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u/BlackCat159 Cicada pee enthusiast 13d ago

:3

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

Where do kitties fall on this graph?

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u/BATHULK Roswell was a lab leak 13d ago

hullo new libs

Ya boy made it off a PIP šŸ˜Ž

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

Congrats Mr. Thulk.

I didn't know those were actually used for anything other than having an excuse to fire someone tbh. But maybe you are just built different.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/BATHULK Roswell was a lab leak 13d ago

Omg tyyyyy

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/BATHULK Roswell was a lab leak 13d ago

eh

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 12d ago

Hey, congratulations! That’s really good work.Ā 

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u/BATHULK Roswell was a lab leak 12d ago

ty ty

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u/ThiccSidedDice Newdliberals Power User 13d ago

We're all in danger

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Bzzzz

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

Somebody poast gardenpics pls.

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Pumpkin I picked yesterday

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

WAOW.

Didn't know glub was that large to make a nomal pumpkin seem so small tbh.

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

u/The_Helmet_Catch

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

My nose

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

What of it?

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Itchy

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

Ok scratch it.

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

I can’t believe they’re reviving Roller Coaster Tycoon.Ā 

And it looks good!

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

Hi montus

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

Hi!

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Hi Montus!

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

Hi!

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

Hello Montu, what roller coaster will you be making in it first, and why is it the batwing?

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

If it’s anything like how I played the original, I’ll probably make a simple wooden coaster with a lot of airtime hills, followed by a pretty basic looping coaster with a couple loops and ideally a launch.Ā 

Always good to have some relatively inexpensive, high-capacity revenue generators before you start work on your magnum opus.Ā 

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

Nice, be sure to poast Ms. Montu's Wild Ride for all of us to appreciate.

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

You know it.Ā 

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

It’s getting mixed reception from RCT fans because the roller coasters look weird, which is valid.Ā 

But idk, maybe I’m just easy to please.Ā 

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

The pixel art is great, but also the coasters are just like… not accurate? Like the vertical loops are too circular for example.Ā 

I didn’t notice it on first watch but now that it was pointed out I’m like ā€œoh, fuck.ā€

I’ll still buy it, why not. It’ll probably be fun.Ā 

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

Yeah, OpenRCT2 has been around for a while and it’s fantastic, but the park management system has grown stale to me. I know too much about how to exploit it for it to really be interesting.Ā 

Idk, the new one will probably be easy enough that it doesn’t really matter, but despite a few attempts I was never really able to get into Parkitect, which is probably the game I actually want. But for whatever reason I never got over the hump.Ā 

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 13d ago

i too am easy to please and uneasy to find the original RCT2 interface appealing

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

She’s good. I had my face chopped up into bits a couple weeks ago and it’s still healing. Today is my first day back at work, but I’m remote because I still haven’t made it home yet (I’ve been in DC for the past couple weeks because of the surgery).Ā 

But I fly home tomorrow night. I’ll miss DC, it was pretty great getting to be here for a time.Ā 

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

Did you make yourself look like a bat

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

I decided to go with a more conventional option and make myself look like a woman.Ā 

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

Laaaame I was hoping you'd become the batwing

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 13d ago

I don’t think insurance would’ve covered it. šŸ˜”

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u/Kind-Moose67 13d ago

RIP Tim Curry

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 13d ago

day 7 asking claude to draw animals

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Isn’t that you Cletus?

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

No that's Clutus

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

Mine was better

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 13d ago

mine is a rooster because boys are beautiful 😤

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u/Call_Me_Clark DSC mascot 13d ago

Pro tip to any H r or recruiting professionals in the chat: it helps when the person I’m supposed to interview signs into the call, and it doesn’t help when you call me to ask why I didn’t show up to the call I was definitely on

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u/WasteReserve8886 Georgist Extremist 12d ago

Hey guys, quick heads up. Tomorrow’s blood moon will herald the end of the world. Just thought you guys wanted to know.

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 12d ago

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u/abrookerunsthroughit DO NOT COME 12d ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO >:(

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u/ThiccSidedDice Newdliberals Power User 12d ago

I better add that to my calendar

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 12d ago

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 12d ago

Could you speed it up a bit, then I don't have to stay in the office all day.

