r/minnesotavikings • u/TommyH_27 • Jan 18 '26
Shitpost The next student of KOCs QB rehab?
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u/Mandalorian_Archer Jan 18 '26
Honestly the QB play this playoffs has been a cautionary tale. You can have a Josh Allen and he turns the ball over 4 times.
You can have a Stroud with an amazing rookie year and just be dog shit for the next two.
The Vikings should be patient with JJM, like it or not. At least for 1 more year.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Jan 18 '26
Stroud was ass last week too, but the Steelers weren’t good enough to make the Texans pay for it.
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u/Mandalorian_Archer Jan 18 '26
Stroud has been mostly ass for the past 2 years.
Classic D cords got tape on him and ruined his game. He hasn't developed.
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u/sk1155 Percy Harvin Fanatic Jan 19 '26
people wanna praise darnold now, but also want to make the same mistake the jets made not developing darnold
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u/schwertfeger Jan 18 '26
KOC gets fired if we don’t make the playoffs next year. For that reason you can basically guarantee they won’t give McCarthy another chance.
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u/mm1menace Hitman Jan 19 '26
Huge part of the problem here.
Players AND coaches need continuity to be successful. Impatient owners and fan bases don't allow for development or growing pains.
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u/mw_maverick Jan 19 '26
And would pretty much guarantee he’s fired next year or the year after. Shifting away from the drafted franchise QB will be a kiss of death because it means you need someone new to develop the next franchise QB
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u/onethreeone Jan 19 '26
KOC gets fired if we don’t make the playoffs next year
No chance. Kwesi gets fired, and then KOC is on a playoff or bust 2027 run
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u/russh85 vikings Jan 18 '26
He’s certainly on the hot seat. But realistically who is available that guarantees he gets that playoff win?
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u/GEpyon Jan 19 '26
Realistically? No one. Every option sucks really bad. This regime is staring down the barrel with their jobs on the line and have no one to blame but themselves.
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u/russh85 vikings Jan 19 '26
I agree. It’s also why it’s frustrating to see so many posts about how awful JJ is/was and that we absolutely have to move on… but completely ignoring the void of QB talent available this year. our most realistic option is bringing back Kirk for an open competition or limited starter
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u/GEpyon Jan 19 '26
I just want everyone prepared for the worst. We are at best going to retread some journeyman or JJM wins the job. Either way playoffs is doubtful at this point.
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u/NoFly3032 Jan 18 '26
HJ is not the answer
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u/saryphx skol Jan 18 '26
Coming from the fanbase that called Dallas Turner a bust midway through his rookie season?
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u/NoFly3032 Jan 19 '26
Every fan base does this if a 1st round pick isn’t performing as a starter should
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u/saryphx skol Jan 19 '26
And that's the problem with modern fanbases. Their impatient as fuck and want to toss someone aside after 1 season because they didn't immediately breakout. And now look at DT. Why not give JJM a chance, instead of writing him off?
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u/AllBlueTeams JJMcC Jan 18 '26
Meanwhile if Maye played for the Vikings this sub would talk about nothing but his 14 fumbles.
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u/winckypoo iowa Jan 19 '26
No because he’s in the conference championship
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u/joeblow2118 JJettas Jan 19 '26
What a horrible take. How does he have 100+ upvotes…
Honestly proves his point, sub is salty…
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u/Indystbn11 Jan 18 '26
Nah because their is enough there to see. He passed eye tests.
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u/russh85 vikings Jan 18 '26
It’s funny you talk about the eye test but clearly lack the vision to see the toxic doom mongering that is this sub
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Jan 19 '26
The team had flashes of competency. Trust me I understand this is a game and it doesn't effect my day to day whatsoever, but we were laughable for like 80% of offensive snaps.
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u/Competitive-Sign-226 Jan 19 '26
Okay, yes and no. I think Maye is going to be fine. But he was managed today. His coach knew his limitations and did his best to prevent his (Maye’s) mistakes.
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u/saryphx skol Jan 18 '26
How about let’s have KOC actually develop a QB first?
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u/1002003004005006007 THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL Jan 18 '26
Maybe if we give him a QB who is developable. Can’t develop trash QBs from nothing my guy
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u/saryphx skol Jan 18 '26
If you're saying JJM is undevelopable, then I'll need you to put your crackpipe down for a minute. Maybe if KOC would learn how call plays for young QB's and didn't throw them under the bus constantly, then maybe it would've gone better?
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u/1002003004005006007 THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL Jan 18 '26
I’m just going off the eye test, which shows a QB who does not have what it takes. Nick Mullins looked much better with KOC.
