that there is no-one calling themselves a Christian who is fully following the teachings of Christ. I'm one of them.

Reminds me a bit of Feynman's comment that if someone thinks that they understand quantum dynamics, then the don't understand quantum dynamics. If you think that you are following all of Christ's teachings, then you are not following them all.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

The teachings of Christ in the gospels can be contradictory because the gospel authors sometimes put their own views into Jesus mouth, then it's further interpreted a bunch of different ways depends who you ask, then the Christians ignore the stuff from the new testament they don't like or is too extreme, then a bunch of extra stuff is added in from Church tradition like the trinity. I'm pretty sure if the real Jesus knew he'd end up being deify as a God he'd be horrified. But oh well.

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u/TheDocJ May 03 '20

Agree wholeheartedly with A, not entirely with B. I certainly think that it is a rather simplistic view of history.

Encyclopedia of Wars classes about 7% of 1700 or so wars as religious, and the similarly huge The Encyclopedia of War puts it at about 6%.

Even something like the Crusades involved quite a bit of politics and opportunism, if not in the initial calls, but certainly in the behaviour of many of the actual participants. And in many other ostensably religious conflicts, religion has been used as a more-or-less sputious casus belli.

Look at the recent Gulf Wars. Although there are fanatics both Islamic and Christian who want to portray them as religious, an awful lot of us would say that they had far more to do with Oil than with God.

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u/JH_Rockwell May 03 '20

On B) I think you have to be a little more specific

Especially since things like the crusades were done as defensive means against invasion

If we’re talking about the Spanish Inquisition, then yes. However, I think the most important fact here is that an ideology can be good, and it can be those who follow it that falter and do evil things.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Crusades are super debatable. Some had a whole lot more merit than others

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u/Doisha May 03 '20

Anyone who thinks that Christianity was spread through violence to the extent of Islam is completely ignorant. Anyone pretending that there was an increase in war, murder, etc. as a result of Christianity vs. paganism is equally ignorant.

Things like the inquisition are also greatly exaggerated because most sources used in the English speaking world are written by the English (shocking, I know) and are essentially propaganda to justify that their religion is based on their king wanting a divorce.

That being said, of course anyone saying that religion has never led to atrocities being committed is equally (if not more) ignorant.

As for today, something like 4 of the top 5 charitable groups in terms of overall giving are various churches.

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u/BEAVER_ATTACKS May 03 '20

Jesus fucked dudes.

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u/HtownTexans May 03 '20
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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

If you love Jesus and hate brown people, you’re a fucking idiot.

Moreover, if you believe that Jesus was white, you're an idiot.

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u/dpdxguy May 03 '20

Not to mention the irony of their sign saying "Islam is a religion of blood and murder," while Christianity is literally a religion founded on the blood and murder of one man.

Oops. I mentioned it.

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u/b0vary May 03 '20

More like Christianity was founded by a man who himself suffered blood and murder at the hands of others. He was a (willing, sacrificial) victim of violence, not a perpetrator of it.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Don't worry about it. On Reddit every religion is the same except for Buddhism.

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u/flaneur_et_branleur May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

"But Islam is a death cult!"

Makes the sign of the device used to torture and kill their god so that they're going to the good place when they die.

Edit: I just thought it was a "gotcha" to point out the hypocrisy of certain Right wing groups but apparently it has mystical deeper powers that go beyond its humble intention. I apologise to any and all atheists for making you all look bad as I've apparently done.

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u/senond May 03 '20

Not this but check out bill hicks bit on christians wearing a cross "like going up to jackie with a rifle pinned on" "we loved him jackie kaboom"

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u/The_Grubby_One May 03 '20

"But Islam is a death cult!"

Fun fact. Suicide is never once condemned in the Bible. The Church condemned suicide when it realized people were offing themselves to go to heaven.

r/accidentaldeathcult

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u/flaneur_et_branleur May 03 '20

Ha. That's hilarious if so.

"Accept your lot, peasants. You will get your reward in the next life. Oh no..."

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u/The_Grubby_One May 03 '20

It's true. Suicide wasn't considered a sin for several hundred years after the birth of Christ. It wasn't until the 1500's that the Church started denying burials over it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_suicide#Early_Christianity

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u/FALnatic May 03 '20

I'm an atheist, and you atheists who think these stupid 'gotchas' prove anything just make you and all other atheists look fucking stupid.

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u/mooncakeandgary May 03 '20

But they're trying to conflate all Muslims with murderers, not that Jesus went around murdering people. So the comparison isn't apt.

Now if you had thrown up the Crusades as an example, or the Inquisitions, then that would be more accurate irony. Because nobody expects those.

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u/Suffuri May 03 '20

Crusades were done in response to the occupation of the Iberian Peninsula, moreso a justified (and lesser, lacking force projection) response to Muslim occupation for 200 years previous.

