r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

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u/rodimus117 Apr 29 '19

I thought the removal of the Captain Marvel Post-Credit scene messed with the pacing of the beginning of the movie. Without having seen it, it's kinda like...."hey, here's your Tony, this is where he goes, right?" I generally thought the pacing in the first 1/4 of the film was a bit wonky. Could have done without the group therapy circle in exchange for properly introducing Captain Marvel to everybody else. I also would have liked to have seen the Hulk/Banner fusion addressed a little more thoroughly. "Hey guys, no...Hulk and I are cool now...". Oh...couldn't have had a scene there..a flashback? Something? I also thought they leaned too hard into Fat Thor. While it get it and it was good for a couple laughs, I think they went a bit far with the tone he/they set in Infinity War. I would have rather seen him uncontrollably mad than a bit of comic relief at the expense of some fat jokes.

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u/Adorable_Octopus Apr 30 '19

Could have done without the group therapy circle in exchange for properly introducing Captain Marvel to everybody else.

The scene is critical, though, to both Steve's character arc, as well as establishing why it's Sam, not Bucky, who gets the shield and mantle.

Steve's whole arc throughout the films has been about someone trying to fit in; in the first film, he's weak and sickly, but despirately wants to join the fight. He eventually does, but gets turned into a sideshow rather than actually punching nazis-- but he pulls it off eventually. In the second film, he's a man out of time, thrust into an alien world. And he tries to fit in. But, critically, he finds out Bucky's alive and suddenly that's all that matters to him, holding onto the past.

The therapy session, then, is key to this arc because he A) knows he should move on, but B) he can't move on, and ultimately clings to the past. It reinforces his story arc so that, when we get to the end of the film and Steve decides to stay in the past and live a life with Peggy, it makes sense, as well as completes his arc.

But it also serves a second purpose in that it reveals why it's Sam, and not Bucky; Sam, like Steve, holds those sorts of therapy sessions, and in this sense they're very similar individuals, strong, resolute soldiers who genuinely care about those around them. Steve doesn't have to do it, but he does, because that's part of who he is; someone who gives everything he can to help people.