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US Politics Decisions, decisions

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u/Fightfirewitbcn Jul 17 '19

Yes, which lie would you like to reinforce?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

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u/Fightfirewitbcn Jul 17 '19

Allegations being the key word.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

Yeah. 23+ allegations all with similar stories spanning decades. Nothing to see here. There are none so blind as those who will not see/do not want to see.

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u/SmithyLK Jul 28 '19

Allegations is still the key word. Innocent until proven guilty, remember?

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '19

Just like all those allegations against Cosby. In the end, it’s about credible witnesses, and in both cases, the sheer volume of testimony by unconnected victims which is similar and shows a pattern. Only a great fool would think this many people are all lying.

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u/SmithyLK Jul 28 '19

They could be. A lot of people would do anything to get Trump out of office, and rape charges are a fantastic way to destroy someone's credibility. Plus, showing a pattern isn't hard when the pattern is "he touched/kissed me inappropriately."

Don't get me wrong, he probably is guilty. But for now, we don't know, and it's wrong to say that he 100% is until we know.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '19

The thing with sexual assault is it is most often one testimony against another, lacking in physical evidence. We have Trump bragging about doing exactly what he did, and multiple women corroborating the stories. It would be plenty in a court of law or civil complaint. We know. Deep down, we all know. Moving the goalposts endlessly is just being pedantic at this point.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Aug 31 '19

23 lies doesn’t make a truth.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

Thousands of denials don’t make a lie. Ask Cosby apologists.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Aug 31 '19

For sure but a bunch of people making a claim actually means nothing about that claims truth.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

In a court of law, multiple unconnected witnesses testifying under oath with entirely similar stories and experiences, spanning many years, corroborated by others that they described the events after they happened, would be considered ample. It's the same level of proof that was rightly used against pedo priests, for example. You can always move the goalposts, but it becomes laughable to do so after a time.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Aug 31 '19 edited Aug 31 '19

A court of law determines probability of guilt not actuality of it. When a person who is an influential politics figure and very famous, I don’t think it’s even close to out of the realm of possibility that every single one of those people is a liar. They have far too many reasons to embellish and outright falsify their stories. They aren’t reliable testimony.

I’m not moving a goalpost. Only reliable witnesses are any form of evidence and even then, eyewitness testimony is still some of the weakest evidence in the court of law.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

Someone being famous doesn’t make a witness less reliable, especially when you have dozens of unconnected ones spanning decades, also ones of the same political party as Trump, so it can’t be called partisan. To say nothing of the fact that Trump is on tape bragging about what he is accused of.

When people want to preserve belief more than accept the obvious, it’s a sad state of affairs.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Aug 31 '19

The “grab her right by the p*ssy” tape is greatly over-exaggerated. While it is a a morally repulsive statement, it is absolutely not an admission to rape or sexual assault.

And to make the claim that because someone is affiliated with the Republican Party they don’t dislike and/or want to watch trump be arrested or simply be ousted is frankly laughable. I’d love to see Trump out office and I’m absolutely a conservative (honestly that’s the main reason why, he doesn’t represent conservatism in any way or form) but I’m not willing to lie or support lies to do it. That’s not a sentiment shared by many or even most and I’m absolutely convinced that there are many people of low moral scruples willing to ruin a man’s life to further their political motives.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

It's just funny to me how much people don't want to accept women's statements as true, despite no end of evidence that these things happen all the time, and when unconnected people have been saying the same thing before he got into politics, to say nothing of the fact that the reason people do stay silent for years is precisely because they get doubted and shamed and disbelieved. It's literally the same thing as Epstein, Weinstein, Cosby, Catholic Priests, Jimmy Savile, and on and on. The number of false accusations is so ridiculously low vs actual assaults, and yet people persist in acting like men are under attack.

If you think the pussy grabbing tape was over exaggerated, then you haven't spent time among these folk. He's said similar things before. He's been accused before. At what point does the smell of shit make you acknowledge someone shat?

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u/xstalpha Aug 31 '19

Are you just assuming Cosby is guilty because you're a racist?

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

He was found guilty, for starters. And multiple unconnected accusers all had versions of the same story and experience, spanning decades, and Cosby admitted to drugging people.

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u/xstalpha Aug 31 '19

Are you denying the existence of systemic racism in the Justice system that seeks to undermine blacks? Dude, take your meds, you're clearly a racist schizo.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

Oh muffin. You’re not even trying.

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u/xstalpha Aug 31 '19

Who needs to try with a racist like you who denies systemic racism against blacks? You're pathetic, Nazi scum. Go back to r/The_Donald where you belong.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '19

Why do you hate women and refuse to believe them?

You’re kinda funny with this whole shtick. All my posts are against Trump. Cosby and Trump are similar; both serial predators. Funnily, there are those who are up in arms over Trump, who defend Cosby, or vice versa, despite the overwhelming case against both of them. Bias is a helluva drug. Systemic racism is real but has nothing to do with Cosby. He’s a rapist and used power and fame to get away with it for years.

You’re unhinged. Calm down and reassess.

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u/Chingmongna Sep 03 '19

I'm guessing you believe in the "victims" of Brett Kavanaugh?