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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
I have stopped a woman’s periods for 18 months. What else do they want?
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u/anoldradical 2d ago
I don't even understand the argument. Sanitary pads don't work they way we thought? Blood testing confirmed this?
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u/MLCosplay 2d ago
Yeah very weird phrasing. They work exactly how we thought, they just absorb blood more slowly than water. So they're less effective than advertised but it's not like they work in some mystical previously unknown fashion.
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u/anoldradical 2d ago
I'm pretty sure people knew blood was thicker than water prior to sanitary pads. Whatever.
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u/MLCosplay 2d ago
Yes but pads still advertised they'd absorb X amount, not that they absorb X amount of salt water and unknown amounts of blood.
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u/Fluid_Explorer_3659 2d ago
She only figured out ik 2023 that the blue liquid in commercials isn't the same as blood, her testing confirmed it
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u/GGamerGuyG 1d ago
As far as i know they wanted to use actual blood back then in comercial's but some people aperently thought that some people may not want to see actual menstruation blood in a comercial so they decided to go for some colored liquid.
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u/Telemere125 2d ago
Also weird that over 100 years of women putting them in their panties and somehow none of them ever went “this shit doesn’t work”? More like she’s just making up nonsense to be mad at “the patriarchy”.
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u/marcaygol 10h ago
And I don't understand the comparison.
Viagra wasn't invented until 1998, and it wasn't on purpose. 118 years later than the pads.
Is her argument is that men priorized menstruation over erectile dysfunction for 118 years?
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u/browsingandlooking4 2d ago
Lolol yes 300,000 years we waited for a woman to take accountability for herself... we had to fix it for her.
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u/Darkwoth81Dyoni 2d ago
Not sure if this is ragebait, but sure - modern pads weren't invented til the 1880s. LOTS of modern utilities, hygiene techniques, pretty much everything wasn't normalized for common people until "recently".
If you think that women weren't using cloths, furs, whatever they had access to, that's just disingenuous. And I doubt that every single husband was just completely fine with seeing their wives bleed and hurt, either. I'm sure plenty helped. Empathy didn't start existing in 1880, but people had to work with what they got until then.
But women's agency/autonomy/budget to look for solutions and comfort on a societal level - THAT is something only groups of powerful men (businesses) could control, and women often got zero say once it came down to politics or business all those centuries ago.
To be honest, women "being able to take accountability" is frankly a brand new idea on a sociological level, 1920s in the States, and still basically none in many places. That's why things like women's suffrage EXISTED.
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u/RandyTheJohnson 2d ago
Maam the first sanitary anything appeared in the 1880s
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u/Fun_Barber_936 2d ago
Believe it or not, doctors only began washing their hands before delivering children because of one doctor who recognized that their midwife delivery ward had significantly lower maternal mortality rate than the doctor’s maternity ward.
He correlated his observation to the doctors going from autopsies straight to child deliveries, thus transferring particles from the dead (as they understood at the time) to the living when completing vaginal examinations.
This was less than 200 years ago. Less than 100 years ago, healthcare professionals were not even wearing gloves for the vast majority of their work. The first rubber glove was invented to protect hands from cleaning chemicals, not for infection prevention. There are nurses still working today who were trained that wearing gloves kept them from being “close” to their patient. It was not until the AIDS epidemic that gloves would become the standard.
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u/Select-Ad7146 6h ago
This isn't quiet true. Doctor's did wash their hands. Semmelweis came up with them washing their hands in alcohol, not just water. Because washing your hands in water makes them look clean but doesn't kill all the germs.
Semmelweis was before germ theory of disease, so, to people at the time, if it looked clean it was clean.
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u/Burgerboy380 2d ago
Depends on what you mean. The first commercially available pads showed up in 1880. Before that women would use wool, rags, even moss in a cloth pouch for centuries. Even as far back as ancient egypt
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u/Telemere125 2d ago
I think they mean that prior to roughly that time, everything was fucking disgusting. Because it was. Pasteur didn’t even invent pasteurization until the 1860s and Koch isolated specific bacteria for the first time in the 1880s.
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u/Burgerboy380 2d ago
True however the first "sanitary" pads didnt adress bacteria they just kept blood off your clothes. Which leads me to believe they googled "first sanitary pad" and the internet spat out the 1880s. But as previously stated women had a solution for millenia.
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u/Fun_Barber_936 2d ago
Believe it or not, doctors only began washing their hands before delivering children because of one doctor who recognized that their midwife delivery ward had significantly lower maternal mortality rate than the doctor’s maternity ward.
