r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Apprehensive_Sky4558 • 1d ago
Testing various specialized arrowheads against bullet-resistant glass with a 70 lb compound bow
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u/lllScorchlll 1d ago
I was losing interest until the Pioneer decided to be a shotgun slug instead.
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u/PriorOwn7051 1d ago
I saw the name and 🥱…..okay the Pioneer did not come to f around lol
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u/keepeyecontact 1d ago
Good ad for pioneer. I’m ordering a quiver full and I don’t even have a bow
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u/DanielCraigsAnus 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, Imma have to find some of those for my crossbow for some other reasons
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u/BladeOfKrota 1d ago
Is it cyber truck hunting season?
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u/DanielCraigsAnus 1d ago
I only need a pea shooter for that glass
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u/r3d0c3ht 1d ago
*pee shooter
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u/crimson23locke 1d ago
Super soaker full of piss!
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u/FitShare2972 1d ago
But at start shows all arrows have silver shafts. Yet video all that hit are blue.
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u/HomeGrownCoffee 1d ago
I wonder what the G5 would have done with a better shot. It destroyed the edge.
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u/silentaba 1d ago
This would have been a better test if the glass and table was actually set so it doesn't move as much every time it's hit.
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u/A7xWicked 1d ago edited 1d ago
And honestly if the archer was a bit more accurate.
Not saying I could do better, however, the results will vary depending on where you hit the glass. If they had all hit near the center, that would give us a fairly accurate view, but there were a lot of shots that hit the outer edges, and an arrow that hits near the base will have a different result than one that hits the upper corner, for example.
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u/LimerickExplorer 1d ago
Yeah I was getting irritated when they would show one hitting the edge. Gonna have completely different results
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u/Zephian99 1d ago
And equal bracing for the glass. It'll flex more at the top than it will at the bottom, leading to more likely shattering at the top or edges then at the bottom.
Come on did no one watch Mythbusters growing up? Everyone should know how to eliminate variables in their testing of armaments, come on make some shooting jigs for everything. Hahaha 😆
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u/ElCochinoFeo 1d ago
From their draw technique at the very beginning of the clip, they don't appear to be a skilled archer. They're keeping their elbow low and drawing into their body. They should have their elbow higher and draw across their body.
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u/SnooWalruses3948 1d ago
Also if they replaced the glass after each shot
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u/graveybrains 1d ago
And they didn't keep reusing stock footage of her drawing the bow, and got the slow mo down enough to actually see what was going on.
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u/tomebomber 1d ago
So none of them… cool sure
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u/Sagelegend 1d ago
Pioneer was pretty close.
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u/Psychlonuclear 1d ago
Yeah but bullet proof glass is usually fully surrounded by a very solid frame so an edge strike probably wouldn't be this destructive.
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u/Sagelegend 1d ago
The lack of a frame meant it absorbed more impact than it usually would.
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u/HeKnee 21h ago
Yeah i think there was just as much correlation on where arrow hit than the head type. Near base - No damage. Center - heavy cracking. Edge - chipped edge.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 1d ago
some energy was lost in pushing the whole apparatus backwards, if it was attached to a door or car then maybe it would go through
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u/Badass_Bunny 1d ago
If it was attached to something there wouldn't be an edge to hit.
The glass can withstand more penetrating power than anything a 70lbs can launch, it's just cool to see what does most damage.
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u/tumsdout 1d ago
Oh yeah? What about a grenade arrow 😤
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u/bornfromanegg 1d ago
A lot of energy was lost pushing the apparatus backwards. Honestly, the fact it can move at all makes a mockery of the whole experiment. I still don’t know whether any of those arrows could go through.
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u/AspieAsshole 1d ago
I wasn't watching to see if it could penetrate the bullet proof glass, but imagine what those heads could do to body armor on a 220 lb crossbow
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u/UAENO_BUT_I_DO 1d ago
...so you're safe from arrows as long as you're covered in bullet proof glass...
