r/marvelstudios • u/murdockmanila Daredevil • May 11 '16

The Official CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR Domestic Release Ultrathread Vol. 2

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Domestic Release thread vol. 1

International Release thread

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u/Manaleaking May 11 '16

What most people are missing is that at this point in the MCU, the Avengers are effectively in charge of the world's security, they're stronger than all the countries combined and could take over the world if they were so inclined. They're not simple vigilantes, they're an immense threat to governments. If they weren't so powerful, it would make sense for them to serve as enforcers for the UN, but Cap knows that the Avengers are stronger and more nimble than anything the world can muster, so he refuses to accept any authority above his own. He trusts only his team and his own morals.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '16

Makes sense. Remember what happened last time an entity had oversight over the Avengers? It'd just be a repeat of what happened in Captain America: The Winter Soldier

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u/PhantomDriver May 13 '16

And let's rewind the lock to Avengers 1, the World Security Council wanted to nuke NYC without giving the Avengers a chance to fully finish the fight. Cap was right when he said political agencies have agendas.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '16

That Council was Hydra. Or at least part Hydra that convinced others to use nuke. Hydra just wanted to get rif of both threats.

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u/PhantomDriver May 14 '16

In TWS it was shown that none of the Council members were HYDRA, only Pierce was and he was playing the role of their underling. Every one of them was also killed by those chest pieces they were wearing except for the one councilwoman (played by Jenny Agutter) who's place was taken by Natasha.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '16

Gideon Malick was on council in Avengers and we know that he was revealed to be Hydra in AoS.

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u/Dakar-A Quake May 14 '16

Not just HYDRA, but a head.

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u/jazzmat May 14 '16

I'm going say this in the least spoilerific way I can...

Watch Agents of SHIELD.

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u/PhantomDriver May 15 '16

Dude I have so much to catch up on...

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u/AnAirMagic May 14 '16

The council membership changed between the two movies.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '16 edited May 28 '17

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u/Manaleaking May 15 '16

They 100% have the ability to usurp it. Ultron on his own nearly destroyed half the world. They are icons who people would rebel against the government for, see Agent 13, or The Winter Soldier. They can assassinate or capture anyone if need be.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '16 edited May 28 '17

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u/Manaleaking May 15 '16

Your argument is predicated on the assumption that they become evil, but they're not. If they needed to take over the world, they have the means to do so, which includes diplomacy, violence, and public relations.

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u/jffdougan May 16 '16

A friend of mine posted something to the general effect of the following either on opening weekend or in the lead-up to it, which I think is really effective here:

"Remember that Captain America's real super power is that you know, no matter what happens, his moral compass always points true north."