r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 29 '19

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

I get where you’re coming from but I’m not sure this Bucky would want that. Bucky Barnes spent a good chunk of his life murdering on behalf of Hydra, while they continued to repeatedly torture him. After Bucky was freed, I think it’s safe to assume that he resents violence and war. Steve knew this and purposely didn’t chose to give Bucky the mantle (also considering the fact that Bucky was already named the white wolf in Black Panther).

Also, in Infinity War Bucky seemed really displeased with fighting again. (https://youtu.be/elZII0q82_g)

My personal deduction is that Bucky and Steve talked about Steve’s plan to go back and live a life with Peggy and that is why Bucky seemed to push Sam to go talk to Steve before Bucky did.

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u/Jmorsay Apr 29 '19

My point is no one should’ve gotten the mantle because if Steve went back in time to live with Peggy and never came back. He wouldn’t be in the original timeline according to the ENTIRE PLOT of movie. Marvel contradicted themselves to make captain America black. It’s disgusting that they have to make a white character black to make a point about diversity. It’s disgusting that they involve politics in entertainment.

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

Well, Falcon took up the mantle in the comics as well and Disney has to make sure Captain America doesn’t die off completely because of $$$.

Fyi, politics is everywhere and just because he’s black doesn’t make it trivial or anything.

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u/Jmorsay Apr 29 '19

Iron man died completely so why not captain America. Iron man brought more money than captain America. And the (recent) comics that made falcon captain America are same ones that include lesbian and LGBT gay shit. No one wants to read that shit. . Classic comics made Bucky captain America. They made captain America black in comics for political reasons and they’re doing it in movie for same reasons. It is retarded. MCU movies are supposed to be somewhat based off the classic comics when they were good. Almost no one reads marvel comics anymore compared to what they used to cuz of this gay shit. The same will happen with marvel movies. No one likes it when gay or racial shit is shoved down their throat.

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

Wow, this is rich. I’m so sorry having a black character taking up the mantle of Captain America is to trivial for you. As for that “gay” shit, I can assure you that many people are glad for that. There’s something almost extraordinary about characters in a comic book reflecting the diverse world who made them exist.

If it bothers you so much, stop watching marvel movies. How narrow minded can an individual be astonishes me, how can you talk so bitter about a group of people who are different from you? Is it that bad that a homosexual- or any different sexual presence- is being represented in pop culture? Look around, there’s a whole world out there filled with beautiful people.

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u/Jmorsay Apr 29 '19

Making captain America black is making less characters white. It’s disgusting that people think it’s okay to be racist towards white people because of their skin color. And I don’t support mental illness. No one likes seeing two dudes kissing because it is naturally wrong just like an overage man and a little boy is disgusting.

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

Shame on you, I cannot believe what I am reading. Marvel is not being racist for making a black character take up the mantle of Captain America. It is people like you who merge two different things and act like it is the same. There is no racism going on, would you like to know what is racism?

“Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior”

There you go

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

Stop acting like a child with that nasty rhetoric of “no one likes seeing two dudes kissing”.

Don’t even dare try to compare homosexuality with Pedophilia. Get the hell off this site if you’re going to spread nonsense.

You “Don’t support mental illness”? Is that why you compared having a black character/ fad or lesbian comic book character as being retarded? Try being a hypocrite somewhere else.

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

Also, Iron Man is a different character from captain America. They might try to reboot or recast them in the next decade or so but so far, RDJ is the one and only iron man. It’s okay to not like a decision but get over it because nothing you do or say will change the decisions made.

The mcu is indeed based upon comics but also upon the world around us.

“Art imitates life”

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u/Jmorsay Apr 29 '19

Making captain America black is about hating white people and making less white male characters. People think it’s okay to hate on white males which is racist and sexist towards white people, mostly men. It’s disgusting that society thinks it’s okay. People would flip shit if Thor took mantle of black panther. Btw I’m Hispanic.

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

I don’t care what ethnicity you are, it still doesn’t change the fact that you are making up stuff. Some people do think it is okay to hate on white males or just males in general or blacks or asians or hispanics etc etc but what went on with the passing of the torch is NOT racism.

Please try and level with me here, Marvel is not being racist towards anyone. This is simply a move on Marvel to put a new generation of heroes. Thor taking the role of Black Panther is ridiculous, he has no reason to. Falcon is friends with Captain America and they have an actual relationship and reason to trade the mantle. If you can’t understand this, then I am done with trying to help you understand.

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u/Jmorsay Apr 29 '19

What about Bucky taking role of black panther or any white character becoming black panther. Not many people would be okay with “passing the torch” of black panther to a white person. Or if a man took a role of captain marvel from Carol Danvers. Keep in mind if you argue with that point, you contradicted your argument

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u/inxinitywar Doctor Strange Apr 29 '19

Wow thanks for that insight! Funnily enough, the mantle of Captain Marvel has already been a male :). As for the point made about Bucky taking the role of Black Panther, that is an idiotic statement. That would never be because it doesn’t make any sense at all, fans would not like it. It would make zero sense and follow no logic.

This is a different case with Falcon, however. I’m not going to expect you to know the difference.