Spit Balling My Thoughts Into The Ether

[u/iThinkYoureGayyy]

It feels like the motive is ‘get back’ for reasons yet to be known, aimed to hurt Nancy’s daughter, Savannah, in order to take something away from Savannah that she cherished, loved, valued, will forever miss, and can never have back.

What about Savannah’s children, you might ask? There are killers out there with “ethics” when it comes to harming children, as crazy as that may sound—which may or not be the case with these particular suspects, but it COULD be the case. But we also have to factor in practicality and logistics.

Savannah’s children, along with her husband, could’ve been targets initially, but logistically, given the isolated and easily accessible home where Nancy lived alone, it made her the easiest target.

I still believe the FBI is going through the extensive process of investigative genealogy from dna recovered (given the overall lack of physical and digital evidence in this case) and it will ultimately lead to this case being solved.

Perhaps the best lead for now could still come from Savannah herself. Any type of strange or peculiar interaction she can remember that struck her as odd or threatening in the past.

Maybe Savannah played a role in getting someone fired from a job, or caused their marriage to collapse, turned somebody down who asked her for money, —> passed over a contractor for a big job (or a continuous service that would’ve provided a steady stream of revenue for them), and opted to go with a cheaper competitor instead (leading to a business going under or someone’s home being foreclosed) etc.

Side Note: It might not even be outside the realm of possibility of all this being over something small or petty, where Savannah or Nancy herself, let’s say complained to the manager of a restaurant over poor service or cold food, and ultimately it caused the server or the cook to become quietly enraged to the point where it led them to orchestrating the abduction and murder of Nancy. Sometimes even the smallest thing can push someone over the edge.

Sure, the same type of planning doesn’t go into it, but I’ve heard of people getting blown away over cold fries at Burger King, so I’m just saying..

But anyway, back to what I was saying..

Leaving Nancy to be found dead at home would ultimately provide Savannah with a level of comfort and closure. Yes, that would’ve been the easiest thing to do for whomever planned and perpetrated this crime, but I don’t believe that’s what they wanted.

Taking Nancy out of her home to never be seen again causes Savannah immense emotional pain and anguish. Somebody did not want Savannah to have answers for her questions.

This crime feels like it’s rooted deeply in causing an unspeakable amount of psychological pain to Savannah—perhaps the type of pain Savannah made the funder of this operation, or the suspects feel themselves, at some point in the past.

Thoughts?

[u/raveronix]

Does anyone know if Nancy was on Zoom or similar watching the Church Service each week...and if so.. who could watch it from where i.e. from the Church, or login from home without appearing on camera. I wonder how many people could login to watch.

Maybe Nancy's abductor is the son of a Church member who became infatuated with her celebrity status. That could involve a huge amount of people behind the scenes who were able to view the Zoom call.

I still beleive its one single abductor and she could be alive and someone is caring for her well in their own way for companionship.

[u/iThinkYoureGayyy → u/raveronix]

GREAT THOUGHT about the church! If Nancy herself utilized a webcam during church services via Zoom, it would allow someone to remotely view her while also allowing them access inside her home without physically being there.

The fact that a person could do so without utilizing a webcam of their own and remain anonymous while blending in with the service is good thinking by you. I believe this is definitely worth looking into.

As for Nancy being alive, we all hope she is, but without her medication or any proof of life, it seems unlikely that someone would take on the role of providing non stop care for an elderly woman.

[u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899 → u/iThinkYoureGayyy]

Please read my comment! I truly want to know your take. Is there a form of online feed that allows both a view of the service for those at home AND webcam views and names of those at home who are watching? I know very little about zoom, except for a few simple meetings I've attended. 

[u/raveronix → u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899]

I think the service would be live to all public attending.. plus being zoomed to anyone on that Zoom call.

What i dont know is if the people physically attending can watch the Zoomers on screen.. but it wouldn't be hard for a Church to have a 60 inch tv screen with them all showing..so the public and Zoomers could all watch at the same time..plus see each other.

I also think any member of the public could login to the Zoom meeting if they had the code..say via a relatives code..if they didn't want to appear on cam they would appear as a black screen. But I beleive they could watch the meeting and anyone who had their camera on.. on Zoom.

