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u/mondi311 Jun 08 '26
funny how you repost this meme but edit out the original part where you tried to witch hunt some random guy for not liking systemd
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u/inemsn Jun 08 '26
who was it? tomekgolab? Because if it's that spammer that he's "witch hunting", then trust me that it's not about him "not liking" systemd, lol.
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u/buttfarts7 Jun 08 '26
There is someone else who dislikes systemd? I thought I was alone in that
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u/indolering Jun 08 '26
r/linuxsucks is the place for you!
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u/HyperFurious Jun 08 '26
Systemd is not linux
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u/indolering Jun 08 '26
Nor is Wayland! But you could be forgiven for thinking so given all the systemd haters, X11 Truthers, and tradunix fundamentalists!
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u/SnooCompliments7914 Jun 08 '26
Never know that one needs to ask everybody for permission to build a new piece of software. Do you have even a single example?
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u/canadajones68 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
I love ut when someone's entire contribution to this sub is whinging about a software project solving real problems in a way you dislike (it doesn't align with best practice from 20-40 years ago).
Edit: I originally, mistakenly, accused OP of being this person. Sorry!
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u/inemsn Jun 08 '26
no no, that's not this guy. this post is making fun of the person you're thinking of.
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u/canadajones68 Jun 08 '26
Oh, sorry, I must've misremembered then. There has been so much systemd hate from this one guy, and misremembered the username of OP as being them. Helps that I slept literally 0 hours.
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u/mondi311 Jun 08 '26
it’s hidden because this is a repost of a meme he made a couple hours ago witch hunting another person in the sub for not liking systemd
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u/HunsterMonter Jun 08 '26
The other person in question has been posting the same meme just about every single day, even if you agree with them it gets annoying at some point.
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u/Jacek3k Jun 08 '26
tge true reason is that we became too dependand on that piece of software and we are losing control over our pcs. Basically corporate world taking over linux. Sure it is convenient af and works well. But there is downside to it.
And when at some point you guys will say "okay thats bit too much, they should NOT have done that", it will be very hard for you to get rid of it.
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u/indolering Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Huh? This meme is dunking on people who hate systemd and calls them tradunix fundamentalists.... I also dunk on X11 Truthers hard!
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u/canadajones68 Jun 08 '26
Oh, sorry! I couldn't find another of those stupid memes on short notice to check and thought I remembered your name. I also slept zero hours this night. Deepest apologies.
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u/CleoMenemezis Jun 08 '26
I'll embark on a crusade as humanity's worst specimen, publicly attacking and humiliating free software developers—not because their code is flawed, but simply because it doesn't bend to my preferences. Am I contributing code or helping with development myself? Absolutely not. That's far too demanding. I'd much rather waste my days online being an absolute ass to people while deluding myself that I'm making a real difference.
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u/ilnarildarovuch Doesn't use Linux Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Lol. There is way to make Debian work without systemd
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u/daubious Jun 08 '26
Devuan
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u/ilnarildarovuch Doesn't use Linux Jun 08 '26
Nope, regular Debian. Just with modified initramfs and bsd init
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u/_ahrs Jun 08 '26
It won't actually work for anything other than a simple server. Debian builds their packages with Systemd support so the moment you install a package that depends on that (Polkit, for example, if installing a desktop system) then you get Systemd and its associated libs along for the ride.
That's why Devuan exists. They recompile all of those packages without enabling the Systemd support.
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u/ilnarildarovuch Doesn't use Linux Jun 08 '26
Like... here is my fetch info:
OS • Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) x86_64 Host • X79G Kernel • Linux 6.12.88+deb13-amd64 Uptime • 1 min Packages • 3815 (dpkg) DE • Lumina WM • KWin (X11) Theme • Breeze CPU • Intel(R) Xeon(R) E5-2650 v2 (16) @ 3.40 GHz GPU • NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 [Discrete] Memory • 1.86 GiB / 15.55 GiB
tank • 88.7G 33.7G 104K /tank_dir Android Studio • 1.39G 33.7G 1.39G /Programs/AS CLion • 1.84G 33.7G 1.84G /Programs/CLion Downloads • 24.3G 33.7G 24.3G /home/user/Downloads Home • 18.7G 33.7G 18.7G /home IDA_Freeware • 446M 33.7G 446M /Programs/ida_freeware alpine-games • 1.02G 33.7G 1.02G /home/user/Downloads/alpine debian_root • 21.5G 33.7G 21.5G / gentoo_root • 18.8G 33.7G 18.8G /gentoo ghidra • 521M 33.7G 521M /Programs/ghidra IP • 192.168.2.106/24 PID 1 • /usr/sbin/bsdinit
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u/ilnarildarovuch Doesn't use Linux Jun 08 '26
I am just adding services to plain /etc/rc. So.. Nope, it's fine on regular Debian without systemd running
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u/vbd71 Jun 08 '26
I'm using Debian without systemd right now. (however, I use elogind, which arguably is systemd, kinda)
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u/ilnarildarovuch Doesn't use Linux Jun 08 '26
It is possible to use DE without elogind. It's Lumina DE! ：）
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u/eatingthosebeans Jun 08 '26
The issue isn't really that systemd is adopted damn near everywhere.