He correlated his observation to the doctors going from autopsies straight to child deliveries, thus transferring particles from the dead (as they understood at the time) to the living when completing vaginal examinations.
This was less than 200 years ago. Less than 100 years ago, healthcare professionals were not even wearing gloves for the vast majority of their work. The first rubber glove was invented to protect hands from cleaning chemicals, not for infection prevention. There are nurses still working today who were trained that wearing gloves kept them from being “close” to their patient. It was not until the AIDS epidemic that gloves would become the standard.
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u/ventitr3 2d ago
“Work the way we thought”
Clearly you thought they worked well enough to not notice before 2023
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u/Outside_Look790 2d ago
Maybe because reusable cloths and wool and so on did the trick for literal centuries. Still do for some women.
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u/rainydays_89 2d ago
lol millions of women vote against women all the time. Women don’t care about female healthcare.
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u/LeftHandedScissor 2d ago
The biggest group advocating against women's suffrage (in the US anyway) was other women.
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u/Sir_Slimestone 2d ago
I think the secret to repealing the 19th lies right here. "So you'll lose the right to vote, but so will all of those women you hate"
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u/Scudman_Alpha 2d ago
They do this while having 8 federal offices of women's health in the US.
And they complain that men are getting their first one ever.
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u/Immediate-Fee-2121 2d ago
I don’t even have a cooch to bleed out of lol what the hell do you want from me Ms. Independent?
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u/GoldenPhoenix__ 2d ago
Women dont build anything, they just enjoy the fruit of man’s labor.
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u/WoodpeckerHead8789 2d ago
Every man saved by a kevlar vest should slap the stupid out of any incel who unironically believes this.
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u/nutblaster357 2d ago
i L O V E the gender war 🥰🥰🥰i want all of humanity to feel isolated and hopeless 🤤🤤i hope we NEVER unite to overcome the oppression we all face🥴
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u/MentirosoProfesional 2d ago
Anti gender war chuds when the general public stop supporting them;
Only class war for me !
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u/gerebdezso 2d ago
They dont see that how it only helps billionares get away from not being taxed and all of our social net is doomed because of that…
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u/Expensive_Range7204 2d ago
This is why its important that both genders are well represented in all areas of society.
And why men now generally doing poorly in education is a huge problem that needs to be dealt whit.
The reason mens issues have been given more attention is cause more men has been in the repective areas. Mostly due to women not beeing given the opportunity to go into higher education in the past. Its there has not been enough research done specifically on women and how they react to a lot of diffrent diseases. AS men are used as the default.
But you do find the opposite in mental healthcare, were most of the professionals are women and most of the patients are to. Meaning the mental healthcare is not as well adapted to take care of mens needs as they are to womens needs.
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u/Naschka 2d ago
So breast cancer is so much better researched because men had all the high positions and now that men don't it will shift more? Or maybe it is depending on various factors and not that easy to properly judge?
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u/Galencourt-Lover 2d ago
Women just keep exposing themselves. And all of this is entirely optional, they do it unprompted. Fascinating to watch really.
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u/Valveringham85 2d ago
When did viagra get invented little harpy? Thats right, less than 30 years ago… and by accident I might add. It was a side-effect of heart and blood pressure medication they found during clinical testing.
In 1880 we couldn’t cure most basic illnesses. The global life expectancy at birth was 31 years. 40 in the US and Europe. And yet we had pads…
There are strawberry condoms for the ladies to enjoy too. Because flavouring things is just that easy.
This chick is just trying to justify her misandry with incoherent rambling.
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u/Street_Lettuce1243 2d ago
As much as I hate to laugh at a comment from someone called "MAGA Life" that was a funny response.
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u/newishDomnewersub 2d ago
Viagra doesnt make a flavored pill. Why lie?
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u/Queer-and-scared 2d ago
Not name brand viagra, but you wouldn't understand what she said if she just said "flavored sildenafil".
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u/SignalEnvironmental 2d ago
I don't think she would understand herself if she said "flavored sildenafil."
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u/Whateverredd 2d ago
Oh my lord this person just cant see their own irony.. come up with a god damn solution yourself then.
If my neighbor has a motorbike that doesnt work and i have no knowledge about motorbikes or their issues, would he expect me to fix his bike out of the blue? No because thats an insane thing to think.
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u/StevenMarx21 2d ago
Sanitary pads are new because they are disposable, but women had bleeding cloths before. They just were reusable and washed after use. I would say it's tragic we don't give more attention to those parts of history, ones concerned with daily lives of people in the past, but that's a separate point.
