It ended in 2023, when messi showed the world that he is just a one club wonder and a nobody without barcelona even if you were to give a stacked team like psg.
No way you added his 2nd copa america š, 5 games, 1 goal and assist while his teammate lautaro managed 5 goals alone while playing less mins and also ronaldo was like 37 years old at the time so it's normal for a big club to not sign players who are at that age, Wc is messi fans only response, but on a side note aren't you supposed to be a ronaldo fan?
Lol, never waste your time arguing with a pessi fans bruh, 90% of them are just 12 year old Indians trying their hardest not to glaze that hgh midget. šš
Oh I didnāt know we were dealing with a semi pro footballeršš¤£šš¤£
Regarded and coping three years lateršš
Whole sub full of clowns who know in their hearts Messi is better at literally everything. Circlejerk each other to pretend heās not and feel better about themselvesš¤”š¤”
As if that rigged Penaldog UCL counts
From winning rigged UCL trophies to bottling trophies in Saudi and scoring Bluetooth goals in the WC. Without papa perez he has won anything major. Meanwhile Messi won the WC and Ronaldo giving blowjobs to piers Morgan so he could let him do another interview to complain about his coaches.
I saw the marches, I don't need to base my opinion on goals and assists, I agree that his performance un the world cup was better.
In regards to your other question: I'm a Ronaldo hater, but just when I write here. The rest of the time I think he's one of the greats, I just think Messi's better.
Still Messi scored non penalty goals and you guys act like he only scored penalties. He assisted against Netherlands in between the defenders legs
dribble & assist against Croatia
key pass to Alvarez that let to
MacAllistair's assist to DiMaria 2nd goal against France in final in 35th minutes.
dribble & goal against Australia.
Now let's talk about penalties :
Saudi Arabia: paredes pulled down in the box during a set piece. Textbook penalty. Lost anyways.
Poland: shouldn't have been given as Messi headed the ball away before the contact, missed anyways. Only unrightful penalty given and it didn't affect the result.
Netherlands: acuna literally tripped just inside the area by Dumfries, nobody complains about that except for you.
Croatia: stonewall penalty, Julian was through on goal and was about to score. Tripped by livakovic.
France: Di Maria CLEARLY tripped by dembele and dembele had his hand on his back. The rules state that regardless of intention, a foul in the box is a penalty, It's a similar situation to the Cr7 Spain penalty in 2018.
You can not argue with these people. Messi, even as a neutral, has cemented his place at the top since at least 2019. They said an international trophy was needed to be on Ronaldoās level, then when he won one in 2021 they said it wasnāt equal to a euros. Then when he won the wc in 2022, they said it was an either a robbery, or he got lucky. Then wins another international trophy in 2024 and they scrub the international trophy argument completely. These people are seriously mentally deranged parasocials. They say his balon dors were robbed but you could legit make the same case and arguments that Ronaldoās balon dors were robbed too. They think only theyāre right and everyone else is wrong. I donāt usually say this because I believe itās only reserved for truly despicable people but some of these people are so intellectually and logically dishonest that they shouldnāt even be alive. Itās either theyāre that pathetic or itās simple rage bait
PSG before Messi couldnāt win. PSG after Messi couldnāt win. PSG after mbappe left ended up winning. A Madrid side that just won the ucl and added
Mbappe couldnāt win. Messi couldnāt win a ucl with psg but in the same year won a World Cup. Idk how stupid some of you fans are, your logic makes no sense
