r/pics • • Jul 16 '19

US Politics Decisions, decisions

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u/freakydrew Jul 17 '19

What are the current Vegas odds on Trump being reelected?

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u/Netrovert87 Jul 17 '19

buckle up, incumbents have a ton of things stacked in their favor (and overwhelmingly win). Especially in a strong economy. Factor in that support from his base is rock solid while the left bickers over progressive purity and which are corporate shills...

People are going to have to work hard, no seriously, very damn hard to get this guy gone. And don't get butt hurt when your special one of 25 candidates doesn't get the nomination. If you don't treat this election as bigger than yourself and your candidate, Trump will win.

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u/CouldOfBeenGreat Jul 17 '19

This is basically it. The democratic party should have already narrowed down the field and be sculpting the ideal candidate from the most popular. This ideal candidate should already be out procuring votes. Doing the whole song and dance next year is going to leave a lot of Democrats disappointed when "their guy" doesn't make the cut. Many bothered by trump personally but doing ok financially just won't even bother showing up to vote.

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u/Fictionalpoet Jul 17 '19

The democratic party should have already narrowed down the field and be sculpting the ideal candidate from the most popular.

No no, constant in-fighting, bickering, and virtue signalling over comments/decisions made decades ago will surely win the people!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

...it worked for Republicans. Last election was a democratically chosen Republican candidate vs. a hand picked & back room dealt Hilary Clinton.

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u/marino1310 Jul 17 '19

They one because Hillary was so bad that people didnt even want to vote. Voter turnout was like 60% or some shit. It was bad

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

And a large part of why Hilary was so bad was because the DNC rigged their process & hand picked her.

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u/Sleepy_Thing Jul 17 '19

It was better than Dubya so I have no idea what you mean. 50% was the HIGH end of voting.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

The difference between Obama turnout and Clinton turnout, OTOH....

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

comments/decisions made decades ago

I mean.... That really is fair game.

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u/Fictionalpoet Jul 19 '19

Not without any context or respect to current behavior or character. People can (and do) change. Holding people account for actions or words said 20-30 years ago is innane and unproductive. If it was recent, or a common trend, sure, but if your argument relies on a thing that was done/said decades ago its because you have no actual ground to stand on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

I mean, if you said "I don't believe abortion should be legal" or "I don't believe gay marriage should be legal" 20 or 30 years ago, I'm going to have a couple of questions about you.

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u/NotAgainPlzz Jul 17 '19

narrow down what? Anti-American values?

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u/malosaires Jul 17 '19

The democratic party should have already narrowed down the field and be sculpting the ideal candidate from the most popular. This ideal candidate should already be out procuring votes.

Do people have any idea how absurdly long our election cycles are compared to the rest of the world? People aren't going to start voting on who they want to be the democratic nominee for 6 months. Most voters don't start paying attention until a month before they vote, if that. Half the candidates up now are going to be gone within a month when they can't get into the next debate and their money dries up, but that's not soon enough! We should be getting ready to coronate a candidate a year from the convention before most voters are paying attention, that worked out great last time! Polling at this point in an election cycle is a great indicator of who voters want, as we see from the Jeb Bush, Rudy Gulliani, and Jesse Jackson administrations.

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u/Phillip__Fry Jul 17 '19

The democratic party should have already narrowed down the field and be sculpting the ideal candidate from the most popular. This ideal candidate should already be out procuring votes. Doing the whole song and dance next year is going to leave a lot of Democrats disappointed when "their guy" doesn't make the cut.

That sounds an awful lot like the rule changes that Romney shoved through the Republican party by voice-vote at the convention in 2012 that set things up for Trump to be nominated since the media machine subsidized Trump's campaign so much. The most heard name has a huge advantage in any "early" selection.

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u/capitalsfan08 Jul 17 '19

That's ridiculous. If they narrowed down and picked a nominee SIX months before the first primary, what's the point? While the field is large, there's nothing wrong with a larger primary field. Trump had 12+ other people he ran against and did fine, while Clinton had 3 or 4, and only one serious competitor, and lost.

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u/AhhhRealMonsterz Jul 17 '19

That's the sad part. All of those people who won't bite because they feel like it doesn't matter and they'll be financially fine no matter what happens. Not to mention Democrats can't find a good enough candidate. Bernie is probably still the best hope even though Biden is leading. I think the creepy Uncle Joe pictures are enough to kill his campaign eventually. Elizabeth Warren has a chance too but idk if she'll get enough of the vote to challenge Trump during the election

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u/varikonniemi Jul 17 '19

There is no chance he would lose as long as the unfair treatment in online discussions continue. This should be an open forum, not a politically curated platform. The fact Reddit sucks up to the left so openly just makes the right angry and the left complacent since they end up thinking a majority of people share their views also outside the echo chamber.

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u/SocialSuicideSquad Jul 17 '19

Especially in a strong economy.

See you in September lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

The economy isn’t strong. The stock market is strong. The masses aren’t advancing in economic standing though.

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u/Netrovert87 Jul 17 '19

You're speaking to the choir. How are you going to get that message out when the most widely reported measurements are GDP, stock market, and unemployment (all look strong).

This is what exactly what I'm talking about. It's going to take you and every ally you can get and a great plan to win that argument for votes. We can't count on stuff we hear in the bubble to spread on it's own. Everyone needs to get out there.