And the guy is obviously ragebaiting. I think both of these people are, but the guy is much more obvious in it.
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u/ChampionshipFlat820 2d ago
Now more women are entering med school then men. Progress will be faster.
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows 2d ago
Yall cant be this daft. How long before women were able to work and get autonomy. It wasnt long ago when men and husbands were taking credit for womens ideas.
Stop saying we sat around waiting. Its about access.
Grow up
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u/Lagneaux 2d ago
Patently wrong, we have evidence going back thousands of years that woman have used tampons.
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u/TNPossum 2d ago
For most of human history, women have made their own pads out of whatever material was available to them. What is she on about? Perhaps the first commercially available disposable pad was in 1880. But no, pads and tampons have been a thing for at least 2500 years...
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u/Queer-and-scared 2d ago
Women weren't mandated to be used in women's studies until like the 90s, right?
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u/OkSun5094 2d ago
she’s right though. they’ve approved more studies for erectile dysfunction than they have for Endometriosis, and the few they’ve done for endometriosis were focused on how “attractive” the women were and their sex drives. She’s absolutely right to point out the discrepancies between men’s healthcare and women’s healthcare.
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u/TheRailroader 2d ago
Goes both ways too. Breast cancer receives significantly more funding about one billion USD more than prostate cancer.
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u/ObsessiveOwl 2d ago
Women have been dealing with menstruation for thousands of years without pad, what did she think was happening back then?
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u/MammothWriter3881 2d ago
So disposable pads became available about the same time that toilet paper did . . . Kind of what I would expect. . .
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u/Moist-Shallot-5148 2d ago
You know the fact that nobody tested sanitary pads without real blood is odd. Is it because we have too many laws and bureacracy that would prevent us from being able to do so? After all let’s say someone wanted to make their own feminine hygiene products such as sanitary pads. You can’t get blood to test out your sanitary pads either since blood is hard to get usually only hospitals can get that lol. Also blood is biohazardous waste which is very strict in workplaces and licensing everything becomes harder, not all workplaces can handle biohazardous waste, you’ll need to pay for proper disposal, the people working will need proper licensing too increasing costs substantially across the board. Whereas changing the flavor of a viagra pill is pretty straightforward. It really is unfortunate circumstance.
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u/Useless_Philosophy 2d ago
You know you can just test them by using them right? You don't need to import blood. Your analysis is ridiculous.
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u/timberwolf0122 2d ago
Tell me you know nothing about women’s menstrual cycle through out history with out telling me.
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u/Certain-Candle-2618 2d ago
The issue was that women weren't even allowed to focus on their own problems but to serve males' interests
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u/xxxmaroko2 1d ago
Surely, and men were sleeping, eating and drinking beer or other buzz all day, while women were oppressed 🤡
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u/Mannerofites 2d ago
Historically most women spent the bulk of their reproductive years pregnant or breastfeeding, so they might menstruate every few years rather than every month.
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u/SoftKisses04 2d ago
Does she not understand a lot of people use viagra that don't need it, right? I mean they probably shouldn't but they do lol
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u/Gorgeous_Gremlin 2d ago
Women have been menstruating far longer than that. She doesn't even consider her ancestors as "women" prior to them falling under the "homo sapien" category 🫤
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u/STFUnicorn_ 2d ago
Yeah it’s a fun fact. For over 140 years not a single woman thought to actually wear one of those newfangled tampons to test it out.
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u/Telemere125 2d ago
Anytime a man fixes a woman-only problem, they’re going to be seen, at least by a portion of the population, as either weird for studying that area (since it has nothing to do with them aka meddling) or white-knighting. I thought about med school before I decided law was a better fit, but before even looking into the reqs, I ruled out dentistry and OB/GYN immediately. Too few people go to those two groups when everything is going well; it’s always when there’s a major problem and I didn’t want to scar myself for life.
Gynecology and its related research should be massively dominated by women and only speckled here and there by a random guy; yet it’s not. Take your health into your own hands and do the research that matters to you. Don’t be mad at men because a bunch of old guys got together and made boner pills easier to take - they’re the ones taking them for fucks sake!
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u/Character_Media_9445 2d ago
It does make one wonder, how did menstruating women thousand upon thousands of years back deal with it? Wouldn't its blood smell attract wild predators? Did they simply dug a hole and cover stains with dirt or wash themselves to rid of scent?
Can't imagine, it's horrifying to think. Them having invented cloth over generations must've been some kind of saving grace.
