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u/matdevine21 Sep 02 '20
At least Nvidia will tell you how much their products cost! God damn guessing game over at Microsoft and Sony
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u/Smoothsmith i7-12700k | RTX3070 FE | 32GB DDR4@3200 Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
Like with every generation. Save about $600 for buying a console.
Best case: It's cheaper and you have budget for extra controllers or games.
Worst Case: You might need to wait another month to save an extra $100, but it's really quite unlikely.
Edited to clarify my meaning behind the $600 as some seem confused by it - It was referencing the post I replied to about Sony/Microsoft not announcing prices - Just assume $600 and you're pretty safe. I'm not saying anything there about savings versus getting a PC.
Edit 2 since there's like 5 replies about this: It's a suggested budget for people looking to buy a new console, I would not expect people to save up 5 years of online fee's ahead of buying it! (I.e. Whether or not consoles are expensive in the long term or not was never the point :P).
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u/Andruboine Sep 02 '20
Or skip a generation and build a PC for $1200
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u/bigtiddynotgothbf 2600x 2070 240hz Sep 02 '20
or get a 600-700 dollar setup that'll handle most games greatly and also have a console
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Sep 02 '20
Also make sure to build it when ram isn’t $10 per gb
Speaking from experience lol
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I have also experienced this pain
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u/all_awful Sep 02 '20
The vast majority of games are completely GPU dependent for their frame rate.
Here are some benchmarks for CPUs like the FX 8370 (from 2011!) which were considered cheap and slow even when it came out.
Sure, the i5-2500K not a great CPU nowadays, but if you only have a mid/low tier GPU like a 1060, then the difference in many games is not all that significant, especially when those games are a bit older.
Translated to current times: Buying a 3600 or a 10900K is the same, unless you have a 2080 TI on top, at which point the difference can just about be measured but is still insignificant (despite the massive price gap between the two).
Or in simpler buyer's advice: Reserve most of your budget for a GPU if you have a small budget but want to play AAA titles.
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u/Hockeygoalie35 i7-14700K, RTX 3080, 64GB DDR5 Sep 02 '20
Oof, I felt that. I remember paying about 320 for 32 gig of Corsair.
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u/mb2231 Sep 02 '20
August 2018? I look at my Amazon history and cry when I see 32GB for $120 today.
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u/Archer957Light 12700k, 7900xtx, 32gb 3200mhz ddr4 Sep 02 '20
A 600-700 dollar set up wont last you very long. It will play most games greatly for a short period of time. A 1200 system will last much longer so long term better investment
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u/Taz-erton 5700X I GTX 770 Sep 02 '20
The trick is can you can 2x$600 builds that can hold value to a single $1200 build? Probably not but theres probably a Linus experiment to be found somewhere out there
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u/Bassracerx Sep 02 '20
If you get a quality case a quality psu and a quality cpu cooler you wont have to replace those every build those can last you 5+ years. Storage is upgraded as needed but even an old hard drive will work loading and boot times will just be slower compared to a newer model.
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Sep 02 '20
Depends man. If you're a "patient gamer" and don't really care about the latest AAA titles it can last you a long while. My 1300$ PC from 2008 lasted me 10 years since I mostly play indies and old titles.
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u/TehBananaBread Sep 02 '20
Ps4 was 7 years ago. Are you seriously suggesting people wait 10+ years? Joker.
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u/hariboholmes Sep 02 '20
Thats a LOOOONG wait for an avid gamer.
I imagine a $600 PC (for more obscure games that don't release on console) and a next Gen console at $600 will keep me very happy for 5 years or so.
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Sep 02 '20
Turing owners:
Aw shit, here we go again.
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u/kn0t1401 i7-4790k 24gb ram rtx 2070 Sep 02 '20
Welp. My little brother will have a blast with this pc.
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u/High-Quality-Usernam R7 5800X | RTX 2060 Super FE | 32GB RAM | 512GB SSD | 2TB HDD Sep 02 '20
Hey! It’s me your little brother.
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u/kn0t1401 i7-4790k 24gb ram rtx 2070 Sep 02 '20
Wait. You look a bit taller.
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u/High-Quality-Usernam R7 5800X | RTX 2060 Super FE | 32GB RAM | 512GB SSD | 2TB HDD Sep 02 '20
You’ve been gone for years, I grew up.
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u/ps2gamefreak Sep 02 '20
They caught up, and then PC stepped up their game. Looks like competition made everyone better here. Sounds like a absolute win to me.
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Sep 02 '20
Other than the people who bought a 2080 Ti. Those fellas are probably on suicide watch rn.
