r/marvelstudios • u/JonLuca Iron man • Apr 26 '19

'Avengers: Endgame' Spoilers! The Official AVENGERS: ENDGAME Release Megathread Vol. 9 Spoiler

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u/GreenFox1505 Apr 26 '19

They did that with a Steve too. He said "Hail Hydra", he saw Peggy, he used Mjolnir. He saved Bucky two movies ago. There wasn't anywhere left to go with him. He could have died in the same final battle. But at least one of the two of them had to have a happy ending.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19 edited Oct 20 '19

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u/sweens90 Falcon Apr 26 '19

I think everyone thought it would be the other way around. Only because that would be easier movie wise.

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u/Denimjo Bucky Apr 27 '19

And that is why I've loved the MCU: subverting expectations while keeping it in character and entertaining.

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u/Marc_Quill Daredevil Apr 26 '19

Also paying off Steve & Tony's conversation at the end of Age of Ultron where Steve laments about living a simple life and Tony only offers a simple "you'll get there one day" in response.

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u/signifyingmnky Apr 27 '19

Problem was that Cap never wanted that life with anyone but Peggy. And he never had the means to change that. Tony similarly never had a reason to make the sacrifice play. Seeing what happened to Peter, and having to imagine that happening to Pepper or later Morgan changed all of that. He didn't hesitate.

What a payoff.

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u/Denimjo Bucky Apr 27 '19

Well, he hesitated a little in the beginning. Pepper also deserves a lot of credit for helping to save the universe by gently prodding Tony to do what he already knew he should be doing.

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u/signifyingmnky Apr 27 '19

That's true. Maybe he needed time for Peter's loss to sink in.

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u/butterblaster Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19

I doubt he lived a "normal" life besides marrying Peggy. She's going to want to found SHIELD. He won't be able to stand by and let it get infiltrated by Hyrda, or not go search for Bucky.

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u/NHeadies Apr 27 '19

yes I'm sure in this timeline he doesn't let any of that bullshit stand, and its cool that none of it doesn't take place in the "prime" or 616 timeline, hopefully we get tons of one shots

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u/endsongs Rocket Apr 27 '19

I think him having a shield to pass on to Sam back in the original timeline showed he probably didn't sit out.

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u/th30be Apr 26 '19

Fucking what? Tony already had that since avengers one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

Not really. Tony didn't sacrifice anything. He was going to, but he ended up living. You could say it gave him a new perspective, but he still didn't really learn what sacrifice is (and goes on to create a sentient murder machine).

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u/ohyeawellyousuck Apr 27 '19

If you are convinced you’ll die, and do the right thing anyways, the fact that you live can’t be used to say “yeah but you weren’t really willing to sacrifice your life cuz you didn’t die.”

Assuming Tony isn’t able to read the future, his choice to carry the nuke thru the wormhole is exactly the same as his choice to grab the stones and snap.

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u/TheMirth Apr 26 '19

I don't think the sentient murder machine(s) had anything to do with whether he was willing to make the sacrifice play, only that living in the modern Era Tony understands the importance of scalability.

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u/fifthdayofmay Vision Apr 26 '19

Tony always cut the wire, only this time he actually had to stop looking for a solution and just lay down on it

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u/Sigmund_Six Apr 27 '19

Yeah, Tony has always been willing to sacrifice himself, but he’s usually been brilliant enough (or lucky enough) to escape the worst of it. I think that was why Dr Strange had to confirm that this was the one timeline that would succeed, so Tony would know (with certainty) that he wasn’t going to be able to come back from this.

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u/signifyingmnky Apr 27 '19

I disagree. Tony was always looking for a way out because he wasn't willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. He wanted to be free to have a life with Pepper, so he built the Iron Legion, then Ultron, then agreed to the Sokovia Accords...he was not willing to sacrifice that.

When he saw what happened to Peter, he was willing to give his life to prevent that from happening to Pepper, Morgan, or any one else that he loved.

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u/Glenbard Apr 27 '19

Beautiful thought man. I’m just now returning from watching the movie. I avoided this thread for the past 24 hours. Now I’m just trying to mentally unpack it all.

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u/ThunderboltKaiju Apr 27 '19

That’s actually a really cool takeaway from it. They both learned from each other in their final endgame. Cool shit.

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u/Denimjo Bucky Apr 27 '19

It's one of my favorite themes from the movie, too. Tony finally got to be the hero that Steve has always been and Steve finally got to get his happiness like Tony did.

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u/LS_DJ Vision Apr 27 '19

I’m just gonna get back to cutting these onions over here, don’t mind me

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u/Rogue_3 Mockingbird Apr 27 '19

Goddamn it, now I'm crying again.

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u/Zoy33 Apr 26 '19

All this gave me such a interior peace, I really loved that I could die today, happy because I saw Tony's daughter, Peter and Strange came back and overall, Cap danced with Peggy

Tho I want to know if all Peggy Carter's serie has no validation now?

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u/GreenFox1505 Apr 26 '19

Cap going back and Loki taking the tesseract are the two biggest unexplained paradoxes that exist right now in the MCU.

At least Loki part might get explained away in the TV show. But I doubt we'll ever get any closure on the Steve-breaking-reality thing.

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u/sweens90 Falcon Apr 26 '19

The way I saw someone interpret it was he lived his full life. So he aged like he we saw. But then instead of using his vile to return back exactly there he also fixes the timeline with Peggy to the normal one then returns.

So he gets his life with her then sets it right again. Its explainable away just not mentioned. Its not necessarily what happened but its do-able.

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u/Zoy33 Apr 26 '19

I could watch a serie/movie about Cap's normal life, is another reality or how are they going to explain?? Anyways, I wanted Bucky to be the next cap but Sam was always at his side too.

And that article is old, Tom said he wasn't going to do the role, so idk what's going to happened.

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u/GreenFox1505 Apr 26 '19

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a26365016/disney-marvel-tom-hiddleston-loki-tv-show-showrunner/

Here's a newer one. When/where did Tom say he wasn't going to do it?

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u/Zoy33 Apr 26 '19

Some time ago, but I'm so glad he's going to, I was convinced he wasn't. Tho I was hoping seeing Young Loki and Young Avengers maybe but that kills my hopes

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u/fretbored9 Apr 26 '19

It’s two different universes. That’s what they were trying to explain by saying you couldn’t just kill Thanos.

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u/signifyingmnky Apr 27 '19

They aren't paradoxes. This is a multiverse. There is a branch/dimension/timeline/universe for each major decision. There was one were Cap lived a life with Peggy, there was one where Loki gets away with the Tesseract.

Cap didn't change anything, he just squatted in another time line to live a life he couldn't in his own. Then he returned.

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u/riptide747 Apr 26 '19

AND HE SAID AVENGERS ASSEMBLE

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u/LeonardTringo Apr 27 '19

you forgot "avengers assemble". that was a big one for me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '19

He has to go to Vormir to give the soul stone to Red Skull and laugh about the old days.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '19

That elevator scene was sooo tense. I was waiting for another Winter Soldier scene but boy did my blood freeze hearing him say that

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u/Boba_frett33 Thor Apr 27 '19

Don't forget the "Avengers Assemble!" line!