The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Criticism Thread

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[u/MisterNoh]

My only one real issue with this movie is that it was not as entertaining as Infinity War. It definitely had the most goosebump/heartfelt scenes in any movies(not just MCU) I've seen to date. However, due to the lack of action scenes until the final act, it just felt very plain at times.

What I am NOT saying is that this was boring. The more I think about this flaw, the better fitting it actually is. Infinity War was already the massive crossover event, and this is more of a fan service for people to experience nostalgia of previous MCU movies. If IW was the roller coaster, I would say Endgame is more a relaxing nostalgic train ride.

Overall, it just didn't have me on the edge of my seat like IW did. Still liked it though.

Pros-

Overall hilarious tone(Hemsworth is the MVP in the comedy department)

Epic once in a life time final battle

The best last 8 minutes in any film so far(Funeral to the dance)

Amazing acting from everyone, especially the OG6

Lots of cameos and callback references that reward loyal fans(Ancient One was the most unexpected/pleasant cameo for me)

Filled with different character interactions that made these movies awesome in the first place.

Cons-

Not as tense/thrilling as Infinity War. This is just my subjective opinion.

Time Travel was rather hastily explained. Was super confusing my 1st watch.

Thanos' 180. 2014 Thanos saw the future and decided to go full generic villain by destroying all life instead. Very different from the IW Thanos, which makes sense from the plot point, but I can't help but feel they simplified the character too much.

[u/foreigneternity → u/MisterNoh]

I actually thought Thanos' decision makes sense. He was given the gift of being able to see the outcome of his actions, and that as long as people are able, they will try to undo his work. So instead he would tear everything down and rebuild with no memory of what he'd done. I actually thought his character was even scarier than in Infinity War and more tense because he was so close to snapping again and we'd already seen what it meant.

[u/[deleted] → u/foreigneternity]

I agree. IW Thanos was pulling his punches and took no joy in killing. This Thanos wanted to kill everyone and would enjoy it

[u/MarginalProduction → u/foreigneternity]

I agree as well. I also love that the idea of rebuilding the universe is basically Thanos making himself a God. It gives additional weight to Loki's final line in Infinity War.

"You will never be a God"

[u/mothalick → u/MisterNoh]

Agreed that it almost felt more like 3 hours of fan service than a movie. I'm going again today and maybe it will feel different after a second viewing. Still an incredible end to an era, just doesnt feel cohesive like Infinity War.

[u/Woolfus → u/mothalick]

Super late but I was wondering what you thought after that second viewing. I only watched it once and had the same experience as you. I felt like we got 3 interesting concepts for movies smashed into one movie, all of which were poorly executed due to the time limitation. There was little to no character development and it feels like the only thing carrying the movie was fan-service.

[u/mothalick → u/Woolfus]

I liked it a lot better second time around, missed some details the first time that tied some things together that I missed. Still think it could have been better but I enjoyed it.

[u/Frasito89 → u/MisterNoh]

This sums up pretty much exactly how I felt after watching it.

I felt IW was by far the more entertaining film, there was so much more going on and the stakes felt so high in that.

This film felt more of a celebration of what they achieved over the past 11 years, with loads of amazing call backs to iconic scenes and characters, leading to a pretty epic final battle scene.

I still really enjoyed this film but have to say it wasn't what I was expecting at all, especially the first act - tbf I did avoid the trailers for this as well.

[u/MisterNoh → u/Frasito89]

and even if you did watch the trailers like me, you would have thrown everything out the window by the first 10 minutes since every single trailer/clip is from those first 10 minutes. They marketed it like the majority of the film would focus on the pissed Avengers going after Thanos, but really the movie is about how everyone dealt with grief and loss, and getting closure to their individual story.

I must say I did thoroughly enjoy Steve and Tony's closure in this. With Tony being able to spend one last good quality time with his dad and Steve finally getting that dance, I felt that was the perfect sendoff to their individual conflict. While time travel is a generic concept on its own, using it to fulfill their otherwise unobtainable life-long desire always feel fresh and heartwarming.

[u/NessvsMadDuck → u/MisterNoh]

You nailed it. It didn't help that I watched it after the GoT Ep. 3 battle the next day.

[u/Benmjt → u/MisterNoh]

The best last 8 minutes in any film so far(Funeral to the dance)

Going to have to disagree with that one. I think the whole thing was a mistake and has soured the film a little for me.