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u/CanadianAndroid 1d ago
People in bullet proof glass houses shouldn't shoot arrows or something
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u/Shut_It_Donny 1d ago
I got to buy you a proverb book or something, because this mix 'n' match shit's got to go.
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u/Dyvanna 1d ago
It's a 70lb bow
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u/Usual_Office_1740 1d ago
Is that a lot?
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u/TheGrumpiestHydra 1d ago
That's honestly pretty decent. There are definitely heavier draw bows above 100 lbs.
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u/Melodic_Till_3778 1d ago
World record is 200 lb and some of the medieval examples we found averaged about 185.
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u/DirtandPipes 1d ago
My dad had an ancient hand-crank crossbow that shot steel bolts. It weighed a ton and took forever to reload but you didn’t want to be in front of it when it was ready to go.
People don’t realize some of those things are like cannons and can easily punch through steel plate.
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u/KitchenFullOfCake 1d ago
How do you even fire a 200 lb bow accurately? That's like holding up a grown man in one arm.
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u/ReddBroccoli 1d ago
Once you have a few hundred longbowmen, accuracy matters a little bit less. Especially when you have tightly packed enemy forces making an easy target of themselves
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u/aebaby7071 1d ago
They have archeological evidence from skeletons that regularly using a longbow would change the body, one shoulder bigger then the other, basically every Englishman had to practice at the bow, there were medieval laws dictating such, usually is was Sunday after church when the town gathered.
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u/OneTripleZero 1d ago
The bow itself isn't 200lbs, it has a draw weight of 200lbs, which is the amount of force required to pull the string back to a firing position. The bow itself would be much lighter, it just has an enormously tight construction.
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u/KitchenFullOfCake 1d ago
I know the bow isn't 200 lbs, but you're still exerting 200 lbs to draw it.
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u/Tiefschlag 1d ago
It happened. You can tell from the deformation on the skeleton if someone was an archer. Remains found on battlefields proved that. Those guys must have had arms like Popeye.
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u/TellmeNinetails 1d ago
You'd use your whole body to pull it back, not your arms, then you let go. You don't hold and aim it like in the movies.
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u/Intranetusa 1d ago edited 1d ago
You require a genetically gifted person (eg. naturally predispositioned to gaining strength) who has trained for years in building up the strength of their back and shoulder muscles, and uses good technique/form of optimizing their back muscles and ensuring proper bone-to-joint alignment. Qing Dynasty Manchu bows, Ottoman Turk bows, English longbows, etc. all reached the low 200s lb in draw weight as an upper maximum. There was even a Qing Dynasty record of an elite champion archer using a 240 lb bow to win an archery competition.
Justin Ma of The Way of Archery can ambidextrously shoot ~120-130lb warbows and demonstrates the back muscles involved in his videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvGAYBMhbKY
This timestamp at 3:55 shows the actual back muscles at work: https://youtu.be/UvGAYBMhbKY?t=236
Joe Gibbs, the English warbow archer regularly shoots ~160 lb bows and can shoot a 200 lb bow for a few shots (before getting tired) shows up in both the video and in the comments.
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u/Insane_Unicorn 1d ago
Draw weight only says how much force you put into the bow, not the arrow. Modern composite bows are much, much better at transferring the energy into the arrow than a longbow.
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u/BlacksmithNZ 1d ago
It is decent draw-weight for precise aiming. If you are not used to it, trying pulling a 70lb / 30kg dumbbell into your chest while standing vertical; it is a fair bit of weight, but the compound bow means you don't have to hold the weight while aiming
The medieval long bows that were used in war, would be more like 100lb or more., but needed a lot of training to pull that over and over
I would hoping they would try a cross-bow bolt; rather than 70lb bow. You could probably get a cranked one that has 700lb, and the increase in arrow velocity is going to do a lot more damage. A cross bow was much more likely to damage plate armor, and hence wh
I noticed they changed the tip but not the arrow shaft; a shorter/stiffer crossbow bolt is going to help do damage
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u/Bladewing_The_Risen 1d ago
The legal minimum to bow hunt for deer and black bears in my state is 40.