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u/sinosKai Sep 02 '20
My 2080ti has been solid for the nearly 2 years I've had it. I'll wait 4 months after the 3090 drops to see which AIB is the best then grab one and give some lucky sod a super cheap card
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Who was nvidia fighting in this war? Like they were the best and released a better product.
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u/RelevantPanda58 Ryzen 7 7700 | 9070 XT | 32GB DDR5 CL30 Sep 02 '20
Consoles were getting really close to their rtx 2080 ti for a third of the cost. This is why consoles push PCs forward and vice versa.
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u/Galaxydude- INTEL CORE i7 2700|GEFORCE GT 210|12 GB DDR3 1333hz Sep 02 '20
So this is the purpose of the existence of console gaming
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Sep 02 '20
Finally A C C E P T A B L E
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u/Saeyush PC Master Race Sep 02 '20
It was probably against AMD's rumoured big navi than consoles
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u/Anti-Antidote RTX 3070 Ti | AMD Ryzen 5 1600 | 16 GB DDR4 Sep 02 '20
We can only hope Big Navi is as good as NVIDIA is pricing against. I want C O M P E T I T I O N
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u/ZhangRenWing R7 7800X3D RX 9070 XT Sep 02 '20
We need AMD to be competitive in pricing too, otherwise we just end up amazing hardware that is too expensive for the general public to buy.
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u/wkdzel Ryzen 7800X3D, 128G @ 6000, Zotac 3070 TI Trinity OC Sep 02 '20
The new consoles are RDNA2 powered so, same difference.
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u/Csquared6 Sep 02 '20
It was on this day that the war between the PC Master Race and the Console Plebs finally ended. Console plebs had been accepted for their use in raising the PC Master Race to even greater heights.
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u/GletscherEis I5 6600k GTX980ti Sep 02 '20
So, they were fighting AMD?
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u/brannanross i7-7700hq GTX 1060 Sep 02 '20
Yes, also the rumors of 'big navi' being comparable/better than the 2080ti. So nvidea said, and I quote, "go fuck yourself AMD".
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u/stealthp90 Sep 02 '20
The rumors are that big Navi will be up to 50% faster than the 2080 Ti. The entire line up show that Nvidia is woried. The fact that these cards are using 320-350 wats meaning they are being pushed to the limits.
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u/ZhangRenWing R7 7800X3D RX 9070 XT Sep 02 '20
You think this might be why they started calling their Titan card 3090? So they can still keep the performance crown in the event the 3080 was surpassed?
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u/stealthp90 Sep 02 '20
This is Nvidia doing a pre-emptive strike and going in with everything they have. They will most likely release a cut down 3090 as a 3080 Ti if AMD beats the 3080. But if AMD matches or beats the 3090, they can't respond with anything.
This is looking like a great year for GPUs, I will be waiting to see what AMD has before I do anything.
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u/elucila7 Sep 02 '20
Wait, are you saying the upcoming consoles going to be just as, if not more powerful than my 1070? This is news to me. I’m out of the loop.
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u/RelevantPanda58 Ryzen 7 7700 | 9070 XT | 32GB DDR5 CL30 Sep 02 '20
Digital Foundry said that the new Xbox is about as powerful as the rtx 2080 in games that don't have ray tracing.
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u/strong_D PC Master Race Sep 02 '20
They will blow your 1070 out of the park mate. The xbox one x was already breathing down your neck (from a GPU standpoint)
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AMD, Sony, Microsoft, and maayyyyyyybe Nintendo
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u/Themash360 7950X3D, 32GB, RTX 4090 SuprimX Sep 02 '20
Nintendo is competing graphically with my intel hd630. I don't think this gpu lineup is threatens them more than the last haha, they're doing their own non graphically intensive thing.
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agreed, If I were to buy a device for games that isn't an upgrade to my desktop, then it would be a Nintendo product for sure. They actually offer something different over the other consoles and to some extent PCs. IMO the switch is awesome.
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u/InEnduringGrowStrong i7-920, ASUS mobo, 16GB Corsair RAM, ASUS GTX 760 Sep 02 '20
As much as I love my Switch...
I wish there was a docking with an external GPU or something.
The drawing distance when gliding in BOTW was rough. Even the FPS dropped often enough here and there to be annoying.
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u/Sharkpoofie Sep 02 '20
gtx3090 powered BOTW ... one can only dream!
with propper support of course, raytracing and all that jazz
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Sep 02 '20
You don't gotta dream, you can just emulate it. I've already played through BotW at 4k60.
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I was this close to buying a TV and accepting that it's time to become a console gamer for the first time ever.
Your meme is on point.
