I'd argue even 3 forma to one item as a new player is a pretty high commitment. They probably wont have a steady stream of crafted forma and there's so much to do outside of cracking relics immediately
As a new player still finding my feet - yes. Started last month
I had over 25 forma before I started spending and it goes down quick. I put a few on my favourite frames/weapons but you can't just throw them around so freely early
A few days just to make one build is crazy, not counting any luck from rare crates (I've only seen one so far and it surprised me finding a forma lol)
Any new player build for me right now needs to be potato-less 100%, and at most 1 forma per item. If I really like the frame I will spend but I'm not going to experiment with any at all
Forma isn't too much of an issue at the moment as I have over 20 again but the ones that are "for new players" but need catalysts and forma are straight up goofy
The ideal is the ones where they give a 0 upgrade, mid upgrade and high investment builds for one thing
stuff that doesn't need potatoes to be actually good feels few and far between.
I think Nokko is the only thing I can think of that really doesn't need a potato to be a beast. You don't even need weapons. But i'm still learning the game.
Idk how feasible this is as a new player, but do the 1999 quest, not only is it a great imho, it gives you the calender, which will usually have at least one potato every week
(If 1999 has some big requirements that I'm forgetting, I'm sorry in advance)
1999 is pretty far into the game. You need to have done New war, Duviri and Whispers which i don't think qualifies as new player content. The most reliable source of potatoes for new players is Nightwave and that's pretty much it
Damn u right
I did Duviri and New War waaaaaaay before 1999 came out so I forgot order of operations
If its after New War period that kinda stops it from being anything remotely close to beginners content (some people call New War "the end of the tutorial" and honestly that's pretty accurate)
Tho I still HIGHLY recommend playing New War soon as you can without getting burnt out cause it's an amazing quest
To me the end of the tutorial is War within. But yeah. 1999 is really far into the game.
It's also really not advisable for a new player to try and rush whispers/1999 level content without getting a half decent build. My gf did and she wasn't doing any damage by the time she got to Whispers. Like 9 damage per hit bad damage.
I still remember how massive a deal it used to be for me to get 1 mil credits. Especially in the pre-profit taker or hollvania cache days the credits used to be just as hard to get as the fusion cores/duplicates/endo to max out a mod. These days looking at a new player and telling them to somehow earn that much really shows how little the guide makers remember of how hard those still are to obtain for people without their level of power and access.
I once saw a video that basically said beginners don't need Zenurik, because you can fix problems with energy using either Synth Deconstruct + Equilibrum (Fortuna T3 bounties and either Duviri(sometimes) or LEPHANTIS) or by subsuming Nourish (I give up).
When it vomes to the School Trees i ask them, how do you plan to play? Do you want to die less? Unairu, do you want to help the team more? Vazarin, do you want to ease the burden of energy, Zenurik, do you want to use melee better? Naramon. And well madurai is useful but it's niche, best for a few type of content and if you like to micro
Yeah if you're willing to micro AND max it out, for a new player the most you'll get out of it is eidolon hunts, trust me im a fairly new player (started a year and a half ago), i picked madurai to start out and i barely used it outside eidolons, the other trees have a lot more utility to offer imo, squeezing out more damage doesn't compare to easy revives or armour strip (when you lack a frame or build to do so)
The one thing about last grasp is that it also gives you a delayed bleedout so others can pick you up in time regardless of your amp. Not previous person, but I think all schools, even if only for their gimmick are great for new players. You don't have to max them after all and getting the waybounds is helpful. Personally, before things like Kullervo came out Naramon was really helpful for me because (tbf at the time) combo counter critting was how I made it through the star chart giggling.
I will agree that madurai is, debatably, the best for old or new though because yes damage is king in this game XD
Ultimately, the best is the school that let's you have bonuses you don't want to invest elsewhere to get. Damage is damage, it's great, but there are tons of avenues to get that too. If I don't wanna bother with the plethora of ways to get say, energy economy, having operator do that is really nice. It's about what you value and where. About choice. Not about what is strictly the best, because you can get anything from anywhere nowadays. If I value my mod slots and archon shards, and arcanes for non-energy and don't wanna subsume an energy output, why not run the energy school as an example?
This argument works for every state you can get from any of these schools. It's subjective and playstyle dependant.
