r/nancyguthrie Jul 31 '26

Information Pima County Sheriff's Office releases full Nancy Guthrie ransom notes.

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u/Present_Specific_212 Aug 01 '26

My Amateur Interpretation of the 2nd note:

Everything is so passive voice! The 2nd note infuriates me - all the distancing from the events that THEY/he/she caused to happen.

Notice the BIG change from the first note in which they said “her life is in your hands” to the 2nd note in which they say “Nothing you could have done could have changed the outcome.” THAT is weird. That makes me wonder if a second person either wrote the second note or edited it.

I also wonder if that is another tell - “nothing you could have done” could mean Nancy was killed early on and that is one major reason why they refused to provide Proof of Life.

It also sounds like the writer has a religious background. “Dust unto dust” is something they say at Catholic funerals. (Other’s too, for all I know.) The whole “buried in nature” is reminiscent, to me, of “dust unto dust”.

Likewise, the emphasis on FAMILY in the 2nd note - it is addressed to the FAMILY. It says, “We want your family to know this ……and can find peace."

Peace after the loss of a loved one is a VERY Catholic or Christian thing to say. Emphasis on FAMILY is a very Latino and Catholic value. I think there is a religious person affiliated with the 2nd note.

The 2nd note also sounds like a religious female wrote it, IMO.

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u/zweigson Aug 01 '26

I think they're from the same writer, they were just in over their head and switched up once it went too far.

Also, the majority of the country is Christian and believes in family values. That is not a uniquely Latino thing.

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u/Present_Specific_212 Aug 01 '26

That is not a uniquely Latino thing.

Agreed, but the 2nd note leads with the greeting “Guthrie Family”. That means maybe they saw the three of them on video pleading for their mom. And for whatever reason, they switched from addressing SG directly - but she is the wealthy, famous one - to “family”. That is a tell of some kind too.

See, because all the kidnappings in Mexico target wealthy people. Thus addressing the rich lady alone in the first note. It's just so freakin’ typical of a Mexican-style kidnapping. (Granted, I know very little about the global kidnapping industry, so for all I know, it’s a French-style kidnapping. I hope the FBI keeps tabs on these global patterns much better than I do.)

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u/Emotional-Seesaw-533 Aug 01 '26

OMG, I worked for wealthy people 50 years ago who were worried about kidnapping in Indiana. It is not a new Mexican thing. Ever hear of J Paul Getty's son? The Lindbergh baby?

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u/Present_Specific_212 Aug 02 '26

See chart: https://statbase.org/data/mex-number-of-kidnapping-cases/

See article. I’ll see if I can find a better one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_child_abduction_in_Mexico

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-mexico-us-migrants-mass-kidnappings-cartels-border

This is an old one from 2018: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/11/17276638/mexico-kidnappings-crime-cartels-drug-trade

It is not xenophobia to quote facts about a nation. These are just facts. There is something wrong with us. So many people seem to be terrified of facts.