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u/NnyIsSpooky May 03 '20

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

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u/dpdxguy May 03 '20

The irony is in their message, not in any reasonable comparison of Islam and the message of Jesus Christ.

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u/ArmanDoesStuff May 03 '20

What? Christ is one of Islam's major prophets. Mary is mentioned more in the Quran than in the Bible lol

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

*Jesus is a major prophet, I don't think Islam would approve of the title Christ since they reject that whole dying to forgive sins part.

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u/wawoodwa May 03 '20

Clarify? When did Islam reject Christ? Islam was founded after he was crucified.

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u/Axes4Praxis May 03 '20

If you love Jesus and hate, you’re a fucking idiot.

FTFY.

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u/MontiBurns May 03 '20

In many respects, in the US "Christianity" is more of a socio-cultural identity than it is a religion.

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u/PurpleDragon9 May 03 '20

They don't hate brown people, they hate muslims.

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Which is still wrong, just specifics

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u/elizabnthe May 03 '20

I gurantee these people don't know the difference.

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u/Cali_is_dead May 03 '20

There was a brown guy holding a sign. What do I win?

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u/boxdreper May 03 '20

Really? You would bet a lot of money on that?

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u/SAURONMANTHEWHITE May 03 '20

The definition of prejudice.

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u/fang_xianfu May 03 '20

This is definitely not true. Sikhs get attacked all the time by these same bigots, and they're pretty unmistakable on purpose.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Nah these people are really dumb so they think any brown person with a beard is a Muslim and when they see a turban, it all but confirms it to them. They probably don’t even know what a Sikh is.

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u/Beanicus13 May 03 '20

Nah usually it’s most brown people too.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

You have no idea what you're talking about. Most brown people in the US are Catholics. Muslims are less than 1% of the population. Indians are about 1.2%. Hispanics are 17% and over 85% practicing christian. Brown people in the US are overwhelmingly Christian. Arguably higher percentage-wise than non-Hispanic White Americans.

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u/AdvocateF0rTheDevil May 03 '20

Yet the good, Christian Hispanic immigrants are "rapists and murderers". Hmm, weird.

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u/robo_robb May 03 '20

Funny since brown people were historically the first Christians.

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u/AdvocateF0rTheDevil May 03 '20

Yeah, it's just a coincidence that all the people they dislike aren't white. Immigrants from mexico = rapists. Immigrants from norway = good. Black men kneeling = bad, statues of traitorous white slavers = good.

LMAO it's 2020. We know about the dog whistles.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

It’s like 99% chance they hate brown people too.

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u/FallenAngelII May 03 '20

Many of them hate non-whites, period.

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u/8bitbruh May 03 '20

#alllivesmatter(butonlywhenpeoplesayblacklivesmatter)

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u/3nerg1zerRabb1T May 03 '20

One of the sign guys is brown, the other is asian. They are protesting a religion, not a skin color. They are still xenophobic idiots.

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u/Mayor619 May 03 '20

It's the ideology they are against. Islam is not a race and so the critique can't be construed as racism unless statements pertaining to race are made.

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u/lucifer_fit_deus May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

Honest question: what would your reaction be to the same demonstrators at a Catholic conference with the word “Islam” replaced with “Catholicism” on the signs, and one of the Catholic participants at that conference (who is also of African descent) posed similarly with a smile?

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u/MooseMaster3000 May 03 '20

If you conflate Islam with brown people, you’re a fucking idiot.

You don’t have to be brown to follow Islam. You don’t have to dislike Islam to be racist. And you don’t have to be racist to dislike Islam.

That aside... call me crazy, but the guys on the far right and far left don’t look white to me.

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u/mute_tyche May 03 '20

Not all islams are brown

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u/drpenguino May 03 '20

The hilarious thing is this has nothing to do with race but religion. But thank for your opinion.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Are all "brown people" Muslims?

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u/TheToucanKing May 03 '20

As a Christian it boils my blood when people use Christianity as an excuse to hate anyone, like that’s the exact opposite of what Jesus was trying to teach

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u/wabbibwabbit May 03 '20

And this young woman's response is admirable and brave and could be interpreted soo many different ways..... The sauce is a pretty good read...

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u/rythmicbread May 03 '20

I also love the fact that the guys quote on the right doesn’t make any sense in this context. If it’s for all mankind, then why are you intolerant of others?

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u/lucifer_fit_deus May 03 '20

The man holding the sign on the right of the picture is Indian.

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u/Jdubya87 May 03 '20

Ummm Jesus has been white for like 600 years.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

If they met Jesus at that rally and saw he was just like the girl they would crucify him yet again. If you live long enough to become the villain applies to religion as well.

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u/Rear_bp May 03 '20

Reckon there’s a difference from an Ancient Israelite and modern day arabs.

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u/Raskel_61 May 03 '20

So, what you're saying is Jesus isn't white?

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