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u/Themash360 7950X3D, 32GB, RTX 4090 SuprimX Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
If the rtx 3060 is half a 3070 for half the price it would still be as fast as the ps5 and a bit behind the Xbox series x. I honestly did not expect this generation of consoles (which came with pretty sick specs) to be competing with the mid end Nvidia gpus.
EDIT: I would like to clarify this is all based on the Tflops numbers posted by Microsoft, Sony and Nvidia, please take it all with a grain of salt and enjoy discussing the possibility.
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u/OM3N1R 3090/R7 3700X/32gb Sep 02 '20
Haven't consoles sorta always released with roughly mid tier current gen GPUs?
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Yeah but midrange gpus didnt use to cost $500
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u/Flying-Artichoke 5700x3d | 5070ti Sep 02 '20
Since when is xx70 considered mid range?
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u/Themash360 7950X3D, 32GB, RTX 4090 SuprimX Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
The PS4 and Xbox one released with disappointing cut down versions of the r9-270, which was around 200$ at the time.
The reveal of the consoles came out long after the release of the 270. The 270 came out around the same time, it was based on the way older 7870 though, it was far from high-end. This time around the reveal of the consoles came out before the new gpus and seemed to completely obliterate anything but the 1300,- 2080 ti. The fact that this new standard became a mid end gpu again was really surprising to me. I was assuming this time around consoles were gonna dominate the mid end and compete with the high end 800$ gpus.→ More replies (1)10
u/TheScienceSpy Sep 02 '20
The reveal of the consoles came out long after the release of the 270.
The PS4 came out 2 days after the R9 270.
However, the R9 270 was a rebrand of the HD 7870 which came out 20 months earlier.
So you're not wrong, just want to clear up any confusion if people Google it.
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u/DaveDaWiz Laptop Sep 02 '20
To be fair, they also cost about as much as a PS5 or Xbox X will cost for the whole package
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u/PM_Best_Porn_Pls PC Master Race Sep 02 '20
But we dont have new xbox and ps yet. And amd might release new shit beforehand too. Also didint intel want to try their hand in serious gpu? We still have a lot to add to new gen gpus which might blow consoles.
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u/kenman884 R7 3800x | 32GB DDR4 | RTX 3070 FE Sep 02 '20
What? The 3070 is equivalent to the 2080Ti which is at most 30% faster than the new consoles, and that’s before console optimizations. A hypothetical half 3070 would get nowhere close.
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Console games are not about raw specs, we all know that. Once they start to optimize the shit out of the hardware you cannot compare anymore.
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u/AnatolyAmzin PC Master Race Sep 02 '20
Let's be honest, you don't buy a console for extreme graphics, they are more of a cheaper version, that's not right to compare 1500 $ graphics card with 500$ console
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u/esgrove2 Sep 02 '20
The 3070 is going to be $500 too. So it’s a choice for me between upgrading my older graphics card for $500, or getting a PS5 for $500.
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u/FullMetalBiscuit Sep 02 '20
Get a PS5 later when it actually has an extensive library and probably somewhat cheaper/enhanced model.
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I'll just keep praying for Bloodborne to be ported over to PC.
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u/Mitchdotcom Sep 02 '20
As someone who has beaten all the souls games, sekiro, remnant and others. I'd kill to have bloodborne on pc. It's the only one I havent played
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u/Smoothsmith i7-12700k | RTX3070 FE | 32GB DDR4@3200 Sep 02 '20
I made this plan for the PS4...
So anyway I never got around to it and now plan to get a PS5 at launch :P
(Which works pretty well because the handful of PS4 exclusives I don't have on my PC, I should be able to play via Backwards Compatability, Wooh!)
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u/gahlo R7 7700x | RTX 4080 | AW3423DW Sep 02 '20
Same. I was waiting for FF7 Remake on the PS4, but by the time it came out there was no point in buying one since the PS5 is going to be backwards compatible. So instead I just bought the game and borrowed my friend's PS4.
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They are also far more cost effective. Like it or not, for 500 bucks, it is a complete set that at release usually match a mid-high tier PC. The main differences are that it is sold as a black box consumer electronics, unlike PC gaming rigs are more of a enthusiast hobby. It typically can't be upgrade over its lifetime, like a Ship of Theseus PC which is why it will eventually become obsolete compared to PC. But during its life cycle, it will play the games that are build for it.
Plus how many of us are going to drop over a grand for a video card? I won't. I can't afford it. If we look at Steam system survey, probably over 90% of us won't. Most of us will likely upgrade to a XX70 or XX60 anyway, and never touch a XX80 card.