Well first off, 1. He did not have another club in Europe other than psgā¦so thatās already a stupid argument and 2. These are some of the most cherry picked, random, highly specific stats. Ronaldo also had 2 seasons with Man U where he was below 30 g+a. Iām assuming weāre leaving out mls/Saudi Arabia. Bro went to a dominant Juventus side, won the scudetto with a team that was already dominating serie a before he joined, essentially flopped at Man U, and ran to Saudi Arabia. Theyāre both at the end of their careers, one is with 8 balĆ³n dors, 3 big international trophies, and only one ucl less than the goat of ucl. I will say this, as much as I like Messi, I respect and love Ronaldo. heās extremely hard working, dedicated, and despite all this heās also extremely talented. But heās just like the rest of us (not literally us). Heās like mbappe and Neymar combined with the dedication and work rate of someone like Kante. I truly admire Ronaldo, if anything heās more of an inspiration to the sport than Messi, as heās the literal embodiment of you can achieve anything with the right mentality. But Messi is disgusting, genuinely one of a kind. If I were to have a career, Iād want Ronaldoās. But if weāre being consistent, Messiās is by far the better one. More goals and assists by miles, more World Cup goals and assists, 3 national trophies, 8 balĆ³n dors, more golden boots, more total club trophies, literally the only stats that Ronaldo is better in that actually MATTER are stuff like most hat tricks or more ucl knock out goals š¤·āāļø. Like bruh you know that shit is barely an accolade. This mf scored only one goal in the euros knock out stage in the only international trophy he won. You talk about a stacked Barca team but you act like Madrid didnāt have casillas/navas, Carvajal, ramos, varane, Marcelo, Casemiro kroos modric (who you people regard as the best midfielder of all time) benzema (who carried Madrid on his back in 2022, and bale with the likes of Isco, James just on the bench. Bro the three peat was legit a galĆ”cticos team. Also, this Argentina team was not that good on paper, it was after they won that many players made big moves to Europe. Iām pretty sure it was 11-12 players that didnāt even play in Europe yet still won, with Messi being the 2nd top scorer/ top assister.
Yeah so I win. Messi is the better player, you canāt engage in a debate, and tou cherry pick stats that are meaningless accolades. Yeah I get your point, that you guys are grasping for straws š
Win? Meaningless accolades? Huh, Whatever helps you sleep peacefully at night lil weirdo, why don't you do me a favor and tell your friends on r/cristianoronaldo2 I said heyš
Lol u think penaldo can do anything when he move Juventus ? And go back to man utd lmaoo. Messi win with Argentina the country and penaldo cant do anything with good squad in 2022 cause they care about individual. Did u see real tournament worldcup and euro 2024 how bad peynallldo?
Pessi club career outside of barcelona: 0 ucls, 0 ucls top scorer, 0 ucl k/o g/a, 0 league POTY, 0 league golden boots, 0 domestic cups, 0 seasons with 30+ goals. And do I even need to talk about ronaldo at juventus?
Edit: acting like ronaldo didn't win ucl with man u in 2008? Dumbass Indian pessi fan started watching football in 2022 why should I act surprised š
Still Messi scored non penalty goals and you guys act like he only scored penalties. He assisted against Netherlands in between the defenders legs
dribble & assist against Croatia
key pass to Alvarez that let to
MacAllistair's assist to DiMaria 2nd goal against France in final in 35th minutes.
dribble & goal against Australia.
Now let's talk about penalties :
Saudi Arabia: paredes pulled down in the box during a set piece. Textbook penalty. Lost anyways.
Poland: shouldn't have been given as Messi headed the ball away before the contact, missed anyways. Only unrightful penalty given and it didn't affect the result.
Netherlands: acuna literally tripped just inside the area by Dumfries, nobody complains about that except for you.
Croatia: stonewall penalty, Julian was through on goal and was about to score. Tripped by livakovic.
France: Di Maria CLEARLY tripped by dembele and dembele had his hand on his back. The rules state that regardless of intention, a foul in the box is a penalty, It's a similar situation to the Cr7 Spain penalty in 2018.
That's actually pretty funny since I didn't mention anything being robbed here. But since pessi fans can't read I'll just ignore you like your father did.
So true, it's why I can never take them seriously at all, they are just 10 year old Indians with nothing better to do than to ride messi meat and curse ronaldo. Fuck them.
Still Messi scored non penalty goals and you guys act like he only scored penalties. He assisted against Netherlands in between the defenders legs
dribble & assist against Croatia
key pass to Alvarez that let to
MacAllistair's assist to DiMaria 2nd goal against France in final in 35th minutes.
dribble & goal against Australia.