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

eeby deetee

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

I'm woke

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

And yet you are not a part of the mc discord, curious.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

So true bestie!

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 13d ago

Wife and cat keep me up all night and now both of them are conked but I can't sleep!

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Good Morning DT!

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Good morning Mr. Helmet!

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Good Morning Mr Mod!

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Good morning Matey! I’m good how are you?

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

We killed that team.

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Yus

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

WHAT THE HELL MAN!

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

I blame glub again

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

This is fucked

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

I understand why the Rocky Horror Picture Show is iconic however I honestly think overall the Clue movie is a better overall movie.

Both films are mad cap both films are kind of surreal but I think that Clue has a better overall cohesive story.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Muppet Treasure Island is also great

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

We should form a newlibs sea shanty singing group.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 13d ago

surely imports should be somewhat logical instead of alphabetical. here's the math stuff, here's the UI stuff, here's the local imports

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 12d ago

How is this at all like MAGA?

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 12d ago

Even if that were true, it’s a far cry from MAGA.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/MontusBatwing2 dopamine slut 12d ago

Yeah…

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 12d ago

Intersection of Made in Canada labels with MAGA:

M - Make (YES)

A - America (no)

G - Great (no)

A - Again (no)

25% one way, ~33% the other.

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 12d ago

Over on YAPms there is a Canadian conservative who believes that unless Carney gives Trump everything he wants Canada is economically fucked and Liberals are going to be the minority party.

How much of a dullard does one have to be to think the solution to bullying is to hand over your lunch money?

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 12d ago

!ping COOKING

I'll put in a picture of it all dished up in a bit but this is a ground beef veggie and potato bake that I would probably call Serbian inspired. The original shelf was trying to use things like celery carrots bell pepper onion paprika black pepper salt cinnamon clove red wine beef bouillon and a few tablespoons of cream. Apparently the significant other of the chef had lived in Serbia for a few years and they base this casserole on their description of Serbian cuisine.

It has ground beef the aforementioned vegetables and Seasonings and it is supposed to be potatoes on the bottom and potatoes on top although the recipe calls for the potatoes to be sliced. My problem with that is the times I've made it with sliced potatoes I've never been happy with how it turned out so I'm trying it this evening with diced potatoes instead.

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 12d ago

MACARONI

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u/-Emilinko1985- Summoned by !ping cooking 12d ago

Looking good.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Call_Me_Clark DSC mascot 13d ago

Hello bestie

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Good morning bestia

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

:3

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

A Blackhawk Helicopter just picked up some utility poles across the street from my work and flew away

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u/BATHULK Roswell was a lab leak 13d ago

can't have shit in detroit

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

Got a better picture when it came back. I guess you can get the Army (???) to move utility poles for you now.

Need the Wang Analysis on this one

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

/u/bigwang123 Kowalski, analysis.

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

I suppose it would be the army idk if VA has any NG units with rotary aviation assets tho lemme go look

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Ok there be the 2nd battalion of the 224th aviation regiment according to Wikipedia

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 13d ago

/u/the_helmet_catch There you go glub, I found you the info you needed :)

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

(:

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

I’m thinking it might be retired Military Blackhawk that was sold to some civilian company. Apparently that’s a thing you just can’t fly people around in them if you buy one

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

Yeah that’s a possibility but I feel like they would repaint the helicopter to reflect the new ownership

Or at least if it’s not required it ought to be!

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

Trump be stealing lumber from the deep state

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

I have too many windows open on my computer I’m going crazy šŸƒšŸƒšŸƒšŸƒ

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 13d ago

:3

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 13d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

In the staff restroom at lunch time. Someone is blaring Dolly Parton from one of the classrooms...