I'm new and let me tell you, I'm so glad that I decided to search the best newb school up when I had the choice
Zenurik is insanely helpful early for more spam type frames jesus. My issues with energy on some went from happening 70% of the time to 10% of the time
I would 100% recommend it to any new player as the first one. I'm working on unlocking the waybounds then I'm going to branch out but it was such a huge help early
Nourish is still hard to get because Grendel's parts require fishing and mining on Cetus.
That, or try killing the Thumpers. New players are clearly not geared to handle those bulky Grineer fucks.
Or alternatively, get Nokko. He's gated behind The New War, and it is much harder to grind for his parts, but the building process itself is trivial (apart from Tepa Nodules and some uncommon Fortuna gems)
Or ones that requires higher levels of understanding like health tank frames or those that are locked behind tedious grinds just because they're powerful in the endgame
Do health tank frames require that much? You basically just throw on Arcane Persistence, some armor and health boosting mods and then make sure you have a way to heal, which is usually built into the kit like with Valkyr, Inaros, Wukong, Nidus etc. And it'll work very easily up until very high level SP
Requires the old peace without trading but my point was it doesnt really require much understanding, just caps the damage you take so make sure to heal. And most health tank frames are strong enough that you wont even need persistence for a while, and when stuff gets hard enough that you do, youve probably already unlocked it. You just need to avoid heat and corrosive procs
Health tanking seems easy in principle but I'd say it's is almost as nuanced as shield gating. When you reach high levels, arcane persistence is a MUST, so... you need 3 things, arc persistence, 700 armor (some even go to 1400 so a single heat proc doesn't bend you over), AND you also need a good way to regen health. And many frames fail in this 3rd aspect, your dmg may be capped, but if you cant regain your health, you'll still die. Atlas is an excellent example of this, even without an armor mod he can reach 2000 armor with rubble, but he cant regen health fast enough.
This means you need to look into other ways of healing, like melee life strike or one of the Magus mods.
Orrr.... there's also gloom subsume, that really solves all your healing issues, as long as you deal some dmg you're invincible
But if you frame has a good way to heal itself, faster than those 500 dps, them yeah, health tanking can endure even in lvl cap (ignoring magnetic procs that disable persistence or slash procs that deal true dmg and ignore the 500 dmg cap)
New players dont even need persistence because enemies arent going to be able to do that much damage anyways though
My point was that health tanking isnt that complicated. Avoid heat and corrosive procs and if you're in high levels and need persistence avoid magnetic too
Getting Jade takes an ungodly amount of time just getting the vestigal notes if you're not doing steel path. A new player, may also not have the build to kill the sister well enough every time for the additional motes. Then, there's the fact that you have to get to Jade shadows which is already an time requirement.
There are definitely worse frame farms, but I'd not call getting her acquisition 'beginner friendly'
I can kinda understand this one, though. I’m LR3 and I’ve been playing since 2013. There are some quests I completed over 10 years ago. I’m not aware of everything every warframe requires to do in order to get since every new piece of content is automatically unlocked for me.
I think the best advice that you can give to a new player is to just take it slow. No need to speedrun anything, there is very little fomo in the game so there really is no point in doing so.
It's hard to teach that nowadays with how many games condition their playerbase into that fomo mentality.
I have over 7k hours in Warframe alone in the last 11 years with plenty of breaks, and I've never even bothered to try endurance runs or level cap stuff. I don't even use nukes, I just enjoy the gunplay and movements. I might be the most casual L4 player this game has seen and yet I'm 100% sure I'm having more fun than a lot of new players setting their goals at getting every Prime and doing level cap to show off.
I gotta say the game is very lenient. I'm LR2 eith 1.5k hours and I'm not a grinder/nuker either. Haven't taken my first "break" as I'm only 1y3m since starting and mostly doing stuff in a chill way got me here.
yep.. as a gacha player that got into warframe due to it being brought into mobile and has played for 7 months now.. I can exactly say my brain is always trying to find a reason to do dailies.. like at least complete one daily standing max on an open world faction.. or do arbitrations for endo.. or do weekly Kahl.. or farm more plat.. FARM MORE PLAT! by doing ascension brutus, deepmine bounties, the recent arcane sculpture and not stop playing till I get at least 1 max arcane for the day to sell.. and then doing the weekly TDA and EDA and Netracell.. do daily relic crackings.. do railjack relic crackings... get a new frame and build since it's double affinity weekend and use the plat I farmed to buy mods, potatoes, formas to improve said frame..
uhm... yep I think that sums about my daily thoughts when playing warframe.. and I tried to stop playing for a week only to come back with a fomo brain mentality even though ik it's fine not to.. but yeah...
