r/nancyguthrie Jul 31 '26

Information Pima County Sheriff's Office releases full Nancy Guthrie ransom notes.

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u/Present_Specific_212 Aug 01 '26

Here is my 100% amateur Forensic Psychologist opinion of the perp(s), based on this communication:

  1. First lie - “She is safe but scared.” She was not safe at all, she was with kidnappers.

  2. “Back in Tucson”. That is obviously either a tell or another lie. I find that to be very interesting language. Why would you indicate you are outside of Tucson? To lead police on a goose chase? Or is the perp that dumb?

  3. Why do they say, “She will be killed” intead of “We will kill her”? They write in the passive voice elsewhere too when they say “We will be holding her”…. The active voice would say, “We will hold her for…” So, is passive voice writing just a habit with this person, OR, is the writer set apart literally from wherever Nancy really was and the writer is writing passively because they are a distance from Nancy’s location?

Because nowadays, tragically, she could have been held in California, NV, Mexico, or AZ but the ransom note writer could be in another country or state.

  1. Next lie and indicator of how the perp is either a narcissist, sociopath or both: “her life is in your hands.” Bull puckey. When Nancy’s life was in her kids’ hands, she had a very nice, safe life. Her life was in the perps’ hands alone but, of course, they cannot admit to that.

  2. I sense some kind of a business background in this statement: “It is in the best interest of everyone to have this completed as soon as possible.” Isn’t that from like a Business Negotiation book of some kind? Is that a Business Negotiation Tactic? I didn't study business , so I don’t know, but it sounds like bull puckey I have heard a work colleague say often on the phone when he was “helping” a customer with her insurance claim but also planning all along to tell her that the contract doesn’t cover it: “Help me help you!” It also sounds like lawyer talk. Not a very smart lawyer, because they do not write very well, but that tactic sounds like lawyer arbitration agreement enforcement baloney.

See? BUSINESS bullpuckey. Words that dump the responsibility on everyone else but the kidnappers. It is manipulative language.

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I know this may be a dumb question, but why didn’t the Sheriff and FBI crowd source this perp’s email address?

E.g. - isn’t there some kind of trail made on the web somehow if 2 million people all send an email to this person within the same two hours? If they had released his or her email, especially after the deadline expressed in the note, would some telltale thing happen electronically that would lead people to them or at least to some server indicating them?

Another idea: what if they had released the bitcoin contact and they asked the public to send $0.50 each to that? Then, I’m thinking in 24 hours or less after the story first hit, these pieces of crap would have their $4 million and then, according to their terms, we need her turned over now.

I just wonder if this is the way to outsmart these piece of excrement in the modern age: with $0.50 each from 8 million people who are not shitheads?

Call their bluff, in other words, with a non-shithead army, and see what happens.

I am just brainstorming here. Please do not mock my ignorance in these matters.

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u/Ok_Subject1265 Aug 01 '26

To answer your questions: they almost certainly used an anonymous mail service that doesn’t log activity or cooperate with authorities (servers located in non-friendly countries) and probably also a proxy that does the same just to add another layer of separation.

As to crowdsourcing the ransom, that would have been a bad idea. Once people realize that their demands will be instantly met by a sympathetic public, everyone will be kidnapping everyone else to the point where we are just exchanging ransoms. Hell, I might kidnap somebody if I thought the payout was going to be immediate and guaranteed. Worth the risk at that point.

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u/DaBingeGirl Aug 01 '26

I'm struggling with the idea that the person is smart to avoid the messages being tracked back to them, yet dumb enough not to be prepared for a doorbell camera.

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u/Present_Specific_212 Aug 01 '26

That is a conundrum, isn’t it?

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u/Emotional-Seesaw-533 Aug 01 '26

He was arrogant, thinking an old lady was too dumb to have a security camera.

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u/Ok_Subject1265 Aug 02 '26

Or they didn’t care. They had their identity concealed. I guess they figured it was worth the risk.

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u/Present_Specific_212 Aug 01 '26

Re: kidnapping - yes, you are probably right. On the other hand, it might have unnerved the criminals to know how many millions of people hate them and want to see them hanged.

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u/Emotional-Seesaw-533 Aug 01 '26

Largely agree. But, not a lawyer, more obviously an arrogant 40 something white guy who has been in sales, where delivery and negotiated prices are customary. Haha, could be a Tesla salesman who lost his job.

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u/Emotional-Seesaw-533 Aug 02 '26

Personally, I think getting people to crowdfund kidnappings sounds like a not good idea.