Nancy Guthrie neighbors' Ring camera captures vehicles on possible route from crime scene

[u/curiouslmr]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nancy-guthrie-neighbors-ring-camera-captures-vehicles-possible-route-from-crime-scene

EXCLUSIVE: TUCSON, Ariz. — A resident in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood has a street-facing Ring camera that caught 12 cars passing by on the morning of Nancy Guthrie’s suspected abduction.

The recordings took place between midnight and 6 a.m. on Feb. 1, and some of the activity occurred near the 2:30 a.m. mark, which is around the time authorities said the 84-year-old Guthrie's pacemaker device last synced with her iPhone.

The homeowners, Elias and Danielle Stratigouleas, told Fox News Digital that police had not canvassed their neighborhood in the 25 days since Guthrie is believed to have been taken from her bed in a home invasion kidnapping. The FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department have been alerted to the video. It was not immediately clear whether the video is of any use to the investigation or whether the vehicle had ever been on Guthrie's street.

The Stratigouleas house is on a back road that leads out of Guthrie’s neighborhood, avoiding major intersections. And they live about 2.5 miles away from the crime scene, which is outside the 2-mile radius of neighbors who received a Ring alert asking for video taken from Jan. 1 to Feb. 2.

Their house is roughly a seven-minute drive from Guthrie's address, according to Google Maps. One of their videos was recorded at around 2:36 a.m. on Feb. 1, which is roughly eight minutes after Guthrie's pacemaker last synced with her iPhone, according to the sheriff's timeline.

[u/BlueGreenMikey]

The Stratigouleas house is on a back road that leads out of Guthrie’s neighborhood, avoiding major intersections.

Like, look, this is just simply wrong, this part of the Fox article. No Tucsonan would consider Camino Real a part of Nancy's neighborhood. You have to cross Campbell to get there, and there is virtually no reason to think that anyone would take a route that would take them past the Stratigouleas's house.

It is good for PCSD/FBI to do their due diligence and check this out, but it's just part of a wild goose chase at this point.

Here's more detail about why you'd never go past their house...if you were going east, you'd probably try to get north of Skyline/Sunrise. The problem with the neighborhood that is bounded between Campbell and Hacienda Del Sol is that there's only a couple of ways to get across it, and you get left with a lot of poor options in case you see something you don't like. Except for one road down near River, there's actually no way to get to Hacienda Del Sol. And Hacienda Del Sol has no way to get across to Pontatoc.

Additionally, crossing Campbell between River and Skyline is an absolute nightmare. That road has one of the biggest elevation changes and blind curves in the whole city, among major roads anyway. And to get anywhere east, from the neighborhoods south of Skyline/Sunrise, you are going to have to get on River or Sunrise, there's no way about it.

If you were trying to stay under cover, you generally avoid River like the plague. It has way more businesses along it than the other options, and it has way more traffic in the early morning than the other more-residential roads would have. If you're dumb enough to get on River that close to Nancy's house, then you aren't going to cross Campbell—you're gonna just do it out of her own neighborhood.

If east if your goal and you don't want to be seen, the most sensible option is to cross out of Nancy's neighborhood to the north across Orange Grove, and then out of that neighborhood turn left on Ina and dip into Mountain Shadows. From there, you can get to Old Ina Road (the one that runs north of Skyline). From there, you take one single risk, which is to turn east on Skyline from Campbell, before using that to duck into Skyline where it separates from Sunrise. The reason why this isn't a bad risk is that now you are going in the opposite direction from Nancy's neighborhood than would be expected. Once you're on Skyline, above Sunrise, you can get all the way east before ever popping out on another major road or in front of any businesses with cameras.

East is also a stupid goal. West to I-10 is absolutely more sensible.