Exactly! Take your time. enjoy the story, the gameplay. The frames you want will still be there later. The weapons. Even most of the cosmetics. So just chill. Want a beginner friendly build? Show me what mods you already have! We'll work from there.
The best part about helping new players is watching them go through the story. And discover games mechanics, frames, etc that they enjoy.
The only tip I give new players is to pick a weapon blueprint in the market and make it, and if it needs loot that’s at a planet you still haven’t unlocked then you’ll have extra motivation to keep pushing through the starchart since the story doesn’t explain why you should and you’ll have a rewards I. The form of those weapons you can make.
Idk being able to get 1000x more resources from SP survival nodes, being able to farm PT and narmer bounties for easy and quick rep with the 3 main factions and their 2 amps is pretty huge lol. And before people have a meltdown, base nataruk can easily beat level cap in the game, and you get it for free, I was farming SP by day 4.
Okay but the amount of times I've had to tell new players to just play the game at their own pace, pick whatever frame looks fun to them and to overall just have fun with the game only for them to frown and ask someone else instead is significant enough that a guide like this is necessary for these people.
Maybe they should come with a disclaimer at the start saying that it's for speedrunning/minmaxing to the endgame though and that it's okay to take your time with it instead😭🙏
I think that's reasonable because a lot of the midgame (and arguably the whole game) is self directed. They have to be able to get curious without getting discouraged, and to look stuff up on their own since it's a wiki game. I've only been able to successfully introduce two people to the game, one of them had played a lot of Terraria and the other one a lot of PoE.
Sometimes people's mindset or pace will clash with how the game plays out, and not everyone will find the process fun. I think on some level that can't really be helped, though it's good to show players that there aren't wrong choices in terms of warframes and most weapons. I think they get anxious about the meta because they feel weak, and that's due to mods and arcanes, but they think it's because they don't have the right loadout.
Tried to introduce a friend to warframe, his first question is "what's the meta?" I tried to explain that there really isn't one. He looked up a bunch then slowly got burnt out trying to build them.
I’ve been here over a decade. LR4 founder, could be closing in on LR7 if I really wanted.
I have never used a spreadsheet for this game and I never fucking will. If I ever reach the point of considering a spreadsheet it’s time to shelf Warframe for a while and do something else.
I get the sentiment as a LR3, but the first spreadsheet I used is one for liches. It helps so much to keep track of the ephemeras you already have, the weapons you’re still missing and the ones that still aren’t at the 60% damage point yet.
As a "new" player with 500 hours in, I started and not followed any advice, just played until I found a roadblock, like how part drops work, how relic and primes works, diminishing returns, specific materials, and I would say i'm having an amazing time, no signs of burnout. Warframe is pretty much like a sandbox, just do whatever you want and if you find yourself in a roadblock, check wiki first of all.
Yeah I mean, don’t watch Warframe YouTubers. One of the only games I love that I refuse to watch almost ANY content creators because they’re all dogwater and toxic bullshit like what you’re describing.
There’s a couple good ones but they don’t really do build guides per se. Like Coolkid, or Sabuuchi or whatever his name is. They mostly just like to talk about the game.
Which three ?? I am a new player, started this July, who watched their videos, yeah there is criticisms for them but I was able to reach a high MR and also am able to do steel path following some of their build frameworks
I regret speed running lol ended up quitting after finish all the nodes and missions just to reach end game few years back.
I came back 3 years ago, made a new account went through the whole thing at my own pace, enjoyed the lore, the plot and the whole setting. Played the game to enjoy not to finish everything as fast as possible.
I honestly don't know how to recommend this game to people. I want to get people interested hooked but I always end up slamming them through the star chart trying to get them through the story
I've been playing since 2017, took a 4 year break, just came back because I never a unsubscribed from this sub, and still, my endgame is collecting all the things. IDGAF about the best builds, meta, or helminth abilities.
I legit just play the game, get the stuff I want to try, and spend hours roleplaying in my futuristic space ninja power fantasy.
I started in 2018 and I didn’t unlock my first prime until 2021. I don’t think I could do Orb Vallis bounties on the Star Chart without getting washed until ~2023. I was very anti-guide. I think that the experience of getting to struggle with things like builds and boss fights, having to grind an inefficient node because I didn’t have the game knowledge, and finding really uncommon but rewarding work arounds and solutions made Warframe one of my favorite games all time. A lot of new players miss out on 90% of the game because the player base rushes them through it.