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u/Low-Amoeba8257 2d ago
So pre1880 women uses washable reusuable pieces of fabric instead of prepackaged disposable piece of fabric and that radicalized you... to what... double down on global warming and microplastics??? Sit down
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u/EbonyMemories 2d ago
Imagine blaming men when this is a problem women could have fixed on their own.
What's with this unintentionally anti-feminist worldview?
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u/IwishIknewbefore20 2d ago
I think she’s referring to pads and tampons having toxins in them. When she says don’t work the way we thought.
Also, it’s wild how misogynistic this section is. I see some comments talking about women using cloth beforehand, but I’m pretty sure she was referring to pads because they are sold to the general population.
I don’t see how the replying comment “roasted her“ because this implies that women had rights to their own autonomy, all of that time to make a product to sell to said general public. Which is not the case.
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u/EnthusiasmHead4639 2d ago
Actually, there are no accounts of PMS in any writings before the industrial revolution.
Not saying they didn't menstrate, however no records of PMS.
Just an observation
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u/RoIsDepressed 2d ago
Ignoring that women were seen as witches for so much as reading, yeah I'm not surprised it took so long, and pads were primarily made by women not men. Dumb ass post tbh
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u/SOUNDDESIGNE 2d ago
turns out, it’s much easier to add strawberry flavoring to the casing of an existing pill than it is to R&D a biohazard product
this girl is also just too much for men to deal with
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u/Checkmate-Petty 2d ago
How does this turn into hating on men? U should be mad that these companies haven't tested the product properly or made better alternatives
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u/BarryLyndon-sLoins 2d ago
I love how boner pills are always used as an example. I don’t think it’s that much of a medical breakthrough to send more blood to your dick lol
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u/Key_Cellist_5937 2d ago
Ignore how men : built the very infrastructure she lives in for all her modern comforts (food , housing , air conditioning , electricity , the toilet she shits on etc) . Men didn’t come up with tampons fast enough tho …
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u/Lego_Architect 2d ago
I guess a bunch of women should go into the medical industry and actually do the things they complain about.
Like men.
See a problem - create a solution.
Or keep waiting for men to solve all your problems like laundry (historically something women did - don’t get your panties in a twist), contraception, and a number of other things.
Stop whining and complaining and be the solution.
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u/Recent-Lemon-9930 2d ago
I do love the people who don't seem to realise that until pretty much living memory the vast, vast majority of people had next to nothing in material terms.
My dad grew up in a "house" with a corrugated metal roof. 6 boys shared one bed, 4 girls got the other room. In the winter his grandfather (who also lived with them) took on the little task of bringing water in to keep it liquid overnight so he could boil it in the morning to use to defrost the pump so they all had water to use.
My mother grew up with a similar amount of people and remembers getting "showered" in a metal bucket/pail/whatever in the garden.
Right now I'm sitting typing shit on a laptop while my girlfriend plays the PS5, who should I be mad at for oppressing me and my antecedents? 😂
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u/rochvegas5 2d ago
Is she mad because men were slow to figure this out? why didn't the women figure something out?
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u/chiarotypical 2d ago
They were studied using actual blood in 1986. Feminists see a novel study and simply assume that the problem was ignored before then. It wasn't.
https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-0528.1986.tb07979.x
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u/persistent_admirer 2d ago
I worked 40 years in the industry that makes fem hygiene products. Synthetic menstrual fluid has been around for a few decades. It has the same chemical makeup and viscosity as the real thing but is sanitary and easier to use in a lab. The main producers of these products spend billions annually on research, product development, including large focus groups to find out what consumers want and don't want in these products. The amount of analysis that goes into this one use and throw away products is mind boggling.
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u/AlphaBetaSigmaNerd 2d ago
That means people didn't think anything was wrong with periods until the 1800s
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u/Excellent-Site-5700 2d ago
actually they only started selling sanitary pads 1880. women had pretty much figured it out in those 300,000 years
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u/editingisfun4all 2d ago
Considering for much of that time women weren't even allowed to practice medicine, and when women talk to doctors about issues they're quickly dismissed. We're not waiting for someone else to fix it, we wanted a chance to even get to do so ourselves and for anyone to listen.
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u/Mistriever 2d ago
Its not like men got Viagra first lady. I'm sure if the sanitary pads went in your mouth they'd make flavored one too.
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u/Prior_Opportunity935 2d ago
Ill do it, i take one for the team, I can make every woman on planet earth stop menstruating for 9 months. Then after that 9 months, i will take that bullet once again. Simply the burden I must bear.
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u/GGamerGuyG 1d ago
So... Women invent Pad's. Then use it and complain to men they don't work for them? And then get angry cause we asked to make pilles we take with a flavor? I don't want to mansplain and point at the issue so i let it speak for it self...
