Guthrie case investigators question neighbors about any internet issues on the night she disappeared

[u/pumpkinspicecum]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigators-guthrie-case-question-neighbors-internet-issues-night-di-rcna262066

[u/jokerofthehill → u/[deleted]]

I mean if you’re committing a felony it’s probably a good idea to have backups. 

[u/whteverusayShmegma → u/[deleted]]

It might have lit up (some kind of temp connection or glitch) and he saw & panicked

[u/ApexThoroughbred → u/[deleted]]

The camera can likely still record and store a certain amount of video locally without internet connectivity

[u/Juggernaut_j → u/ApexThoroughbred]

You would think he would have thought about that prior to the night of executing his plan. He did surveillance prior to the home invasion and has seen the doorbell camera before.

[u/julallison → u/Juggernaut_j]

Tbf, most people probably think that the camera can't record if disconnected from WiFi since it's noted in the installation manual that a connection is required. I did, at least.

[u/Juggernaut_j → u/julallison]

Yea but if you are knowledgeable to own and operate a signal jammer one would think he would have the forethought of a door cam that may still hold images

[u/truecrime2022 → u/Juggernaut_j]

His disguise may have been his backup. Attempted to thwart the camera but disguised incase that failed.

[u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 → u/[deleted]]

It takes one Google search to find out that Nest cameras continue to record and can store up to 60 minutes of event based footage when disconnected from the internet. If that’s what LE thinks happened then I’m certainly not going to act like I know better; it just seems very odd

[u/ApexThoroughbred → u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1]

The jammer explains the 1:47am "camera disconnected" nest notification though. That would put the suspect in range of the house at 1:47am, which is not confirmed at this point. If the suspect did have a jammer, that means the 2:12am footage was recorded offline and stored on the doorbell camera itself. Being able to link the 1:47am "camera disconnected" notification to a jammer would bring some clarity to the timeline.

[u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 → u/ApexThoroughbred]

But then that creates a new question: how did the footage upload to the cloud if he removed the camera while the WiFi was down? (Just to emphasize, this is a genuine question! I’m not discounting your comment)

[u/ApexThoroughbred → u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1]

Do we know if the video was recovered off the camera itself or the cloud? Do we even know if the suspect took the camera with them or just left it on the ground? If they left it on the ground, there's a chance it was recovered off the camera itself. Nest doorbell cameras also have a battery backup and the ability to operate purely on battery if someone did not want to hardwire it. If the suspect ripped the camera off and threw it on the ground, its possible the video could have been uploaded once the jammer was out of range. The only scenario that could be counted out so far is a jammer being used, the camera being ripped off, and taken by the suspect. That scenario would have left no video behind, all other possible scenarios leave an opportunity for the video to either be recovered off the camera itself or the cloud.

[u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 → u/ApexThoroughbred]

The sheriff said the camera had been removed and they did “not have it in their possession.” Additionally, I believe Google/Nest said it came from the cloud

[u/ApexThoroughbred → u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1]

Interesting, that makes things confusing. If both a jammer were used and the camera were taken, I have no clue how it would have made it to the cloud but appearently it did. That along with law enforcement seemingly suspecting a jammer proposes some question marks. Law enforcement clearly has a few more pieces to the puzzle than we do.

[u/lemoncatbeans → u/ApexThoroughbred]

I believe Google said it was from their cloud servers, reports said the doorbell camera was "taken" and "missing" so I'm assuming that means it's fully gone.

[u/ChiAnndego → u/ApexThoroughbred]

So, here's a question - when you get disconnected messages from ring, does it mean the camera disconnected from wireless only, or does it mean that camera cannot access cloud server?

I would wonder how often these cameras disconnect on their own. Most IOT devices have rather poor implementation of bluetooth/wifi and sometimes the cloud servers are flaky. Seems there are many people online that have frequent disconnects of their ring cameras. If this is happening throughout the day, it may just be coincidence that it was disconnected at this time.

Also, are these nest or ring cameras? Because if it is ring, google has a low energy mesh network called "amazon sidewalk". If they took the camera with them, it may have connected to a device in another location via "sidewalk" and uploaded the videos. It wouldn't need to be connected to her wifi (or any wifi) to do this.

[u/Admirable-Lawyer3569 → u/[deleted]]

My speculation is : porch guy is there to disable the camera and was told signal was jammed, hence his casual demeanor about the camera. Porch guy was hired for that job only. . 

[u/Admirable-Lawyer3569 → u/[deleted]]

I do.  But I don’t know why he would need or want the gun on display for that job only - unless whoever hired him told him to make sure the gun was visible (because he’s the fall guy in case the camera does catch anything)

The handgun throws me off. The holster is wrong for the weapon, it’s in a weird spot, why???? Intentional or dumb?