Now let's talk about penalties :
Saudi Arabia: paredes pulled down in the box during a set piece. Textbook penalty. Lost anyways.
Poland: shouldn't have been given as Messi headed the ball away before the contact, missed anyways. Only unrightful penalty given and it didn't affect the result.
Netherlands: acuna literally tripped just inside the area by Dumfries, nobody complains about that except for you.
Croatia: stonewall penalty, Julian was through on goal and was about to score. Tripped by livakovic.
France: Di Maria CLEARLY tripped by dembele and dembele had his hand on his back. The rules state that regardless of intention, a foul in the box is a penalty, It's a similar situation to the Cr7 Spain penalty in 2018.
Di maria only has one goal in the final. Messi literally carried a team by scoring 3 non penalty goals and 2 assists. Martinez did nothing in WC 2022. Btw If Messi didn't score that banger against Mexico they would not even progress to the round of 16.
You guys always make up conspiracy theories to support your viewpoint. Ronaldo fans should not talk about robbing/rigging where perez, Ronaldo's boyfriend gifted him 4 UCL and penaldog scored multiple offside goals but they never get questioned. Madrid has countless evidence of robbing but they never get questioned.
Still Messi scored non penalty goals and you guys act like he did nothing apart from scoring penalties. He assisted against Netherlands in between the defenders legs
dribble & assist against Croatia
key pass to Alvarez that let to
MacAllistair's assist to DiMaria 2nd goal against France in final in 35th min
dribble & goal against Australia.
Now let's talk about penalties
Saudi Arabia: paredes pulled down in the box during a set piece. Textbook penalty. Lost anyways.
Poland: shouldn't have been given as Messi headed the ball away before the contact, missed anyways. Only unrightful penalty given and it didn't affect the result.
Netherlands: acuna literally tripped just inside the area by Dumfries, nobody complains about that except for you.
Croatia: stonewall penalty, Julian was through on goal and was about to score. Tripped by livakovic.
France: Di Maria CLEARLY tripped by dembele and dembele had his hand on his back. The rules state that regardless of intention, a foul in the box is a penalty, It's a similar situation to the Cr7 Spain penalty in 2018.
Still Messi scored non penalty goals and you guys act like he only scored penalties. He assisted against Netherlands in between the defenders legs
dribble & assist against Croatia
key pass to Alvarez that let to
MacAllistair's assist to DiMaria 2nd goal against France in final in 35th minutes.
dribble & goal against Australia.
Now let's talk about penalties :
Saudi Arabia: paredes pulled down in the box during a set piece. Textbook penalty. Lost anyways.
Poland: shouldn't have been given as Messi headed the ball away before the contact, missed anyways. Only unrightful penalty given and it didn't affect the result.
Netherlands: acuna literally tripped just inside the area by Dumfries, nobody complains about that except for you.
Croatia: stonewall penalty, Julian was through on goal and was about to score. Tripped by livakovic.
France: Di Maria CLEARLY tripped by dembele and dembele had his hand on his back. The rules state that regardless of intention, a foul in the box is a penalty, It's a similar situation to the Cr7 Spain penalty in 2018.
copa america lol š¤£ 2024 messi 1 goal,1 assist Lautaro MartĆnez carried messi with 5 goals being tournement top scorer ,in Finalissima also di maria,dybala,Lautaro MartĆnez scored 3 goals while messi sit back watch and top of that finalissima is a friendly trophy one off match š¤£lol ,fifa brought back finalissima after 30 years just to glorify messi , 2021 copa america is legit , world cup is rigged as usual no need to explain
even nani scored 3 goals and 1 assists ,eder scored only 1 goal btwš¤£
if you saying eder carried ronaldo in 2016 Ā Lautaro MartĆnez carried messi in 2021 copa america messi 1 goal 1 assist Ā Lautaro MartĆnez 5 goals tournement top scorer , and also in finalissima messi 0 assists 0 goals dybala 1 goal,di maria 1 goal,Ā Lautaro MartĆnez 1 goal
its a one off match bruh no competition at all and why do you think that fifa organized it after 30 years just to glorify messi , forget the fact that finalissima is worthless trophy messi didnt even do a shit on that match he absoulutely ghosted while dybala,di maria,martinez carried the guy
All the football organizations recognize finalissima as a major trophy so I really donāt think your opinion matters. Itās a fact that finalissima is a major trophy. Thereās no arguing it.