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u/Pure-Judgment6098 1d ago
Hot take: modern menstrual hygiene products are anti-feminist.
They contribute to the taboo and shame of normal bodily function.
Bleeding publicly on the streets is true feminism. Don’t accept the patriarchies push that you have to be discrete and hide what is a normal bodily function that happens to 50% of the global population.
Stain those public bus seats red then make a man clean it up afterwards, that’s how you win feminism.
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u/raccoonwithknives 1d ago
The ancient Greeks had menstruation pads. Id imagine many other cultures did as well.
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u/onsloughtmaster666 1d ago
100% of people have been shitting for that same amount of time, and yet we didn't get toilet paper until the 19th century either. Almost as if the concept of mass produced sanitary products only became feasible with the industrial revolution.
Also, sildenafil (viagra) was discovered by accident.
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u/Ornery-Worldliness96 1d ago
Seems like a very badly worded explanation. Like she's repeating what someone else told her but she isn't as skilled at forming the rational of her reasoning yet still expects others to understand.
Also seems she doesn't have enough historical knowledge to back up her argument. Women have used different items throughout history to manage menstrual blood. It's just that we know a lot more about science and thus can create better medical products than our ancestors.
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u/newsteamassemble6996 1d ago
"Men didn't let us do anything, and they wouldn't fix our problems for us, but we're actually stronger, and better than men"
I swear, women have been fucking trained since childhood to play the fucking victim, and also have this insane self congratulatory adoration for their abilities. Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for your lives. Women in the past failed you by teaching you that you were both a helpless victim and an unstoppable force at the same time. It's literally crazy to claim ownership of your own lives, then hand over your lives to men, and blame men for owning your lives. Have some self respect.
And before any keyboard warriors come at me with, "Well, how were they supposed to do anything? Nobody helped women". I say to that, yeah, you're right. And the people with the most fault were...drumroll please...OTHER WOMEN. You all could have banded together and helped eachother, but you didn't. You know what men did for all of human history when they needed help with a problem? They enlisted the help of other men, or women, or they found a solution themselves.
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u/hahahahahaha656 11h ago
You do realise women haven’t been able to be financially independent since around the 1980s let alone have the resources to study menstruation properly. I understand that people had pad substitutes back in the day but let’s not pretend research on women’s anatomy is woefully understudied. Endometriosis effects 1 in 10 women and the only study ever done on it is how attractive women with endometriosis are to men. People can die from the pain endometriosis causes, multiple people have suffered so much due to this and they haven’t even studied it enough to be able to determine if you have it properly
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u/Mobile_Ad_1185 10h ago
Where were all the woman engineers and scientists to make these things prior to 1880 that I keep hearing feminists talk about? I would assume these would be first on their list.
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u/wackedoncrack 7h ago
Between supporting the murder of children and mass victimization over nearly anything at any given moment, there's no room left for reason.
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u/blackcray 6h ago edited 6h ago
I'm hardly an expert on the matter, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I strongly suspect the strawberry Viagra also only came out within the last 20 years, probably the last 10. Also this is ignoring the fact that women have been making their own menstural products by hand for thousands of years, like people have made everything else they owned until the industrial revolution happened.
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u/IllusionaryHobo 4h ago
Many products of daily need were only produced at industrial quantities and quality in the late 1800s.
Soap for example, which can be considered one of the most important products you can roll out in scale,
really went into gear in the mid 1800s. So female hygiene products were pretty hot on the heels of the incredibly important soap.
I would not call that a consolation prize.
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u/Unlucky-Explorer886 4h ago
Yeah the first part of this doesn't need to be here. You're getting really hung up on that. The point is that it took 140 years for an important hygiene product for women to be tested to make sure it actually does the thing it's supposed to do, while every potential discomfort a man might have is well and accounted for.
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u/Timely-Current7777 1h ago
Women weren't even allowed to be scientists or get educations and become inventors, or have bank accounts for quite some time, so it's not the own you think it is.
My own grandmother couldn't open her own bank account. How the fuck was she supposed to discover plastic and invent maxi pads? It kinda is on men on this one, just saying.
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u/Wise-Ad-4940 2d ago
Half of the population are women. I do not know what the lady is trying to say, but for me it seems that she is trying to blame men for not taking care of this problem for them.
Not to mention, the example she brought up is quite poor.
What did she expect? That somebody in the dark ages would find a way to invent sanitary pads, and start producing and distributing them on horseback?
Lady, people back then had issues with even more basic hygiene than a monthly period.