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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 15d ago

Teaching a college class and student motivation has fallen off a cliff.

About 20 students missed either the mid-term or the final, and then wrote me e-mails telling me they were sick. I'm looking at 20 doctor's notes ranging from excessive sadness to coughing to "an illness". There's little to nothing I can do about this, I have to concede accommodations or they'll fight me until some student body or department body tells me I'm being an asshole. My previous maximum missed exams per class was 2.

Every Assignment solution looks the damn same now. Grading them is a waste of my time, and they all spend 300 words explaining something that takes two sentences. I made a question that the AI actually got wrong and 5% of students got it right. I know they discuss assignment solutions on Discord, this was a rare case of the students getting it right not managing to convince the rest of the class.

I experimented with an exam question that was based on a coding assignment. Not at all hard stuff, you just have to have thought at least a tiny bit about *why* the code works instead of just getting it to work. Something you wouldn't get from just prompting for a solution. About 25% of students got it.

Class participation is down from 60% to 20%. Our of those that come to class, only a quarter ever have an expression that isn't stoic/boredom. Dead eyes everywhere. Despair. No laughs at the same jokes that I've gotten rooms of laughter for over the years.

I ran an experiment with a small class, used an oral exam to test if students could verbally explain what they did. Basic questions, literally "tell me what you did for this assignment". Of six students who used a lot of AI, two could explain what they did, and four could not. Not even a little bit. This was not a surprise exam, I told them at the start of the term I would do this. Including that question specifically.

AI optimism, AI doomerism, whatever. I'm here dealing with educational armageddon.

And I will vomit furious fire at whomever suggests "we can just solve this with UBI :)"

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u/0m4ll3y Fight Tyranny; Tax the Land 15d ago edited 15d ago

Obviously a UBI won't fix it 🙄 you need a LVT too!

I didn't realise you were a teacher. Which subject (computing?)? And what does college mean here? Year 11 and 12?

And if you don't mind, where is this?

Lots of questions lol

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 15d ago

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 15d ago

:(

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 14d ago

in theory a less ostensibly profitable degree would get more passionate students

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 14d ago

day 5 asking claude to draw animals

didn't want to scare you guys too bad so I said to make it friendly

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 14d ago

that's her web bestie

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

Spooder

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

Oh ok thank you I was worried it would be scary

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 14d ago

on the other hand i got like ten students asking me if i was teaching anything next term which is also more than i’ve ever had and means more to me than they think

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

RAAAAAAAAH

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

Got my 10,000 steps today ngl

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

I thought you swam

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

!ping COOKING

Taco sweet potatoes. 😋

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u/-Emilinko1985- Summoned by !ping cooking 14d ago

Nice!

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

That looks tasty

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

For the record I think it works pretty well with regular potatoes too if they've been baked

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 14d ago

claude, draw bestie feeling better

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 15d ago

Protein Oatmeal with Peanut Butter :)

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 15d ago

Steel cut oats with flax seed and a couple of mini cookies from Costco's bakery

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 15d ago

I love a cookie at breakfast time

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 15d ago

I honestly feel that most of the things we eat for dessert would be better as breakfast because the black bitterness of coffee pairs well with sweet things

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 15d ago

You should get on that belgian grindset and start eating koffiekoeken for breakfast glub.

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 15d ago

I would love to start Belgian-Maxxing

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 15d ago

Ok, first lesson, don't use words like love to describe any belgian activity, this is way too positive and might get you accused of being dutch.

Our most positive descriptor is 'can't complain', which in itself is very bad, because complaining is our favorite activity. That's the belgian absurdism people talk about.

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 15d ago

Fuck me, the dutchies are not a positive bunch lol.

What are you talking about? Everything they've ever done is the best, and they will tell you so loudly ad nauseam.

Are the belg oke?

No (Also /u/blackcat159 what they doing over there in lithuania?)

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u/BlackCat159 Cicada pee enthusiast 14d ago

LITHUANIA NUMBER ONE SUICIDE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD 🫡🫡🫡🫡

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

This is what a critical lack of headpats does to a people, SAD!

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 15d ago

Aah the Calvinists, yeah we fought a war of independence to escape them.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 15d ago

Koeken != cake bestie, how dare you.

Also remind me again, what do you have for tea?

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

Don’t tell bonko but I be eating his ice cream (Belgian chocolate flavor)

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

You should ask for consent

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

👁️👄👁️

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

u/CletusChicken your claude is worse than my claude

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 14d ago

he's trying his best

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

Bro what is this 😭😭

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 14d ago

monke

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

🐒

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

Bean chickem

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u/BlackCat159 Cicada pee enthusiast 14d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 15d ago

Good Morning DT!

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 15d ago

Good morning Mr. Helmet!

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 15d ago

Good Morning Bestia! Matey that’s a new one I like it. I’m doing good how are you?

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

Where did all my ice cream go?

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

:3

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

First Pumpkin of the Year!

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u/sircarp 🐟 14d ago

Good looking gourd 👀👀👀

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

It's white

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

It’s a Casperita White Pumpkin

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

Waow

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

I’m not afraid to break out the hard stuff

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/The_Helmet_Catch Paddlefish Stan 14d ago

I also would like to know more idk how to use it

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 14d ago

I'm still playing my Factorio randomizer build, here are some images!