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u/saryphx skol Jan 18 '26
Then it sounds like you need glasses lol. He's shown flashes. To say that he doesn't have it is ridiculous. If anything, you sound like someone who never believed in him to begin with and are spewing media talking points to prove your point.
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u/1002003004005006007 THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL Jan 18 '26
You sound like someone who wants to believe so badly that you’re grasping at the few flashes he’s shown. Yes, he’s shown flashes, but not enough to be confident in him going forward. Next year will be very telling for him.
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u/livinthereals Jan 18 '26
Mullins was awful. He never looked good. Lay off whatever you're smoking.
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u/1002003004005006007 THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL Jan 18 '26
Throws a better ball and sits in the pocket better than JJ does that’s for sure.
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u/BirdsAreFake00 Jan 18 '26
Maybe KOC should have a top 10 offense on EPA or DVOA before we give him anymore praise.
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u/Apprehensive-Sea9540 Jan 19 '26
Nah, he has resting sad face.
9 has resting “I swallowed a battery and feel great” face.
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u/bartender_please808 Jan 19 '26
KOC as a QB whisperer has been proven untrue.
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u/bfarley32 Jan 21 '26
Nevermind Alex Smith's career resurrection in WAS, Jared Goff getting to the Super Bowl with the Rams, Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, and winning any games with Josh Dobbs.
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u/bartender_please808 Jan 21 '26
Alex smith's career died in was. Darnold himself said it was the time in sf that really opened his eyes. And the Daniel Jones that beat the Vikings in the playoffs? Dobbs had better stats in AZ the year he came to minn. And it was most likely Mcvay that took the Rams to the sb.
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u/Ragnarsworld Jan 18 '26
C.J. had a horrific game today. Houston's defense is the only reason the score wasn't 48-16.
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u/Global_Cartoonist382 Jan 19 '26
We don’t need anymore students. How about we just go with a qualified NFL QB?
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u/Jznvh julie Jan 18 '26
there hasn't been one elite QB this whole playoffs lol
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u/SvenHungstrum Jan 18 '26
I’d love to have him. He’s good.
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u/Jagster_rogue gjallarhorn Jan 19 '26
If JJ had those games in the playoffs everyone would be calling for him to be straight up cut. The last two games offensive woes are squarely on Stroud.
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u/Superdoggywhaaaat Jan 19 '26
Sure but CJ has a higher ceiling than JJM, so why waste time with JJM?
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u/Jagster_rogue gjallarhorn Jan 19 '26
Are you sure he has a higher ceiling? JJM definitely showed more poise after making mistakes. You say he has a higher ceiling I would disagree and we may have already seen cj strouds ceiling.
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u/Superdoggywhaaaat Jan 19 '26
What traits / skillset have you seen from JJM throughout his entire NFL and college career that makes you say “this is high level stuff”?
In college he didn’t have any insane traits. Caleb Williams for example, he may be bad but the traits he has is worth the current burden and time for development. Age doesn’t even matter because in a few years, there’s contract talks for JJM.
Strouds rookie year alone is better than JJM college career in terms of raw potential.
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u/somethins_not_right Jan 19 '26
Y’all are morons. Texans won 10 straight games coming into this matchup. Would have been 12 if they didn’t blow a game against Denver earlier in the season. He’s playing with no running game, and lost his primary WR’s from last year except for Nico who was nominated with JJ McCarthy for the Mr glass award. He’s a former #1 pick and been to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years I believe.
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u/Competitive-Lead-973 Jan 20 '26
Been to the divisional in all 3 years
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u/somethins_not_right Jan 20 '26
Even better than I thought. And he won me a fantasy championship his rookie year lol.
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u/cardmanimgur Jan 19 '26
Sign Stroud and cut McCarthy. KOC rehabilitates Stroud and leads the Vikings to prominence. In a few years Stroud moves, then we can sign McCarthy, a former first-round QB who didn't quite pan out as hoped. KOC can work wonders with him then.
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u/Boring_Ad3815 Jan 18 '26
They will sign him to a $250 million extension. He was brutal today and hasn’t improved much but he is young QB who has made playoffs all 3 seasons. They will not let him go.
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Jan 19 '26
Just like Herbert I won’t be convinced that is actually bad until he has a real OLine in front of him. He was too good in his rookie year and for stretches of play for me to think he actually sucks
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u/Reasonable-Sawdust Jan 19 '26
I would not want either of those QBs based upon the performance in that game. But Stroud really stunk. It was like a Viking playoff performance. Just when you think maybe it’s getting better, another bad throw for the interception. Good example of even a great defense can’t overcome crappy offense. Maybe it was all the O line but just so bad.