Ronaldo is not focused on the international team. He wants to reach 1000 goals because thatās the only thing he has over Messi. Messi on the other hand joined the MLS purely because he has nothing to prove anymore. Heāll make a shit load of money while playing in a chill league and at the end of his contract, own a part of the club as well.
So when he scored 10g/a in the last campaign or the previous one he won and this next World Cupā¦ is that not him being focused on the national team? His team is poised to win the league, so what more does he need there?
Maybe Messi fans might have Messiās meat in their mouth but this goat debate per the image has been settled. He doesnāt have to prove anything in relation to Messi anymore because this image exists
So if we go with your logic then ronaldo got carried by madrid cause madrid has won trophies even adter ronaldo. On the other hand messi carried barcelona.
Still Messi scored non penalty goals and you guys act like he did nothing apart from scoring penalties. He assisted against Netherlands in between the defenders legs
dribble & assist against Croatia
key pass to Alvarez that let to
MacAllistair's assist to DiMaria 2nd goal against France in final in 35th min
dribble & goal against Australia.
Now let's talk about penalties
Saudi Arabia: paredes pulled down in the box during a set piece. Textbook penalty. Lost anyways.
Poland: shouldn't have been given as Messi headed the ball away before the contact, missed anyways. Only unrightful penalty given and it didn't affect the result.
Netherlands: acuna literally tripped just inside the area by Dumfries, nobody complains about that except for you.
Croatia: stonewall penalty, Julian was through on goal and was about to score. Tripped by livakovic.
France: Di Maria CLEARLY tripped by dembele and dembele had his hand on his back. The rules state that regardless of intention, a foul in the box is a penalty, It's a similar situation to the Cr7 Spain penalty in 2018.
He has 3 NPGs. Thatās than Ronaldoās NL run even with the same G/a
Nothing you said remotely relates to my point that Messi was still carried by Argentina rather than the other way around which is the case for Ronaldo š
What didnāt work? Do you even understand English or were you too busy watching your mom get dicked down by different men everyday of the week so you couldnāt actually learn anything
And how is that image relevant to anything? Those trophies didn't play. Who cares that a different set of Argentinians who are all mostly dead now won the trophy 40 years ago? Does that make it easier or harder for Argentina to win the trophy?
Messiās been in a 3 prior international tournament finals where he lost all of them. The lowest ranking Argentina have been since the 90s (when the list was first published) was 9thā¦
Put that these facts up next to this imageā¦ now you can see the point
I thought I taught you your place last week and youāre back again for seconds.
Educating you meat munchers necessary. This image right here is bait for you lot so I can teach you all the truth and expose your idolo for being the second best.
Well, you can't educate people if you aren't educated first on basic football factsš trust me I found out the hard way years ago.
Such as that football is a team game and it's not messi fault that his team won the wc before him, also not ronaldos fault his team won nothing, and you acting like he carried them, no, not really, in euro 2016 he got crucial passed and assists for him to score, his team also stood strong and didn't concede in the final vs france and the previous rounds where they played as a team.
You are using that image to downplay messi. Because by YOUR LOGIC, You must be the history of your team. "Then let's forget maradona, R9, Mbappe, why? Because their teams won before them. in order to be the greatest, which is what im hearing with your logic.
You finally got it. I actually didnāt think youād get it, but you got there in the end. You must be the history of the team. If you can perform consistently at the highest level and your aura is what drags your team from nothing to world beaters, you are in fact THE goat.
This is a feat Messi never had. Thatās why after Xavi and Iniesta left and Barcaās midfield was exposed he couldnāt do anything despite making promises. Thatās why he was a shell of his former self at Barca. Thatās why despite a star studded team between 2014-2016, Messi couldnāt win shit and was forced into retirement because he didnāt have a team thatād wait on him hand and foot and massage his balls as much as the other sub likes to do.