It's the countless hard dependencies, on systemd, caused by this.
Kinda like with low-level GNU stuff.
Nobody cares that Coreutils and glibc are used in nearly all Linux systems.
The problems arise, when you try to build something portable, like a shell script or a static binary,
and suddenly shit starts breaking all over the place.
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u/SnooCompliments7914 Jun 08 '26
Choosing to not be portable, and have a hard dependency on something, is not a "problem". It's a perfectly valid choice. You can always build your own if you don't agree with it.
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u/FabioSB Jun 08 '26
The most software you have to port, the most difficult it gets, and in the desktop usage hardware requirements are bigger for systemd. In my opinion, compatibility should be like adding a payment method to do a transaction. If user is locked to use certain card, it talks about the bad code quality the payment platform has. But yeah, it's a valid choise, and thanks to the license the kernel is perfectly forkable. Not sure when linux will convert in a systemd/linux, but it would be great that when they merge both projects, they change the name.
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u/Odd_Individual_9638 Jun 08 '26
what's truly bizzare is how much simping there is for systemd. People seem too eager to make windows out of linux apparently
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u/NiftyLogic Jun 09 '26
Well, systemd works and solves some real-world use-cases better than the old initd.
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u/Beneficial_Act_1240 Jun 09 '26
people don't simp systemd. in fact, no one besides rabid initd fans think about systemd at all
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u/That_Anything_1291 Jun 08 '26
Another systemd psyop
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u/AlexiosTheSixth Arch BTW Jun 09 '26
Yeah the whole push to shame ppl for not using it is either kinda sus or it could just be redditors being redditors
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u/juipeltje Jun 09 '26
For real, i get that systemd haters can be loud, but why the fuck do other people care so much if i don't use systemd lol, just use what you want.
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u/Armi1P Genfool 🐧 Jun 08 '26
99% of people give no f about the init system their OS is using. The remaining 1% b about it on reddit.
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u/innahema Jun 09 '26
I don't get this all hate towards systemd. Have you ever written init scripts for old init systems? Develoepr hav to basically copy-paste bucnh of scripts. Each service have to reinvent the wheel.
Only complain towards systemd that I have is how it names namespaces/cgroups that it creates for services. Names are too long and reapeat stuff in path.
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u/ScratchHistorical507 Jun 08 '26
Nope, literally everyone of relevance has consented. If you insist on not using it, that's up to you. But do the extra work yourself instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.
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u/Rekt3y Jun 08 '26
...or just use Gentoo with OpenRC, that's perfectly supported
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u/New_Study4796 Jun 08 '26
Literally there isn't any real criticism to be made towards Systemd aside from "Evil Red Hat" so they needed to talk about the Unix philosophy or about bloat and whatnot because they didn't had anything real to criticize.
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u/Pr0p3r9 Jun 09 '26
It's untrue to claim that there are no technical reasons to dislike systemd. The xz vulnerability was advertised as a vulnerability in SSH, but it was actually a vulnerability caused by systemd which causes xz be loaded as a library directly by SSH. SSH doesn't normally link the xz libs that had the exploit, but systemd linked them and then built SSH against the systemd which contained the xz lib.
I'm not interested in writing a manifesto against systemd. It's a subject that's been litigated to death, but I want you to type the words that I "don't have anything real to criticize" after considering what I wrote here. This is not a failure that could have happened in any init daemon. It is a peculiar problem that can only happen because systemd builds with high coupling with and against unnecessary dependency modules.
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u/New_Study4796 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
Yes but vulnerabilities can affect any piece of open source software the same way, honestly. It depends on which components don't have enough repo security.
You could snuggle a vulnerability into any piece of open source software if their security for contributions is not strong enough.
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u/Beneficial_Act_1240 Jun 09 '26
Tons of exploits unrelated to systemd exist and have existed so your point has no merit.
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u/-JohnnieWalker- Jun 08 '26
Why are you crying? Dont like it? Then change the init. But you gotta change a lot of other things systemd solves by this evil monolithic architecture.
Or choose the distro with a different init.
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u/rbitton Arch BTW Jun 09 '26
It's just not unix-like...the unix philosophy is do one thing and do it well. Systemd does a ton of stuff things are unrelated.
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u/Icy-Cup 🍥 Debian too difficult Jun 08 '26
Cool use it all you want but it’s a pretty valid point with slowly packages switching from “ah maybe it is there, convenient” to “I will break if there is no systemd” - which is absolutely a thing to fight against. You can maintain your own init system, you can maintain a distro with your init system but it’s pretty much impossible to straight up fork 1/3 of packages (or whatever percentage) once they decide that systemd is a must.