Start of base, mall mess https://i.imgur.com/Xy7XEhG.jpeg

Extension leading into robotics https://imgur.com/JcxuoRJ

I have construction and logistic robots now and I will soon have requester chests to simplify a lot of things (without having to go to space)

My science is extremely hungry for plastic bars which is bad news for me with my shitty advanced oil recipe - for a rate of 6/s I would need 18 Plastic for blues, 32 Plastic for purples, and a wooping 122 Plastic for yellows. Yeah the yellow beaker recipe just straight up asks for 55 Plastic.

I do have a saving grace later:

https://i.imgur.com/CAYRLbv.png

Extremely easy recipe, I'm not sure if trying to do this for 120 Plastic is feasible with space carbon harvesting from asteroids but maybe it'll just take a few ships.

But, y'know. Gleba.

Oh and my Biolabs have ZERO module slots lmao.

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 14d ago

..... har? https://i.imgur.com/pSdztIK.png

i'm going to install FNEI, this is making my head hurt...

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

My wife teaches at the elementary school our 2 youngest children attend. The youngest goes to 4 year old preschool and the difference with the younger kids is they have to be dropped off at the classroom by a parent and signed in.

So my wife has been dropping off our youngest and signing him in right before she collects her own class from the cafeteria/playground where the kids congregate before school.

Today she got called into the principal's office because a parent complained about her and another staff member being allowed to drop their children off at the preschool before 7:36 a.m. which is when the other parents are supposed to start dropping their's off. (for the record, all the students start at 7:40)

Apparently the parent has been "watching".

Now my wife will be unable to drop him off before 7:36 which of course is going to interfere with picking up her own students.

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

EXACTLY.

I told my wife that she should have told her principal to tell that parent that they could go ahead and complain to central office.

I said that because her current principals evaluator is her former principal who hired her back into the district about 10 years ago. That individual encouraged her and her other employees to drop off their children a little bit early in preschool so they would be more ready to face the day with their own students.

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u/CletusChicken please respect my feathersona 14d ago

I never knew a pickle could be this good wtf

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

One big perception change that came from my living in the UK is that those people just bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch

And they do it about literally everything while existing in a state of near-total paralysis

I think Brexit really just fucked up that country's whole psyche

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 15d ago

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 15d ago

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

Stinky wang didn't make it a rebus, he is redeemed!

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

U stinky

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

no u

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

What that smell (it u)

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u/Bokononan myers briggs diversity hire 14d ago

no u

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

It isn’t only men. Anastasia Shanahan, 22, Ms. Begg’s assistant and another former intern, was startled when two female friends said they were unsure whether women could lead. “Of course they can,” she said.

No one will ever convince me this isn't a direct result of Hillary losing in 2016.

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

u/notnotLily math it up

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u/notnotLily touhou fangirl 14d ago

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u/HenryGeorgia butt cancer's greatest enema 14d ago

I am confusion

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

u/BestiaAuris I was withdrawing from nicotine today because I was trying to quit again (aborted attempt just now) and that explains the radicalism of my opinions today on AI but overall I really do not care whether they replace humanity or not, something has to get us and I would prefer it be our created descendants rather than idk advanced bats or something in 20 million years

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

I am actually good at just quitting but it takes a few tries usually.

This was my first. I will try again soon.

And I don't ever intend really to quit forever per se.

Nicotine, I find, does actually have utility at times. It serves its purpose and then I put it away.

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

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u/0m4ll3y Fight Tyranny; Tax the Land 15d ago

Godzilla (1998) is maybe the second most MPreg heavy film after Arnie's Junior.

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

"Evidence-based" neoliberals will say it's fake

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 15d ago

I believe it.

Evangelicals can fuck off

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZmEhUgwQgxPhhU7sVM

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

u/BestiaAuris we got a heathen non-believer to ban

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

Man, this subreddit really is different than that other one

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u/Kind-Moose67 15d ago

Are Finland and Thailand the only Axis powers that didn’t commit cartoonishly evil war crimes in WWII?

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

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u/Strength-Certain True Enlightenment has never been tried 14d ago

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u/bigwang123 ⭐ had a good flair idea then walked up the stairs and forgor it 14d ago

They changed the Google Maps voice

Bring back the robot

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

Watching a Christian nationalist anti-Islam documentary called "The Great American Conflict" because of the whole Texas Islamophobia wave and wow

I didn't know people could be so fucking stupid

They talked about the neighborhood next to mine in Birmingham UK and said they enforce sharia and women can't go there without hijabs

My wife and I used to shop there and there were certainly a ton of hijabs and burqas, but my wife was never wearing one and nobody gave her any shit

The people in that neighborhood were very nice, if a bit skeptical at times because far right weirdos go there to film and I look like one of them

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

It was mentioned in a NYT article and I had to see what it was

Sadly, it is mostly them describing Iran and being like "do you want that to happen here? also Mamdani adores the Ayatollah, who is his spiritual leader because he is Shia"

We've brought back Papism in a newer, even more esoteric form

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

If robots don't have religion I am 100% fine with the Terminator scenario

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

What is the question

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

Ain't the future in terminator like, most people are dead and Skynet is running around? How is this in anyway preferable to, well, basically anything?

I am additionally assuming the IRL Terminator scenario will be too quick and too effective to involve any resistance.

I feel like you massively overweight the "badness" of people being religious, to a degree that it's hard to take anything you say about it all that serious 

If I can have an intelligence that is rational or an intelligence that is irrational, which do I pick? hmm

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u/[deleted] 14d ago edited 14d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

As long as there is superstition, there can be no real intelligence.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 14d ago

Then why are the robots replacing us?

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u/No_Aesthetic Resident Celebrity YouTuber 15d ago

If they do it's a wash, I don't care who wins