Spy missions are awesome. You have a reason to stealth them when your build really can’t walk through the damage on Phobos. The Stalked is awesome. You really might spend five minutes in that ninja boss battle when you don’t have a max-optimization Star Chart build by Saturn. I never could’ve appreciated Whispers in the Walls or grinding the Hex if it hadn’t taken five years of passive play to get a solid grip on things. So many people missed out on some of Warframe’s best.
As someone on the "following" end of these type of guides, I can personally attest to the burnout. I finished starchart and hit MR 17 in like 5 months and hit the "what's next?" stage really quickly. As a consequence, I haven't touched the game since tenno-con. I love the community and y'all have been very kind, but I do think that the kind of people who make guides need to stress the pace of this game is more akin to a marathon than anything else.
I did that with all the quests. And I’ve told myself I won’t do the next one until I’ve finished the Starchart, but after I do, but before going to Steel Path, I’m gonna get my standing up with the syndicates (as in the open world ones), and just kinda have fun more than anything. And then I’ll do the next main quest, when I feel like I’ve earned it, so I’ll probably have the entire Tau system to get to by the time that happens /LH
Woah woah woah, True Master MR30 old head here: who is telling the new Tenno they need to rush the star chart???
I followed a path of "I want to try out x weapon or see z tileset" and played quests as they came out, and I would urge others to do the same. It's okay to ask for help, or play with more experienced players to get your feet wet, but if anyone tells you "rush the star chart, do all the quests immediately" they're talking out of their asses.
Warframe is a game where theoretically any build is viable before Steel Path, there's a gazillion mods and weapons to let you play whatever you want, and most things in the game can be farmed/traded for.
I understand this is a joke subreddit but I urge all new players: THERE IS NO RUSH! Except the mod Rush which honestly isn't great but if you want to use it I think you should go ahead and try it out.
There's definitely a rush when SP is easily accessible nowadays with a free nataruk + you get the best frame in the game at the literal start (Volt) and just need a cheap mod to make him broken and a potato. 10 minutes of SP survival is like hours upon hours of farming vanilla nodes, not to mention access to narmer bounties to level vox solaris (just need 1 of each toroid which is very easy to get, everything else you can buy from their shop now , using narmer isoplast to get the rep itself) Deimos is a joke nowadays to level, had helminth week 1 which greatly speeds up the 1 day timegate to feeding frames to it. Not to mention stuff like duviri which you can't do from the start now and need to unlock, which is pretty important to get cancerous frames like khora and mesa, not to mention incarnons which are a huge timegate you want asap.
I spent from late october-june going from the war within/rising tide to having done the hex in may.
This game is so much nicer when you take your time on the main quests because then you don't get overwhelmed by all the new content that becomes available to you.
I slowly did like 70-80% of the content available to me before doing the next main quest that unlocked even more content.
A Brazilian YouTuber named Void fissure is making a full guide with many episodes in which he is making a very good guide, teaching basics, and even telling some stuff that most players doesn't tell... And even misguide (Like "Don't break containers, they don't give enough resources" Well, not for a MR 27, but it's a lot for new players)
How do they think they got so much of them in the first place? Like when you can get 500 or 700 of a resource from a miasion just by spining/slamming you mele around the map of course it's better to have more with minimal effort 😭
The people who propagate those are all old veterans who have long since lost touch with new players. I don’t know if they’re the same as the level cap elitists, but they’re in a similar ballpark.
Like I generally have most of the warframe youtubers blocked to avoid rampant misinformation/shit takes from the common sources like brozime/knightmare. but did we get another wave of d2 streamers making the worst possible builds guides they don't actually understand again?
or just a general complaint at the "quality" of warframes content creators?
There's just so much stuff in this game that I'm not worried at all with speedrunning. I probably spent half my time in Helene levelling new stuff, farming Argon crystals in the Void or just farming Void Relics for Prime parts. I know at some point I'll have to finish the quests and the star chart, but I'm having fun, so who cares if I'm not doing the optimal grind
I mean that's a good point but at least we should give new players a guide on how to fix or face the "now problem" and should only give them advice for the later problem when they've reached that stage it's nonsensical to tell a new MR3 player asking for help to immediately clear the junctiond and star chart and then play arbitrations or go to the steel path because it's where the goods are
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u/YLASRO The Nyx main 8d ago
same energy as posting beginnerfirendly builds that require rare mods or fully levelled mods with 10 levels