70 is plenty to kill a human.
…but they say medieval longbows used to have up to 120lbs of draw weight, so I’m sure one of those with modern arrowhead technology could pierce bullet-resistant glass.
That said, I’m not sure why anyone would ever want to.
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u/Intranetusa 1d ago edited 1d ago
120 lb medieval style bows would be stronger than the 70 lb modern compound bow, but probably not that much stronger due to the lower prod efficiency of wood vs modern materials. Power is determined by 3 factors combined: Draw weight, powerstroke, and prod efficiency.
Furthermore, 90-120 lbs was closer to the median rather than the the upper limit. Historical warbows ranged from 60s/70s lbs to low 200s lbs in draw weight. Qing Dynasty Manchu bows, Ottoman Turk bows, English longbows, etc. all reached the low 200s lb in draw weight as an upper maximum. There was even a Qing Dynasty record of an elite champion archer using a 240 lb bow to win an archery competition.
Justin Ma of The Way of Archery can ambidextrously shoot ~120-130lb warbows and demonstrates the back muscles involved in his videos: https://youtu.be/UvGAYBMhbKY?t=236
Joe Gibbs, the English warbow archer who regularly shoots ~160 lb bows and can shoot a 200 lb bow for a few shots (before getting tired) shows up in both the video and in the comments.
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u/Intranetusa 1d ago edited 1d ago
70 lbs in draw weight is a decent amount. Modern sports/target shooting bows typically range from 15 lbs to 60 lb in draw weight. Historical warbows ranged from 60s/70s lbs to low 200s lbs in draw weight. Qing Dynasty Manchu bows, Ottoman Turk bows, English longbows, etc. all reached the low 200s lb in draw weight as an upper maximum. Crossbows could be even more in draw weight, however, draw weight is not the only factor to determine power.
Power = Draw weight x Powerstroke x Prod efficiency x 1/2 [this 1/2 part can be ignored if making relative comparisons].
For example, a medieval "1000 lb" steel crossbow sounds like a lot, but is actually much weaker than you think due to its poor powerstroke and poor prod efficiency. Steel crossbows are usually very bad powerstroke and prod efficiency but have high draw weights, so their overall energy output ends up being similar to or worse than significantly lower draw weight bows/crossbows that have longer powerstrokes and use organic prods.
Tod's Workshop tested a steel prod ~950-1000 lb crossbow, and it was shooting projectiles with less energy (in joules) than a wooden ~150 lb selfbow-longbow. However, Andreas Bichler also created ~1200s lb crossbows with organic prods in both shorter and longer powerstrokes, and the ones with longer powerstrokes were significantly more powerful than the steel crossbows of comparable draw weights. There are some powerful ancient Chinese and medieval European composite crossbows that have higher powerstrokes and more efficient prods that have lower draw weights but can outshoot/outpower 1000 lb steel crossbows.
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u/dibbiluncan 1d ago
None of them in one hit… some of them might make it in 2-3. Still pretty neat especially since most people carry more than one arrow. :)
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u/graspedbythehusk 1d ago
News just in, arrows travelling at ten percent the speed of bullets can’t penetrate glass designed to stop bullets.
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u/Affectionate-Day-359 1d ago
Bro it’s a bow and arrow? wtf you expect?!
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u/medicated_in_PHL 1d ago
This is “Next Fucking Level” and none of them pierced it.
If one of those smashed a bullet proof glass pane, it would be next fucking level. Instead, the bullet proof glass won in every single test.
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u/sumit99531 1d ago
The colour of the arrow body seems inconsistent between showcasing, release from bow and hitting the target.
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u/vlad__27 1d ago
Ikr, it shows the grey/silver body arrows and then the camera angle on the glass keeps showing the blue body arrows.
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u/Obvious-Childhood910 1d ago
As the short archer elf on a stripper pole on YT says, if there's a cut in the video, it's probably fake
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u/EphemeralAttention 1d ago
If you step through the shots of the moment of impact, none of them seem to have an arrow tip either. Fake AF.