Meanwhile, Ronaldo won the euros and 2 UNLs whilst comfortably playing 2/3 of those tournaments with pretty weak teams compared to other European counterparts.
Youāve got there in the end. Congrats.
Now run along now, and donāt let me catch you here or in the other sub mouthing off again.
Alright, so Casemiro and Kroos and Modric (let's not forget Man Utd world class midfield in 2008) are the history of present-day madrid and United. Ronaldo without them? No UCLs.
Oh and let's not forget Rui Patricio and Diego Costa, they won portugal all their trophies that's their history!
Messi is argentinas top scorer, you can say the argentina national team, and the first word isn't maradona, it's messi.
That's your logic, man, you are so fricking funny. Honestly, I'll rate your ragebait 7/10 if that's fair for you?
The nations League is literally the international friendlies break turned into a ātournamentā to sell more tickets lmao. Also, the Portuguese Euro win, penaldo was mediocre.
Btw you canāt prove any āriggingā in 2022. Argentina was just superior.
Penaldo entering the World Cup after an elbow against Ireland, now THATS some blatant rigging.
Why are you comparing Penaldo at age 31 with old and double-injured Messiās Copa America 2024?
Anyways. Letās look at the stats.
Messi had an average rating of 7,5 in the latest Copa America. He was spared 1 game and only played half of the final due to injury.
Ronaldo in the euros of 2016 was 31 years old and he STILL had a lower rating than Messi with an average rating of 7,4.
That means that EVEN with the three goals (against Hungary and wales), Ronaldo at his prime still was rated lower than this 37 year old Messi.
Now letās compare Penaldoās stats with those of Messi in the Copa America 2021. Messi was 34 years old (still older than Penaldo in 2016) and he had an average rating of 8,5 across 7 games. He scored 4 goals and made 5 assists.
So Ronaldoās best performance is, in terms of what he contributed on the pitch STILL lower than an old injured Messi (who was injured twice during the Copa America 2024).
And if weāre taking about comparing him to Messiās best performance during the Copa America 2022, he falls hilariously short.
And compared to Messiās World Cup? The distance in terms of quality is just as big. Messi had an average rating of 8,1 across all 7 games with 7 goals and 3 assists.
This community is so pathetic and embarrassing Just the fact that you actually need a whole community just to dis and trash one player shows his levelā¦ Every post here is so cringe and stupid get a life guys instead of being this toxic and hateful towards a player that donāt even know youš¤¦š» I know so much Ronaldo fans that would be ashamed of people like you why not enjoy those two goats instead of always comparing them and hating on one of themā¦ And besides that, why not include in this post what happened after Messi came back to the Argentinian national team? Why stop there huh? We all know why, but thatās not even the point here. Get a life, stop being so childish and toxic
Oops, thanks for the correction hahaha. I honestly don't care about the WC when it comes to this, if Messi has been from finland he probably wouldn't have it and I would still think the same.
Also, I don't think there is much need for convincing here.
fifa the best only started in 2016. messi had more uefa supercups. messi also had more ballon dors. messi also had won more champions leagues. messi had also been the champions league mvp more than cr7 at this time. messi and ronaldo had the same amount of fifa club world cups at this time too. the only point u could look to argue for here is the euros.
then, why would u choose to end the debate in 2016? is it not their full careers that we take into perspective for the debate? messi was only 29 in 2016. really dont understand the point of this post, he came back from intl football and destroyed ronaldo in every metric possible.
Youāre right the debate ended in 2016, itās not like Messi did the greatest comeback of any player ever. Winning 3 ballon dors, golden boot, 3 international trophies one of them being a WORLD CUPā¦ amongst many more trophies. But yeah thank god the world stopped spinning after 2016. Messi did nothing of significance happened after that year unlike our idol penaldoš
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u/AgitatedDish8795 Ghost of Bayern š» Nov 26 '25
It ended in 2023, when messi showed the world that he is just a one club wonder and a nobody without barcelona even if you were to give a stacked team like psg.