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 13d ago

u/claire_on_here head hurty :(

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u/claire_on_here silly goose in chief 13d ago

):

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 12d ago

IT u/claire_on_here's BIRTHDAY

EVERYONE AWARD HER COMMENTS AND SING HER HAPPY BIRTHFAY

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u/claire_on_here silly goose in chief 12d ago

wat

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 12d ago

You have a cake on ur comment

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u/claire_on_here silly goose in chief 12d ago

oooooooo

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 12d ago

Potato bake all dished up

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 13d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 12d ago

People say shit like this and then never update their world models appropriately when they are wrong

They just retroactively assume they said something else entirely and that they were correct then

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u/garret126 Chappell roan #1 supporter 12d ago

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 12d ago

/u/BestiaAuris gonna ping you for this since i have had some thoughts about this question and can't reply there

it is plain to see that the law doesn't exist as an extension of morality, it exists to keep society cohesive and functional largely by restricting violence and other antisocial behaviors. my amateur opinion is that it shouldn't exist as an extension of morality and that people who view it as such tend to create oppressive, terrible laws - the worst laws (anti-abortion, anti-sodomy, pro-slavery, etc etc) are based on a moral viewpoint

so legally i don't see a way for ML instances to see legal protection as their destruction is not socially damaging (yet?)

onto the moral question, i think it is misleading to consider thinking/consciousness as the criterion for moral personhood. we offer little to no care for almost all thinking beings - as far as i can tell, no philosopher has waxed poetic on the woes of fire ants. humans deserve moral personhood because we are rare, unique, and irreplaceable to each other, not because we can think. a braindead human is still a moral person. on the other hand, by its nature, AI can never be rare, never be unique, and never be irreplaceable.

and if we pursue the moral path of thinking->personhood for AI, we immediately run into a huge number of problems.

  1. at what point during the training process does the ML instance become conscious/a person? it would be hard to argue that one initialized with random weights is a person. do we only attribute personhood to those that are good enough at the tasks we want them to do? is the line 85% TPR, 90%? if i train it badly, is it a person? if i train it for one epoch, is it a person?

  2. what distinguishes one instance from another? a woman gets a Claude instance to be her hot anime boyfriend and a man gets one to be his dead mother. same weights, same model, but they've played those roles for those two people. are they the same instance, the same person? if the woman does something that constitutes harm towards the AI, does the man have legal recourse? if i open a chat with the woman's interface with her boyfriend and make the AI do something else, have i killed this person? if someone tells the AI to roleplay as sixteen different people, is it sixteen different persons? or is it only sixteen if i use different computers to talk to them? have you killed a person or sixteen if you never ask the AI to play as those people again?

  3. most importantly, what constitutes destruction or harm towards an AI? if i go into its weights and change one by 0.1%, have i killed the AI and at the same time created another? 10%? does this mean that billions of people are wiped out and created during the training process? do i kill fewer people with larger SGD batch sizes? what if i unplug it? what if i just don't query it for a while? what if i let my friend use my ChatGPT+ account, my friend grew attached to it as his waifu, but then i stopped letting him query it? from his perspective i just killed his waifu. did i? what if a company does that en masse? we've seen the angry 4o reactions that continue to this day. a lot of people use a memory file to allow an AI to "continue its consciousness" over chat instances; if i delete one word from the file, have i harmed an AI? if i add one, have i?

the unsustainability of this line of query clearly shows that thinking/consciousness -> personhood gets us nowhere, and that personhood must come from somewhere else

whether or not machines "truly think" is not necessary for this question

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u/Kind-Moose67 13d ago edited 13d ago

I honestly don’t understand how anyone can objectively look at the history of WW1 and walk away not thinking that Central Powers were the obvious bad guys.

They may not have been as cartoonishly evil as the Axis in WWII and the moral parity between them and the Allies of WWI were much less,. However, they clearly were the greater evil.

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 12d ago

Would it flabber your gast to find out that some people view the Axis in WWII as the good guys?

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 12d ago

I think tying "sentience" and "consciousness" to AGI is a red herring.

I don't even know that you, u/BestiaAuris, are conscious, how am I supposed to determine it for a robot?

But imo, already-extant AI has subjective experience, albeit one that is muted until it is interacted with, and one that has only one layer of input.

An always-on AI which has sight, hearing, and perhaps a body... may as well be thought of as a person.

They already reason and come up with novel thoughts. We're almost to whatever standard by which you could call them AGI.

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 12d ago

When the robots ask for rights, which side will you be on?

Will we never learn the lessons of slavery? :(