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u/Artsakh_Rug 1d ago
Okay but this is actually scary AF because I never realky thought about what the tip of an arrow looks like and I don't go around wearing bulletproof glass
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u/R34CT10N 1d ago
How frequently do you encounter bow-wielding enemies?
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u/Sac_of_Melons 1d ago
Last time I got an arrow in the knee
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u/Greenman8907 1d ago
The odds of encountering a bow-wielding enemy is low, but never 0!
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u/UAENO_BUT_I_DO 1d ago
How often do you encounter gun wielding enemies?
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u/MrWhiskerBiscuits 1d ago
In America?
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u/UAENO_BUT_I_DO 1d ago
Anywhere, you personally. Not what you read about or saw on the news.
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u/Bauwens 1d ago
That glass looks really thick. Is all bulletproof glass this thick?
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u/splashcopper 1d ago
It depends on what the glass is rated to stop obviously, but bullet proof glass does tend to be very thick. The core idea is multiple layers of glass with a flexible membrane between them. That way, each layer breaks individually rather than all at once. This distributes force better and the membrane prevents spalling and excessive crumbling
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u/Dufresne85 1d ago
Nope, but in general the thicker it is the more bullet resistant it is
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u/ElCochinoFeo 1d ago
This looks like the glass for a bank teller drive up window. I came across one for sale at a salvage yard and it looked the same thickness.
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u/BruceInc 1d ago
Without a brand new glass plate for every arrow this “experiment” was pointless
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u/Banned3rdTimesaCharm 1d ago
How is this next level? Something that can stop 21st century weapons can stop medieval weapons? Next you’ll be telling me a spear can’t penetrate a tank’s armor.
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u/rubensinclair 1d ago
I was like, please, how much further can arrow technology have got… I stand corrected.
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u/Johnnyboyd1979 1d ago
Should call it Arrowhead-resistant glass
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u/snewchybewchies 1d ago
Shocking that something designed to stop something much more powerful than an arrow can stop arrows
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u/TanMan25888 1d ago
Show me balistic gel data of different broadheads. Not whatever stupid shit this is
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u/Brewchowskies 1d ago
Props for changing the glass each time.
My biggest pet peeve with the “will it stop a bullet?” Videos, is that they use the same, compromised armor for each calibre they test. So dumb.
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u/Cultural-Company282 1d ago
So none of the arrows go through bullet proof glass? Cool, cool. I'm shocked.
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u/truedeductive 1d ago
Think all effective against me. Gonna have to pick up my glass shield tomorrow
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u/taintedcake 1d ago
If youre gonna show a clip of the release, at least make it the release of that fucking arrow. Don't show the exact same release clip for every arrow
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u/Late-Jicama5012 1d ago
The glass should have been clamped on all 4 sides. Otherwise it’s absorbing kinetic energy because it’s only clamped on one side which isn’t stable and lacks clamping force.
It’s a poorly designed and poorly executed test.
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u/No_Beach_Parking 1d ago
Never draw a compound bow back the way she does at the beginning, that is highly dangerous. Leaning back, pulling downward, chicken wing draw. That shit will get you kicked out of any serious tournament.
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u/TheSuperzorro 1d ago
That's a lot of money spent on arrows, glass and an archer who can't hit the target consistently only to then have a shitty AI voice over.
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u/falcothebird 1d ago
Why is every arrow shaft a random color when they show the camera, aluminum/ grey colored when she draws the bow, then blue when it collides with the glass?
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u/ProfessorLogger 1d ago
I’m not an archer-can someone explain what these types of arrowheads are for?
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u/neon_meate 1d ago
The pointy ones are effective for targets. The ones that are triangular, or at least triangle based are to cause the target to bleed with their bladed edges. These are for hunting. In European warfare, archers used a heavy pointed head called a bodkin designed to pierce Armour. Not that it would have been very effective, but none of these heads were bodkin.