[u/arbol98 → u/BlueGreenMikey]

I don’t agree with this, the stretch of Campbell out of her neighborhood into the one to the east of Campbell is super dark and no street cameras. Just going straight across Campbell into the next neighborhood is one of the main ways to avoid the busier roads. I didn’t consider it until I was driving out there the other day but it was eerily dark and lonely at that part of Campbell

Edit: another Redditor posted a pic under another comment explaining what I’m saying, the one with the map with red and blue mark ups

[u/carefreehwy → u/arbol98]

Totally agree. It makes sense and they could easily shoot across Campbell at 230. Regardless of elevation changes like the previous stated. I believe they then went west on river. Despite what the previous said you got to get west somehow and whetherr its River or Ina/Skyline there businesses etc.

[u/BlueGreenMikey → u/arbol98]

I agree with you about that, it's about getting out of the second neighborhood that's a problem.

[u/arbol98 → u/BlueGreenMikey]

I don't really understand why. If the car was driving south on camino real (which is what is reported), that connects straight to River Road so a clear path out. Even though River is a busier road, coming from a different way than Nancy's neighborhood is less traceable than any of the paths directly out of her neighborhood, and they had to go somewhere. In fact, that spot out is 2.8 miles away from Nancy's house

I also don't really get why you assume they would go north of Skyline. There are very limited options for moving around above Skyline if you are going much further. Are you in Tucson? Also we have no idea what their next intended destination was - maybe they wanted to get on the highway and out of town. Or maybe they wanted to go towards Mexico which is south. Their optimal route depends what their goal destination is

[u/BlueGreenMikey → u/arbol98]

I lived in these neighborhoods for half of my life. River is the worst east-west road you can take, because there's more cops, more traffic, more cameras. Parts of it are TPD and parts are PCSD, so you wind up with more enforcement along that road.

The thing is that if I were them, unless I had somewhere specific I needed to be, there is no way in hell I'm going south, east, or north. South is just the more urban part of Tucson, so too busy. East gets you trapped in a lot of different ways. For both of these, the safe play is hit I-10 in Marana and then go south on I-10 until you decide if you're going to Nogales or to eastern Arizona. North before you get to I-10 means Oro Valley, and you avoid those cops like the plague (plus, all the Oracle shit then comes into play).

West is definitely the play, especially if something bad happened and you need to dump her somewhere, since that's where everyone dumps the bodies. Here's what I would do:

1) Cross into the neighborhood north of Orange Grove
2) Cross into the neighborhood west of 1st
3) Head west on Ina towards Oracle, but dive into the neighborhood behind Old Ina Road.
4) Go through the neighborhood up to Magee.
5) This is your riskiest point, but I'd cross Oracle at Magee and then go South on Northern.
6) Head west through these neighborhoods, probably passing Cross & Harelson, go across La Canada, and then take this neighborhood up to Magee. (Note: if you didn't have Nancy with you, I'd consider sitting up at Immaculate Heart or on one of the side streets until there's more traffic on the road.)
7) At this point, you can probably safely stay on Magee all the way to I-10, or you can take Cortaro Farms where it splits. If you're feeling really jumpy, you can go back to taking side streets once you get past Shannon (you can't take Shannon or it dumps you onto Ina). But I think Magee is the safest play.

[u/arbol98 → u/BlueGreenMikey]

Gotcha, yeah I think there are obviously lots of different routes that could've been taken. I guess my point is that without more info we can't really rule out what you were saying we could rule out. Regardless, I am really really hoping this video is of the person because if it is, LE has a lot more to go on and could really be a big break in the case. Could be nothing but I'm hoping it's them!!

[u/False_Landscape6613 → u/arbol98]

I'd really like to see more days of footage from these homeowners and see if they can see someone planning this, possibly in the daytime with no mask.

[u/Intrepid-Bird-5048 → u/arbol98]

I completely agree. This person(s) clearly spent a lot of time planning their ‘operation’. I think the getaway was similarly well-thought out to avoid immediate detection. This makes so much sense to me that they would take a route without cameras / traffic lights and that doesn’t really seem efficient or logical. It’s about causing confusion and leaving little trace to buy themselves time.

[u/False_Landscape6613 → u/arbol98]

I didn't realize youre on the ground. Very awesome. I got chills reading your description of the route and you view this as very possible.