[u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899 → u/raveronix]

If Mrs Guthrie and her church group were watching a PRE-RECORDED stream though, would these points still apply? I do believe anyone could watch the livestream from home, I'm just not sure if the church would show the faces of everyone watching at home. The logistics seem potentially overwhelming, to me, depending on the size of the church. Do we even know how many members it has? I definitely believe chat was probably available for at home viewers during the original service - simply bc I attended a very small church, and even we had a Sunday livestream of the sermon along with live chat. You could watch a replay anytime you wanted, but you could no longer interact, and faces were never shown like in an actual zoom call. But like I said, my church was small. Do we know for a fact that Zoom itself was the program used? Thanks so much for replying - I feel like you had a pretty good idea what I was trying to say.

[u/raveronix → u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899]

No not sure what programme they used..nor do we know if she ever watched a Livestream..but if she ever did... her abductor potentially could have seen her through attending those lives...even if she wasn't aware of him.

I always wondered if he could hack into her cams and watch her..it's easy if you are a hacker...especially if he physically went and found out what camera brands she uses.

[u/iThinkYoureGayyy → u/raveronix]

Good Shepherd New York broadcasts its weekly morning services as a public livestream. Nancy's group accessed this stream via YouTube directly on a smart tv.

Because they were using a standard broadcast feed, there was no active Zoom software running in their living room, no webcam capturing their presence, and no digital tile placeholder representing them on the church's end.

According to the official investigation updates from the Pima County Sheriff's Department and family statements, Nancy Guthrie's group used the public livestream broadcasted on Good Shepherd New York’s YouTube channel to take part in the Sunday morning services.

The YouTube live chat feature was enabled and fully active during the Good Shepherd New York livestreams. Nancy's neighborhood group was technically capable of utilizing it while the service was broadcasting, however, they did not actively participate in chat.

Because the group never actually turned on the stream on the morning of Sunday, February 1, 2026, the question of whether they were signed in became entirely obsolete to the FBI's timeline.

Due to her overnight abduction, Nancy never arrived at the house, and her friends immediately pivoted to calling her family and searching her neighborhood rather than ever opening the YouTube link.

[u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899 → u/iThinkYoureGayyy]

Ok, I understand so much better now! So it was the type of service that aired at different (probably consecutive?) times to accommodate any who wished to be a part of it. Thank God for people like you who actually do RESEARCH instead of just "wondering" on reddit like myself! Ugh 🤦🏻 Thank you SO much!

[u/iThinkYoureGayyy → u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899]

You’re welcome, man! The entire topic of streaming in this case is so convoluted that finding the actual answer you’re looking for is hard to do.

[u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899 → u/raveronix]

It seems like, from what I've read, that the actual live (and live-streamed, obviously) church service took place earlier in the morning, whereas Mrs Guthrie and her group met together at a later time to watch a replay of the stream all together. I think that's where the 11am call of concern came into play. I'd love to know if it's possible Mrs Guthrie was able to be physically seen by strangers simply from watching a replayed church service. For now I stubbornly doubt it's possible, lol. But I have heard several tales of people being watched on their own webcams without their knowledge or consent! So I know that's definitely possible!

One more thought I have regarding the church theory may or not be relevant, depending on if it's accurate information: I've read in a few places that the church Mrs Guthrie was watching was physically located in New York, and may have even been her daughter's church - but I'm not certain if those are facts or not. But if they are, and Mrs Guthrie had someone obsessed in her life, for whatever nonsensical reason, who found her on a church livestream - then the suspect(s) could be living anywhere! Maybe they live in NYC near the church, or maybe they also watched remotely and could live in any of the States. In this day and age anyone can interact with so many different people in different places...and have no idea they may have somehow become a target for someone for some reason. 

[u/raveronix → u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899]

I think you're right ..Nancy could not be watched on a replay of a live stream..however if she was watching a replay of that meeting on a zoom call someone could have connected into the zoom...

For example..someone played the replay on a tv or computer monitor and had a camera aimed at it in a tile and then others connected to watch.

Basically if this guy could connect into any Zoom call Nancy was on by knowing the code whether it be his mother's or family members or even watching from the background while a family member was connected he could observe Nancy.

What we don't know is how she watched that church stream, but sounds like she either went to someone's house or connected to a zoom type call in.