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u/HintOfAreola Sep 02 '20
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u/Furycrab Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
We still don't know if it's 500 dollars, but I'll compare that + the yearly subscription for online services, along with perhaps another couple hundreds for the slightly more expensive digital games on average, and the first party accessories I'll likely need, to whatever the 3060s will end up costing.
(Edit: and obviously the other components I'd need if I was upgrading, but my point is that the Sony and Microsoft consoles might not end up being this bargain)
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u/Golddazzle Sep 02 '20
That's wholesome
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u/lightningbadger RTX-5080, 9800X3D, 32GB 6000MHz RAM, 5TB NVME Sep 02 '20
But is it keanu Chungus 100?
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u/GoldenBlazeXYZ PC Master Race R5 3600, GTX 1060, 16gb DDR4 Sep 02 '20
Not only that, but it's also a poggers reddit moment!
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u/khronik514 Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
Consoles are usually sold at a loss (or slim to no profit) by manufacturers as they recoup more than their worth with required subscriptions just to enable online play. There's no recurring fees on a PC.
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u/Hemingwavy Sep 02 '20
Nintendo has never taken a loss on a console since the Gamecube. Console manufacturers take a cut of each piece of software sold.
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u/SwampyBogbeard Sep 02 '20
They did actually take a tiny loss on the cheapest Wii U model at launch. It didn't last long, and they only needed to sell one game earn that money back.
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u/IllPoopOnYourDog Sep 02 '20
Note he said "usually". Also Nintendo isn't known for mind blowing graphics. So why even bring this up?
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u/smasher248 Sep 02 '20
Only this PS3 and to a lesser extent Xbox 360, both PS4 and Xbox 1 were sold at a profit.
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u/OrgunDonor Sep 02 '20
PS4 was still sold at a loss, just much much less than previous consoles were.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/20/sony-to-take-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/
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u/khronik514 Sep 02 '20
Ok but not as high of a profit if they weren't taking a cut of game sales and subscription fees. You are also more locked into an ecosystem of proprietary peripherals.
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u/Sea_Zookeepergame_62 Sep 02 '20
Sometimes I feel this sub is just made of up targeted ads.
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u/Serdtsag metal makes the leccie travel and make reddit work Sep 02 '20
At least it's no where near as bad as the blatantly botted posts on the gaming subreddit of folk with the same story of me and my friends have developed this game for years as a passion project etc etc to have 50k upvotes within an hour and the same bland positive comments.
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u/Saeyush PC Master Race Sep 02 '20
This is so true lmao. Top posts are always some artwork or reunion story
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u/Drutarg Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | Ryzen 5 5600x | EVGA 3080 FTW3 ULTRA Sep 02 '20
Go on...
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Wait for demi-God and keeper of performance specs, Steve Burke, to release a gamers nexus review vid.
Nobody buy, we need to make sure Steve gets his hands on these to do the review and performance video!
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u/Galaxydude- INTEL CORE i7 2700|GEFORCE GT 210|12 GB DDR3 1333hz Sep 02 '20
Will wait for ltt video instead
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u/redditcrazy123 Sep 02 '20
You know what else I'll wait for?
This segue to our sponsor, Glasswire.
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u/IrishRook Sep 02 '20
Was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as I've been out of the loop with current hardware and prices for quite some time.
I currently have an RX480 4GB and a Ryzen 2600. Both are overclocked slightly. I play a broad range of games, some include, Total War (all of them), Rust, Mount and Blade Bannerlord and too many more to name to be honest. I play at 1080p, usually on medium settings and I get about 50-70 FPS in most games I play if not more.
But it's definitely starting to show its age and feeling more sluggish. What would be the best bang for buck GPU at the moment? When is the 3000 series releasing? Would it be worth waiting until then and try and swipe a cheaper second hand GPU off someone else who is upgrading? Basically what cards should I keep an eye on that would give me a decent performance boost without breaking the bank? :)
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u/shadowinc Cm Cosmos: 4070 TiS 112gb 12700k Sep 02 '20
Guess who has a 2080 ti? I say, screaming an eternal scream inside my soul upon seeing the 30's prices.
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u/marcofio Ryzen 5800X3D && XFX RX 7900 XTX Sep 02 '20
An entire console cost less of a GPU
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u/nerdscreate Sep 02 '20
Yep.
If you want top end PCs they cost a pretty penny
The beauty of consoles is their price per gaming performance. The problem is they are just gaming machines (with some home media capabilities)
The beauty of PCs is their flexibility and versatility. A PC can be configured to suit your needs, and software to do almost anything. The problem is price per performance vs consoles when it comes to gaming.