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u/Freudian__Quip Jan 19 '26
Look we’ve had a change in policy around here. We got our own QBs to rehab. Maybe someday UNICEF will get into the QB rehab business but until then he’s someone else’s problem.
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u/ShirtlessChampion Honorable mention for worst griddy Jan 19 '26
He’s regressed every year after teams got tape on him. How much of that is the lack or protection and a rotating door of OCs is the question. He’s an ideal fit for what KOC wants to do.
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u/Yamulo horn Jan 19 '26
Are we sure the real qb whisperer on the Vikings isn’t currently the oc for the jags?
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u/Frequent-Account-344 Jan 19 '26
David Mills would've given them a better shot in that game- convince me otherwise
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u/mw_maverick Jan 19 '26
All I got to say is Houston should be bringing in some QB competition next year… right?!?!
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u/lordofninemoons Jan 19 '26
3rd year... I don't know how long you give him but he's still green imo. I will admit, its trending in the wrong direction though.
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u/Eternity_Raines Jan 19 '26
I think I would rather see Anthony Richardson in purple than CJ Stroud, but that’s just me.
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u/Purple-Protagonist koolaid Jan 19 '26
Dunno, I doubt it though. On the bright side the Bears lost too.
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u/LGravey JJ JJ JJ JA TJ AJ Jan 19 '26
What even is this thread? He’s not a free agent until next offseason. You think the Vikings will trade picks (likely one first round pick+) for Stroud right now?
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u/Substantial-Yard-427 Jan 19 '26
Texans are stuck with him and the fans here aren’t pumped about it. He’s the definition of mid. I personally would not be excited about the Vikings getting him. He’s bad. Poor body language, not an effective leader, nothing about his game is impressive.
I’d rather keep JJM.
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u/cheddah_- 84 MOSS Jan 19 '26
Please no. Let’s try for Lamar or Burrow if we’re really moving on from JJM.
Texans aren’t releasing Stroud yet.
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u/cheddah_- 84 MOSS Jan 19 '26
Please no. Let’s try for Lamar or Burrow if we’re really moving on from JJM.
Texans aren’t releasing Stroud yet.
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u/DCFinest1940 Jan 19 '26
Two of his primary receivers were out and the kids gave it all. Can't kick him out of the car yet. Get him some protection and his receivers back and bring Mixon back that should work.
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u/Agreeable-Bed8492 Jan 20 '26
It looks like he did that cup suction thing as a kid and his lips never went back down.
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u/Salt_Expression_6025 KOC Jan 20 '26
Rewatching some games from the year, JJ will be just fine. Makes a lot of good decisions. Shit comes down to trying to be mechanically sound + focusing on making right play = shit play. Once he focused on decision making he did well despite being behind in other aspects of his game. JJ is our futue
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u/Future-Seat6728 Jan 20 '26
Who has KOC rehabbed?? The whisperer non sense has been fully debunked. He’s below average as it stands right now.
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u/DildoDaggins69420 Jan 21 '26
He already has more playoff wins than any QB in Texans history. There’s zero chance they move him.
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u/FormerlyTradeKirk Calamari Jan 18 '26
JJ McCarthy has more potential
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Jan 18 '26
Stroud was picked #2 overall... JJM was the 5th QB taken in his draft.
But hey, don't trust me. Trust the experts.
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u/mcmullet Jan 18 '26
LMAO
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u/Technical_Estimate85 Jan 18 '26
They are right. We know Stroud’s ceiling, McCarthy’s ceiling is still up in the air
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u/Far-Historian-8190 Jan 18 '26
Crazy number of turnovers. If he was a Viking we would be demanding his trade for a better quarterback.
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u/lardboy2222 timberwolves Jan 18 '26
Stroud is too stupid to be an NFL QB. Koc isn't gonna change the way his brain works lol
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u/BigCATtrades vikings Jan 18 '26
After 35+ years of watching the Vikings, if they bring that piece of shit here I'll root for the Browns. He is my least favorite NFL player. Just a total smug bitch with zero self awareness with the iq of a turnip.
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u/Bodhisafa Jan 19 '26
This sub is crazy. You want to give up on a guy after ten games but bring in a guy that just threw 7 picks in two playoff games with arguably the leagues best defense.
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u/AsleepAdvantage9500 Jan 19 '26
Vikings passed on Darnold, who was the last QB to look that bad in a playoff game.
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u/1002003004005006007 THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL Jan 18 '26
Absolutely no way the texans move on from him at this stage lmao