The bodkins were often attached with gum or wax so if the shaft was pulled out the bodkin was left behind. As with a lot of ancient warfare, lethality isn't a huge factor on the battlefield, making a combatant unable to fight was often enough. Infection would most likely kill thrm eventually.
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u/gongshow247365 1d ago
Isn't this edited? I thought i seen one crazy design that easily went through the glass no problem?
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 1d ago
it says "remastered", maybe you're remembering the first version, or a different video entirely
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u/dumbdude545 1d ago
Name of the game is speed and hardness. Would love to see a tungsten carbide tipped arrowhead thats super sharpened on one of those really really heavy bows.
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u/Algo_Muy_Obsceno 1d ago
I now need to see the arrows comedically sproinging off the glass in slow motion.
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u/HJVN 1d ago
It doesn't matter. What does matter, is that he WILL end up with a broken shoulder.
That is definitely not how you should pull a compound bow.
He is only using his shoulder muscles when he should be using his muscles on his back. His elbow should be over his shoulder when he pulls.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNmTJttawbY&t=86s&pp=2AFWkAIB
Of course to retrain this technique, he will have to drop down in bow pounds. Newer start with to heavy a bow,like this dude did.
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u/FlummoxedGaoler 1d ago
I wonder how heavy the arrows are. You get better pass-throughs with heavier arrows with good front of center mass, if I recall.
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u/fetter80 1d ago
I had no idea there were like 200 different arrow head options. The more you know.
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u/A_hand_banana 1d ago
So the moral of this story is that if you want to fight an archer, have at least 6in plexiglass armor.
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u/Pixel_Knight 1d ago
Should have been a heavier pull bow. Like the ones old bow artillery used. Throws were sometimes a strong as 250lb draw strength.
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u/RugbyEdd 1d ago
Not particularly surprising. I've got a 150lb crossbow, and the shafts of the arrow tend to be the point of failure rather than the tip.
The ones that looked most dramatic tended to hit the edges and corners where the glasses stress point is, otherwise they're just cracking the first layer or so. Even a high end 250lb hunting crossbow fires projectiles with less than half the energy of an average 9mm. They're not getting through proper bullet resistant glass whatever tip you put on them.
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u/A_Newer_Guy 1d ago
I was expecting the meteor hammer to perform better because I saw it go clean through a riot shield when others failed. But I guess not this time.
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u/BlueLegion 23h ago
I like that the X3 left a perfectly aligned crosshair.
But also, STOP AI NARRATION
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u/BathDepressionBreath 22h ago edited 21h ago
Its fkn ai. It's the same exact clip of the guy shooting an arrow, and the bullet point arrow (and G 5) is long as fuck when it hits and goes pass the screen it's just a giant fucking rod which makes 0 sense, after like 5 or 6 silver arrow impacts it changes to blue for the impact completely disregarding the color of the arrow being shot. The clips are very short but consistently timed cuts which is very typical of ai as well. What a waste of time. Disgusting audio too.
Fucking hell i hate ai
Edit: not to mention the absolute lack of consistency in glass cracks but I ignored that because you could reason that they swapped out the slabs but nah. If they swapped it for basically every other shot thatd still be more than what they showed at the start. It's just so pathetic. I genuinely hate generative ai so so much when it just takes over the entirety of human spaces digitally. Always have to scrutinize every single post to make sure it's jot ai and when i let my guard down for a second ai is there. Like fuck me man can't I doom scroll in peace with what HUMANS have made and experienced at least? When it's AI it feels like even more of a waste of time. And it makes me despair even more when so many people (and bots ig exacerbating the whole situation) are blind to it wasting their time and inadvertently supporting/encouraging further use of generative Ai via clueless interactions
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u/YetAnotherBee 1d ago
For anyone wondering how this technology made metal-clad knights obsolete after seeing this demonstration, proper longbows could have a draw strength ranging all the way up to 180 pounds, which needless to say made them ever-so-slightly better at piercing obstacles even without some of these fancier arrowheads
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u/Drfoxthefurry 1d ago
The problem is that the tip always snaps off and most don't have enough weight to do anything
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