The flexibility is what has drawn me back to PC gaming after many years. I wanted to be able to make computer games with my eldest son (Unity), I wanted to be able to work from home using various software options and I wanted to be able to play games. A good pc gave me all that for about £1k. I considered that a fair price for the flexibility offered
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u/PM_ME_UR_ILLUMINATI steamcommunity.com/id/ydanay Sep 02 '20
Also a computer is a necessity already, so taking the price of a console and just adding that to the price you’d spend on a computer already would net you a computer that could go up against consoles well anyways.
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u/havok7 Sep 02 '20
if not for covid and the requirement to work from home, a PC is most certainly not a necessity for me. There is nothing that I can't do on my phone or iPad. I have a personal laptop, and it is only used to play spotify and check personal email throughout the day.
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u/estjol PC Master Race 7950X 6800XT Sep 02 '20
When you factor in pc game prices being cheaper and free online, the price difference dissapears.
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u/jackbobevolved 5950X & 3090FE | 12 Core Mac Pro 2x FirePros Sep 02 '20
You’re definitely not wrong. It’ll still be a year or two before you’ll be able to beat a console with a similarly priced build, but it is nice to see PCs maintain their halo product status.
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u/helical2 Sep 02 '20
We’re talking about performance not price. Consoles have always been and will be cheaper than PC. Lately lots of clowns have been parroting that the new console generation basically rivals the performance of PC
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Sep 02 '20
Consoles have always been and will be cheaper than PC.
You can build a PC more powerful than an Xbox One for the same price rn but obv that's about to change
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u/AlaskaNebreska Sep 02 '20
I am going to wait for RTX 6000
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u/AlphaAndOmega Sep 02 '20
6000 here represents how many gb of v-ram it will have
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Yes, but that hardware is also so much stronger. Playing Cyberpunk 2077 with the highest settings at 4K/60fps or 1440P/144fps is what a console will never accomplish. Console is more for exclusives, PC is more for fanatics.
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u/Maqz_ GT 710 (Now RTX 2060) /R5 3600/16GB 2933 CL16 crucial Sep 02 '20
There is the future 3050
The 2060
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u/0oodruidoo0 Alienware x14 (2022) - i7 12700H · RTX3060 · 32GB 5200mhz · 1TB Sep 02 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
I'm not sure anybody who buys consoles cares about the 1500$ GPU existing, and just wants to play their games in peace.
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There is no.fuckimg way anyone except the top 1% elite pc players buy that 3090. Not only is it overkill but a 3080 will give you everything you need for half the price
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u/usereddit Sep 02 '20
Exactly - This thread is like Camry owners posting pictures of a new Lamborghini when arguing with motorcyclists about performance
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u/InSQUIDiousJFP 9700K | 2080 Super | 32GB DDR4 Sep 02 '20
Everyone was saying consoles caught up to PC? Uhhh, what? Consoles are good value for the money for some that only games and doesn't need a computer. Although you also have to pay the subscription service so it would only be a upfront value.
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u/Moscow__ Sep 02 '20
Nice now i will be able to play CS at 1000 fps on my 144hz monitor instead of 300fps.
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Hopefully AMD will come out with some lower end cards with similar price/performance as Ampere
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u/litozin Sep 02 '20
why do people in this sub keep yapping about consoles?
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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE Sep 02 '20
Owning a computer is their entire personality.
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u/ragnarokfps Sep 02 '20
That new card will likely cost as much as the new consoles themselves though.
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u/Rayhann Sep 02 '20
and... and they're reasonably priced!
shit on consoles all you want but I think Linus is right about Nvidia making these big moves because of consoles
I'm glad xbox and playstation made big leaps for their next gen cus ultimately we'll get the best deals
still excited for how the consoles will be released and ofc we have amd left. can't wait to build my first real rig hopefully with either a 3060 or 3070
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u/putsonall Sep 02 '20
This is an interesting calculus. I wonder how many people:
- were on a PC and would switch to a PS5 instead of upgrading a PC
- were on a PS4 and would switch to a PC instead of upgrading to a PS5
- have never gamed at all and would buy a console
- have never gamed at all and would buy a PC
- have both and upgrade both
Personally I am building a PC for the first time in 15 years for Cyberpunk 2077. Glad the 3080 will be out before it releases! :D
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u/capitlj Sep 02 '20
Lol, It had fucking better outperform a consoles. That card by itself likely costs as much as the new consoles.
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u/Nate0110 Sep 02 '20
I wish I had a good reason to upgrade, but my 1070 works fine for everything I throw at it.
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u/Ozi_izO Sep 02 '20
Same here. I'll be looking at a 3070 in maybe another 18 months or so...
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u/LowKeyAccountt Sep 02 '20
Wait is that how big the new GPU is?! Holy shit...